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  1. Two mandatory 8 hours rest periods, and one 24 hour rest period. Why can't
    RAAM incorporate these rules in their race? Is our compassion for dogs,
    more than for people?
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    The Official Site of the Iditarod
    It's Not a Question of "If," it's a Question of "When"
    Mushers Begin Taking Their 24-Hour Layovers

    by Andy Moderow

    Just when you thought the race statistics were beginning to make sense, the
    mushers send another curve ball your way… Its 24-hour layover time! There
    are three mandatory rests that each team must take during the Iditarod: One
    24-hour layover, to be taken at any checkpoint, one 8 hour layover, taken at
    any checkpoint on the Yukon River, and an 8 hour stop at White Mountain, 77
    miles from Nome. Strategy plays a large role determining where a musher
    chooses to take their layover, and in the past few years, the general school
    of thought has evolved.

    There are many different factors that mushers consider when choosing where
    to take their 24-hour layovers. For top competitors, the main concern is to
    stop at a point where the team needs it the most: This can help mushers
    maintain speed, and provide them with an opportunity to complete one longer
    than normal run (typically 7-9 hours) before stopping. Another concern for
    mushers, particularly in the back of the pack, is which checkpoint offers
    the best hospitality. Takotna and McGrath are known for being very musher
    friendly: Race supporters provide everything from homemade pies to hot
    showers. Cripple, on the other hand, has fewer resources available, because
    it is a ghost town. Hospitality is more likely to influence the decision for
    those in the back of the pack because they aren’t basing their entire
    decision on what helps them competitively: Homemade pie can enter the
    equation! Weather may also influence where mushers stop: If a big storm
    system is moving in, it may be smartest to run on the good trail while it
    lasts, and stop when it begins to snow. Similarly, however, an argument can
    be made to stop sooner rather than later, allowing teams pushing on before
    their layover to pack down the trail, making it faster for the teams
    following them.

    Statistics show that there has been a major shift in thought, but no
    specific consensus, about the ideal layover checkpoint. Iditarod 2001 saw
    three quarters of the top 20 taking their 24-hour layovers in Takotna or a
    checkpoint before. Last year, on the same route, half the field chose to ‘24
    ’ at the checkpoint Iditarod (the halfway point on the southern route) or
    beyond. During the early years of the race, a majority of competitors took
    their layovers in Nikolai, just after crossing the Alaska Range, believing
    that their dogs could most use the break after the difficult trail. Over the
    years, top competitors have decided that taking their 24 later in the race
    is best strategically. It is extremely likely that, this year, more than
    half of the top 20 will choose to take their break at Cripple or beyond.

    So what are the symptoms of a 24-hour layover? Once a musher stops in a
    checkpoint for longer than 10 hours, it is likely that they have stopped for
    their 24. If history is any indication, most mushers will 24 in the
    checkpoints Cripple, Takotna or McGrath. Be particularly wary of the leader
    board as teams stop for their break: As an example, Jeff King appears to be
    '24ing' in Takotna, and has already fallen to 16th place, halfway into his
    break: More teams are bound to pass him as he stops. As one of the first
    teams into Takotna, expect him to catch up with the teams that stop further
    down the trail, being almost neck and neck with them as they complete their
    stops.

    Once everyone completes their break, we’ll have a much clearer picture of
    which team is in the lead, particularly because differences in start times
    will be made up. Because the start in Willow was staggered, with one musher
    leaving every two minutes, the first team to start left nearly 3 hours
    before the last team. To make up for this ‘jumpstart’, 24-hour layover times
    are adjusted, holding teams that left earlier in the day longer than those
    who left later. Thus, the first team out of the chute in Willow will stop
    for nearly 27 hours on their '24' – the second team will stop two minutes
    less than them. The last team to start the race, #84 Paul Gebhardt, will
    stop for exactly 24 hours.

    Once everyone completes their layovers and start traveling down the Yukon
    River, the statistics will become much less convoluted… I promise!

  2. Callistus Valerius said:

    Two mandatory 8 hours rest periods, and one 24 hour rest period. Why can't
    RAAM incorporate these rules in their race? Is our compassion for dogs,
    more than for people?

    It's an individual thing - it depends on the dog and the person.

    When was the last time you saw someone stop by the side of the road and
    pick up a stray (homeless) person, take them home and start calling
    around to find the owner?

    R

  3. RicodJour said:
    Callistus Valerius said:

    Two mandatory 8 hours rest periods, and one 24 hour rest period. Why can't
    RAAM incorporate these rules in their race? Is our compassion for dogs,
    more than for people?

