Quote of the Tour

"Frank Drackman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In my opinion, the RBR quote of the tour goes to our own Bill C. On
Tuesday July 18, 2006 Bill was right on target with the following quote:

"Landis may win but it sure doesn't seem like he's going to get much
respect from Hinault and other legends who had a suitcase full of
panache."

Any other nominees?

Sorry to respond to my own post but I remembered another nominee. How about
Cowpunk with this prediction on June 30th?

"1. A sprinter will win the Tour GC

2. Less than 50% of starters will finish the race.

3. Will be one of the slowest avg. speeds in the past 10 years."

With 100 percent of the precincts reporting the facts are:

1. Best placed sprinter - Inaki Isasi in 71st place at 2:32:36 back on GC

2. Number of Starters 176 - Number of Finishers 139 - 78.97%

3. Average speed - 40. 784 KM/hour - Third fastest in tour history, and also
third fastest in last decade.

Frank Drackman said:

In my opinion, the RBR quote of the tour goes to our own Bill C. On Tuesday
July 18, 2006 Bill was right on target with the following quote:

"Landis may win but it sure doesn't seem like he's going to get much
respect from Hinault and other legends who had a suitcase full of
panache."

Any other nominees?

Yep, and at the time, Hinault especially was ripping him for timid,
defensive riding. It's amazing what desperation can do for you. This
idea that if you have a 2 minute lead all you have to do is mark
everyone else is moronic. It worked for Lance because he always knew he
could take a big chunk out of Ullrich in a mountain stage, and match
him in the TT, and he could TT well enough to distance the climbers.
That strategy leaves you NO room for error as Landis found out. Lance
was lucky as hell to not have any major incidents, other than one
similar smaller bonk to have to recover from. If you Leave your
opponents close and in the game you will eventually lose.
That was Hinaults point, and mine.
Bill C

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Frank Drackman said:

In my opinion, the RBR quote of the tour goes to our own Bill C. On
Tuesday
July 18, 2006 Bill was right on target with the following quote:

"Landis may win but it sure doesn't seem like he's going to get much
respect from Hinault and other legends who had a suitcase full of
panache."

Any other nominees?

Yep, and at the time, Hinault especially was ripping him for timid,
defensive riding. It's amazing what desperation can do for you. This
idea that if you have a 2 minute lead all you have to do is mark
everyone else is moronic. It worked for Lance because he always knew he
could take a big chunk out of Ullrich in a mountain stage, and match
him in the TT, and he could TT well enough to distance the climbers.
That strategy leaves you NO room for error as Landis found out. Lance
was lucky as hell to not have any major incidents, other than one
similar smaller bonk to have to recover from. If you Leave your
opponents close and in the game you will eventually lose.
That was Hinaults point, and mine.
Bill C

"That strategy leaves you NO room for error as Landis found out." I think
that you have it a bit backward. It left room for plenty of error... a lot
more than 8 minutes and 8 seconds of error.

Hindsight is 20/20. Landis was asked about the criticism he got after
he lost the jersey the second time and said he probably would've said
the same things about someone else.

JT

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"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hindsight is 20/20. Landis was asked about the criticism he got after
he lost the jersey the second time and said he probably would've said
the same things about someone else.

Of course you are right.

I should have done a better job of framing my thoughts when I started the
thread. I basically believe that the when you look at past experiences to
predict the future you can get fooled into ridged way of looking at things
and the more knowledge of a particular subject the more closed minded you
become. The exchange between Al Trautwig and Phil Liggett during the OLN
pre-race show before Stage 17 where Al listed a bunch of unbelievable
comebacks in sports and asked Phil if there was any chance of Floyd of
breaking away and gaining enough time back to put him in contention for GC
where Phil responded with "No" illustrates this. Phil then went on to give
all of the reasons why it couldn't happen. Then it happened...

It got me to thinking that Phil knows a lot more about cycling than I do but
that you could make a feature length blooper tape of the predictions that he
has blown over the years. I think that the reason that he is frequently
wrong is that he has a huge database of past races stored in his head and,
like most people, tries to find the best historical match to predict the
results for the current situation. If he didn't have the huge volume of
knowledge of cycling he would be more willing to look at alternative
predictions. A good example of this was the predictions of the OLN
commentators before the prologue. Al Trautwig, the cycling newbie, picked a
sprinter while everyone else picked someone who has won a prologue in the
past. Al was right and the experts wrong.

This got me thinking about statements on RBR. I remembered two posts that I
thought were completely wrong at the time they were posted and wondered if
anyone else had other examples.

I don't really believe this whole Landis victory thing. I think it
was faked, like the moon landings. A major GC threat going basically
solo for three hours to recoup 5+ minutes. No way. Faked for sure.

JT

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

I don't really believe this whole Landis victory thing. I think it
was faked, like the moon landings. A major GC threat going basically
solo for three hours to recoup 5+ minutes. No way. Faked for sure.

So who's behind this conspiracy ?

"Donald Munro" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

I don't really believe this whole Landis victory thing. I think it
was faked, like the moon landings. A major GC threat going basically
solo for three hours to recoup 5+ minutes. No way. Faked for sure.

So who's behind this conspiracy ?

Mennonites

Frank Drackman said:

become. The exchange between Al Trautwig and Phil Liggett during the OLN
pre-race show before Stage 17 where Al listed a bunch of unbelievable
comebacks in sports and asked Phil if there was any chance of Floyd of
breaking away and gaining enough time back to put him in contention for GC
where Phil responded with "No" illustrates this. Phil then went on to give
all of the reasons why it couldn't happen. Then it happened...

That's why I candyassed and said "If it does happen, it'll be the most
amazing stage I've ever seen."

Donald Munro said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

I don't really believe this whole Landis victory thing. I think it
was faked, like the moon landings. A major GC threat going basically
solo for three hours to recoup 5+ minutes. No way. Faked for sure.

So who's behind this conspiracy ?

I don't know yet, but it goes deep. Very deep.

JT

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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:44:35 +0200, Donald Munro <[email hidden]>

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

I don't really believe this whole Landis victory thing. I think it
was faked, like the moon landings. A major GC threat going basically
solo for three hours to recoup 5+ minutes. No way. Faked for sure.

So who's behind this conspiracy ?

Ya know he rooms with Dave Zabriskie, so I'm thinking it's this Mennonite /
Mormon Mafia thing. They're like that you know.

Ron