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  1. Last year was a very bad tour for rabo.........they got a lot of criticism from the dutch press for not winning a stage and that they didn't try to attack the peloton. The guy who did attack and was in the break in 3 tourstages was called.....lotz (but other discussion)!

    Now I read that freire is out of the tour.......they had very high hopes for him winning stages. Oke the list of people not in form are: boogerd (lacks race km's), menchov (was not too good in DL), dekker (wants to be 100% post tour)

    I hope rasmussen can finally get that mountain win he wants bad.......

    Otherwise this will be a very bad tour again for rabo.......with even more criticism of dutch press. And thrust me they were being critical.....listening to mart smeets and maarten ducrot during the tour..........kroon attacks, just no power it's just not good enough.....rabo just don't have it blalalal. After the tour they rated the team........every rider got a 5 except for rasmussen who got a 6.....OUCH!

    They were hard on them!

  2. I thought Menchov is Rabo's leader?

  3. Yes I said that before...........where did you get that someone else was there leader? A 5th place for Menchov (his goal) will be good for the cycling fans maybe......but for a team sponsor NOT. That's why rabobank always went for stages..

    Menchov is behind schedule.......he was not good at dauphine and breukink is not panicking just yet. But the dutch press IS allready. 'Not again a tour were rabo won't get any win'. If they don't it will be the third consecutive year......

    Dead Star said:

    I thought Menchov is Rabo's leader?

  4. MJtje said:

    Yes I said that before...........where did you get that someone else was there leader? A 5th place for Menchov (his goal) will be good for the cycling fans maybe......but for a team sponsor NOT. That's why rabobank always went for stages..

    Menchov is behind schedule.......he was not good at dauphine and breukink is not panicking just yet. But the dutch press IS allready. 'Not again a tour were rabo won't get any win'. If they don't it will be the third consecutive year......

    ah sorry, blame the hot weather lol. must have looked over that.

    but with Menchov it might not all be too late (least i hope not anyway!). I still remember when Dekker got those three stage wins in 2000 and when Kroon(?) won a stage in 2002. the tour needs another rabo victory, or otherwise it'll be yet another boring grand tour!

  5. Agreed........there hope was Freire......but now that he is gone I don't know. I hope rasmussen will get the room of the GC contenders to get a stage. And hope that dekker can do something but his goal is after le tour. And Boogerd is finally again training FOR the tour after 2/3 years trying to come out of the tour 100%.

    Dead Star said:

    ah sorry, blame the hot weather lol. must have looked over that.

    but with Menchov it might not all be too late (least i hope not anyway!). I still remember when Dekker got those three stage wins in 2000 and when Kroon(?) won a stage in 2002. the tour needs another rabo victory, or otherwise it'll be yet another boring grand tour!

  6. I never understood why Boogerd thinks he can train for both the classics and the tour! imagine how many more stages he might've won at the tour if he wasn't trying to train for everything!

    anyway, seems like a breakaway during a transitional stage is their big hope for a win.

  7. Well Boogerd is good for classics and the tour.....but after armstrong arrived and the criticism of the dutch press (which he couldn't deal with) he stopped gunning for GC. A boogerd 100% is a top-10 tour rider (he got 5th, 10, 11th)....but like he said then I get blamed for not winning anything that's why he tries to go for stage wins.

    Hopefully this will be his year..........it's sad so many second places. Somehow it never works for him........and HE NEEDS A SPRINT (understatement of the year😎 )

    Dead Star said:

    I never understood why Boogerd thinks he can train for both the classics and the tour! imagine how many more stages he might've won at the tour if he wasn't trying to train for everything!

    anyway, seems like a breakaway during a transitional stage is their big hope for a win.

  8. MJtje said:


    Hopefully this will be his year..........it's sad so many second places. Somehow it never works for him........and HE NEEDS A SPRINT (understatement of the year😎 )

    lmao. so true 😎

  9. Will Posthuma ride? He can try as he did in Paris-Nice. I think Rasmussen will be active again and Menchov is good enough for top10, but of course they can`t hope for something more.

  10. Here's another vote for Rasmussen breaking out! He should have quit his mountainbike a long time ago, but he is as determined and professional as they come and Rabo is a better team for it.

  11. Oke Boogerd wrote this on his website:

    I'm training hard for the dutch championships and the tour. After missing the dutch championships 2 times I will go back to the race. The course doesn't suite me, but I am obligated to myself and my fans to do the DC again.

    He's now in Italy with his miss holland and child training for the TDF. The preparations are tough, but it's going quite well. I hope some fans are going to the tour. I will try to ride the same way in the tour as I did during Amstel and Liege.

    Finally he's training back again for the tour.......he hardly raced this year so he's a lot fresher. Me thinks he doesn't want to disappoint the press again.

  12. Something else: Thomas Dekker is dutch talent of the year, because he won 2 silver medals during the u23 worlds last year and he won the olympia's tour and won a stage during the criterium and got 2nd overall in the criterium international.

  13. Rabo always strike me as more of a one day/Paris-Nice team.
    Maybe it's the fact that they have Freire/Dekker/Boogard in their ranks and don't have an overall grand tour type prospect in their ranks.
    That's not to do down the likes of Menchov.
    I like DM - he's a great rider.