    It's an individual thing - it depends on the dog and the person.

    When was the last time you saw someone stop by the side of the road and
    pick up a stray (homeless) person, take them home and start calling
    around to find the owner?

    You are 100% right.

    It's like the old joke

    What's the difference between a dead George Bush and a dead dog by the
    roadside?

    You can see the skid marks beside the dog

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  4. If only it were that easy...though, I'm surprised Cheney hasn't managed
    to po a cap in his face in 6 years.

    Quoted message said:

    It's like the old joke

    What's the difference between a dead George Bush and a dead dog by the
    roadside?

    You can see the skid marks beside the dog

    --
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  5. "Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    RicodJour said:
    Callistus Valerius said:

    Two mandatory 8 hours rest periods, and one 24 hour rest period. Why
    can't
    RAAM incorporate these rules in their race? Is our compassion for
    dogs,
    more than for people?

    It's an individual thing - it depends on the dog and the person.

    When was the last time you saw someone stop by the side of the road and
    pick up a stray (homeless) person, take them home and start calling
    around to find the owner?

    You are 100% right.

    It's like the old joke

    What's the difference between a dead George Bush and a dead dog by the
    roadside?

    You can see the skid marks beside the dog

    --
    Le Vent à Dos, Davey Crockett - Actively Opposing Thought Crime
    Libérez Ingrid Betancourt, Clara Rojas et les autres
    http://www.ingridbetancourt-idf.com/base/
    Free Ernst Zundel http://www.zundelsite.org/gallery/donations/index.html
    Free David Irving http://www.petitiononline.com/DavidI/petition.html1

    Donald Rumsfeld was being heckled by a French anti-war weenie when he
    suddenly turned and asked the Frenchman:
    "Excuse me. Do you speak German?" The Frenchman replied "No." Rumsfeld
    looked him in the eyes and said "You're welcome."

    -p

  6. "Pippen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    RicodJour said:

    Callistus Valerius wrote:
    > Two mandatory 8 hours rest periods, and one 24 hour rest period. Why
    > can't
    > RAAM incorporate these rules in their race? Is our compassion for
    > dogs,
    > more than for people?

    It's an individual thing - it depends on the dog and the person.

    When was the last time you saw someone stop by the side of the road and
    pick up a stray (homeless) person, take them home and start calling
    around to find the owner?

    You are 100% right.

    It's like the old joke

    What's the difference between a dead George Bush and a dead dog by the
    roadside?

    You can see the skid marks beside the dog

    --
    Le Vent à Dos, Davey Crockett - Actively Opposing Thought Crime
    Libérez Ingrid Betancourt, Clara Rojas et les autres
    http://www.ingridbetancourt-idf.com/base/
    Free Ernst Zundel http://www.zundelsite.org/gallery/donations/index.html
    Free David Irving http://www.petitiononline.com/DavidI/petition.html1

    Donald Rumsfeld was being heckled by a French anti-war weenie when he
    suddenly turned and asked the Frenchman:
    "Excuse me. Do you speak German?" The Frenchman replied "No." Rumsfeld
    looked him in the eyes and said "You're welcome."

    -p

    Yeah, one more I just could not help myself...

    Q. How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
    A. Nobody knows. It's never been tried.

    Plenty more here:
    http://www.i-hate-france.com/jokes.html

    -p

  7. Pippen said:

    Q. How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
    A. Nobody knows. It's never been tried.

    Plenty more here:
    http://www.i-hate-france.com/jokes.html

    911 - Beautiful job - 3 out of 4 on target

    Very little in the way of defences there

    --
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  8. "Pippen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Donald Rumsfeld was being heckled by a French anti-war weenie when he
    suddenly turned and asked the Frenchman:
    "Excuse me. Do you speak German?" The Frenchman replied "No." Rumsfeld
    looked him in the eyes and said "You're welcome."

    My parents just came back from three weeks in Germany. They met up with a
    German man that they had met on a previous trip. One of this guy's passions
    is to explain to other Germans how much better their lives are for having
    lost in WWII and the ensuing freedoms that resulted than how they would have
    have lived had the Nazis prevailed.

  9. Pippen said:

    Yeah, one more I just could not help myself...