  14. From: cyclingnews.

    The Rabobank team was the big loser in today's Dutch championship in Rotterdam. Starting as favourites with 17 men, the team was outplayed by Leon van Bon (Davitamon-Lotto), who made a superb attack in the final kilometre as Rabobank tried and failed to lead out Steven de Jongh. Such was his the power of his attack, Van Bon looked back at 500m to go and already knew that he had won. De Jongh took second place ahead of Max van Heeswijk (Discovery Channel).
    Up until then, Rabobank had ridden a good race, but was naturally marked as the strongest team. The orange boys had three riders in the main break: defending champion Erik Dekker, Karsten Kroon, and Maarten Den Bakker were there, along with Van Bon (Davitamon-Lotto), Van Hummel (Eurogifts), Van Schalen (AXA), Pronk (Mrbookmaker), De Haan (Trientalis APAC), and Van Katwijk (Shimano). That forced the other teams to control the peloton, with Quick.Step and Skil Moser doing the chasing.

    The gap hovered at around a minute with 60 km to go, but the cooperation in front wasn't good as everyone was looking at the Rabobank riders to work. Van Bon was so frustrated he started backpedalling, but then, as the break disintegrated, he attacked alone. He was caught by Kroon and Van Hummel, with Tankink coming across from the peloton. But the quartet wasn't allowed much room and with 40 km to go, the bunch came back in dribs and drabs.

    The attacks continued until Boogerd (Rabobank) and Moerenhout (Davitamon-Lotto) jumped clear from a bigger break with some 30 km to go. With two laps to go, they had a slender lead over the peloton, again putting Rabobank and Davitamon in a strong position and forcing the other teams to chase. The pair worked perfectly, but Shimano-Memory Corp had five men on the front of the bunch and had the two leaders in their sights at 20 seconds with one lap to go.

    The bunch got closer and closer on the final lap, but Boogerd and Moerenhout didn't give up, getting some extra help from Maint Berkenbosch (Trientalis APAC). Eventually it came together, and with 5 km to go, Rabobank had to switch tactics to lead out Steven de Jongh. But this is where the wheels fell off the orange bus, as although De Jongh was well placed near the front, the Rabobank train was way too short. After Thomas Dekker did a big turn with 2 km to go, Van Bon took a flyer at 1 km, and no-one reacted. It was a brilliant move from the man who had been in breaks for most of the day, and Van Bon entered the finishing straight with a 50 metre lead that was more than enough to see him cross the line for another well deserved Dutch title. De Jongh's second place can only be described as a disappointment for the team, which did everything right up until about 3 km to go.

    The reaction of van Bon afterwards was typical. The commentator said that even with very few team mates you can still beat THE team: rabobank. Van Bon answered 'that's easy......each year they make it easy' (implying that there teamtactics didn't work and always mess up)

    Boogerd was also [censored]........'Rabobank had with 17 riders by far the most riders of a team and de Jong should have won'.

    Boogerd did show btw very good form by attacking but they were caught in the last lap. Boogerd was also critical over the course which is deadflat😠 Boogerd said: 'after a couple years on this course I think it should be again held on a harder course in Limburg' (where amstel is ridden). I agree too.....this is just boooooooooooooring😎

    Haha it will be a nice evaluation @ the rabobank headquarters!

  15. oh yes, Rabo sucked in Rotterdam 😄. It was pretty strange getting Boogerd to attack so early? Ah well, their loss, seeing that Davitamon now have the Dutch and Belgian champions lol.

  16. I well remember VanBon's arrival in the peloton : he came in to the pros with a great reputation and picked up some good early victories but seemed to lose his way since then.
    Todays result is good for him though.

  17. Oke a update:

    1) Boogerd was critical about the course and so were other riders...........next year the course is back in Limburg (where amstel is ridden)!

    2) Steven de Jongh was [censored] and said in the Trouw: ''It's not acceptable that van Bon can ride away in the last km's like he did. I've proven I was the fastest of the riders on rabobank (he won the sprint easily for 2nd place).
    In such situation I deserve a full rabobank commited to me!''

    De Jongh thinks that the the team bosses have failed very bad (breukink, maassen). Only T. Dekker, Lowik and Boogerd helped de jongh, for the rest no one helped him. 'It's obvious there isn't any thrust in my capacities. I have asked very often for more support from the team. I get always 'no' as a reply, it makes me tired. Now everyone can ride clueless around and everyone can ride for there own.

    According to Trouw de Jongh wants to leave Rabo at the end of the season.

    It seems there is something serious miss in rabobank: LEADERSHIP!

  18. Yesterday the tour team was presented. The management said don't expect much from us............oooh boy a third consecutive tour without win??

    Anyway Rasmussen will go for the polka dot jersey and wants a stage win. Menchov wants to finish in the top 5 (pretty high, considering the DL where he rode bad). Boogerd will help Menchov and will go for a stage win in the last 1.5 week. The rest of the Rabobank needs to attack and try to win......(typical rabobank style)

    Funny critical note of Dekker........in the DL Dekker told Breukink that Menchov may act a bit more as leader. If Menchov wants me (dekker) to ride for him he needs to say: 'dekker work for me' and not say 'dekker could you pleaaaaaaase work for me, thank you'.

    Look youre a born leader or not.........menchov is probably a too nice guy!

    Then again who is a real leader nowadays in the peloton: armstrong!

  19. Any comments now?🙂

  20. MJtje is probably too drunk with joy haha.

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