    Q. How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
    A. Nobody knows. It's never been tried.

    Plenty more here:
    http://www.i-hate-france.com/jokes.html

    See Yankee run

    Saigon, 1975

    Chosin, 1950

    See Yankee win

    Grenada, 1983 [Population 10 men, 3 dogs, 1 goat]

    --
    Le Vent à Dos, Davey Crockett - Actively Opposing Thought Crime
    Libérez Ingrid Betancourt, Clara Rojas et les autres
    http://www.ingridbetancourt-idf.com/base/
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  10. Pippen said:

    Donald Rumsfeld was being heckled by a French anti-war weenie when he
    suddenly turned and asked the Frenchman:
    "Excuse me. Do you speak German?" The Frenchman replied "No." Rumsfeld
    looked him in the eyes and said "You're welcome."

    Funny, I thought he said "Lafayette, we are here!"

  11. Pippen said:

    Donald Rumsfeld was being heckled by a French anti-war weenie when he
    suddenly turned and asked the Frenchman:
    "Excuse me. Do you speak German?" The Frenchman replied "No." Rumsfeld
    looked him in the eyes and said "You're welcome."

    For accuracy, this last should be "Your welcome."

    Your welcome,
    Stu

  12. Pippen said:


    Donald Rumsfeld was being heckled by a French anti-war weenie when he
    suddenly turned and asked the Frenchman:
    "Excuse me. Do you speak German?" The Frenchman replied "No." Rumsfeld
    looked him in the eyes and said "You're welcome."

    -p

    Maybe you could help me. I'm looking here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld

    ....and failed to see reference to Rummsfeld's service on the Western Front.
    I'm sure it's just an oversight.

    Steve

  13. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Pippen said:

    Donald Rumsfeld was being heckled by a French anti-war weenie when he
    suddenly turned and asked the Frenchman:
    "Excuse me. Do you speak German?" The Frenchman replied "No." Rumsfeld
    looked him in the eyes and said "You're welcome."

    For accuracy, this last should be "Your welcome."

    Your welcome,

    What welcome? French don't welcome US tourists. They welcome US $.
    -----------
    Alex

  14. "Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Pippen said:

    Yeah, one more I just could not help myself...

    Q. How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
    A. Nobody knows. It's never been tried.

    Plenty more here:
    http://www.i-hate-france.com/jokes.html

    See Yankee run

    Saigon, 1975

    Chosin, 1950

    See Yankee win

    Grenada, 1983 [Population 10 men, 3 dogs, 1 goat]

    --
    Le Vent à Dos, Davey Crockett - Actively Opposing Thought Crime
    Libérez Ingrid Betancourt, Clara Rojas et les autres
    http://www.ingridbetancourt-idf.com/base/
    Free Ernst Zundel http://www.zundelsite.org/gallery/donations/index.html
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    Davey,

    It seems like you are getting upset... I assumed since you started going off
    topic with political humor it was OK for me to do the same??? You have to
    admit some of those jokes were very funny...

    -p

  15. "Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Pippen said:

    Yeah, one more I just could not help myself...

    Q. How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
    A. Nobody knows. It's never been tried.

    Plenty more here:
    http://www.i-hate-france.com/jokes.html

    See Yankee run

    Saigon, 1975

    Chosin, 1950

    See Yankee win

    Grenada, 1983 [Population 10 men, 3 dogs, 1 goat]

    --
    Le Vent à Dos, Davey Crockett - Actively Opposing Thought Crime
    Libérez Ingrid Betancourt, Clara Rojas et les autres
    http://www.ingridbetancourt-idf.com/base/
    Free Ernst Zundel http://www.zundelsite.org/gallery/donations/index.html
    Free David Irving http://www.petitiononline.com/DavidI/petition.html

    Almost forgot... since we are now talking about history...

    http://www.i-hate-france.com/militaryhistory.html

    -p

  16. Pippen said:


    "Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Pippen said:

    Yeah, one more I just could not help myself...

    Q. How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
    A. Nobody knows. It's never been tried.

    Plenty more here:
    http://www.i-hate-france.com/jokes.html

    See Yankee run

    Saigon, 1975

    Chosin, 1950

    See Yankee win

    Grenada, 1983 [Population 10 men, 3 dogs, 1 goat]

    --
    Le Vent à Dos, Davey Crockett - Actively Opposing Thought Crime
    Libérez Ingrid Betancourt, Clara Rojas et les autres
    http://www.ingridbetancourt-idf.com/base/
    Free Ernst Zundel http://www.zundelsite.org/gallery/donations/index.html
    Free David Irving http://www.petitiononline.com/DavidI/petition.html

    Almost forgot... since we are now talking about history...

    http://www.i-hate-france.com/militaryhistory.html

    -p

    What would Rummy have said if the Frenchman had asked him when was the last
    time he took an oath of allegiance to the Queen?

    --
    Bill Asher

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