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  1. When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*

    "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"

    Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
    overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
    of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
    sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?

    ===========
    * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
    every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
    Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
    --
    Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

  2. Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

    When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*

    "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"

    Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
    overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
    of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
    sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?

    ===========
    * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
    every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
    Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
    --
    Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

    I think (subject to correction by others) that it is a standard road
    stem with a 26.0 clamp, a 130mm reach and a 145 mm quill extension --
    to be used in a 1" steerer. In other words, its a 130mm stem for us
    old timers. I have boxes of these things in the basement, although
    most of them are Cinelli 26.4 stems. If you need one of those, let me
    know. I will sell it to you at an inflated price. -- Jay Beattie.

  3. Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

    When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*

    "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"

    Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
    overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
    of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
    sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?

    ===========
    * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
    every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
    Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
    --
    Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

    Dear Mike,

    A) Quill angle varies:

    http://i32.tinypic.com/2d8qgck.jpg

    B) "Thusly" is a shy adverbial beast, perhapsly because it knows that
    "thereforely" is lurking out there and hoping for an excuse. But
    maybely it's ashamed of its needless tail-ly.

    :-)

    Cheers,

    Carlly Fogelly

  4. On 3/27/2008 6:30 PM said:
    Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

    When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*

    "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"

    Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
    overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
    of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
    sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?

    ===========
    * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
    every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
    Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
    --
    Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

    Dear Mike,

    A) Quill angle varies:

    http://i32.tinypic.com/2d8qgck.jpg

    B) "Thusly" is a shy adverbial beast, perhapsly because it knows that
    "thereforely" is lurking out there and hoping for an excuse. But
    maybely it's ashamed of its needless tail-ly.

    Take it up with Peen.

    --
    Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

  5. On 3/27/2008 6:15 PM Jay Beattie said:
    Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

    When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*

    "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"

    Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
    overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
    of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
    sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?

    ===========
    * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
    every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
    Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
    --
    Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

    I think (subject to correction by others) that it is a standard road
    stem with a 26.0 clamp, a 130mm reach and a 145 mm quill extension --
    to be used in a 1" steerer. In other words, its a 130mm stem for us
    old timers. I have boxes of these things in the basement, although
    most of them are Cinelli 26.4 stems. If you need one of those, let me
    know. I will sell it to you at an inflated price. -- Jay Beattie.

    Such an offer. If one knows the quill extension (in this case, 145mm) is
    it possible to determine rise? (I think that's the correct term -- how
    much above the top of the head tube does the stem extend.) Other than
    shoving it into the steerer tube and breaking out the old ruler -- I don't
    have the frame yet, but I know the stock stem will put the handlebars too
    low and too far out front. These days I like 'em high and closer. So I
    need to order a stem by the numbers.

    --
    Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

  6. Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:
    On 3/27/2008 6:15 PM Jay Beattie said:
    Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

    When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
    overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
    of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
    sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ===========
    * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
    every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
    Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
    --
    Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

    Quoted message said:

    I think (subject to correction by others) that it is a standard road
    stem with a 26.0 clamp, a 130mm reach and a 145 mm quill extension --
    to be used in a 1" steerer.  In other words, its a 130mm stem for us
    old timers.  I have boxes of these things in the basement, although
    most of them are Cinelli 26.4 stems.  If you need one of those, let me
    know.  I will sell it to you at an inflated price. -- Jay Beattie.

    Such an offer. If one knows the quill extension (in this case, 145mm) is
    it possible to determine rise? (I think that's the correct term -- how
    much above the top of the head tube does the stem extend.) Other than
    shoving it into the steerer tube and breaking out the old ruler -- I don't
    have the frame yet, but I know the stock stem will put the handlebars too
    low and too far out front. These days I like 'em high and closer. So I
    need to order a stem by the numbers.

    All you can do is measure from the top of the stem to the minimum
    insertion line. The up-angle of the stem will not give you any rise.
    -- Jay Beattie.

  7. On 3/28/2008 7:22 AM Jay Beattie said:
    Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:
    On 3/27/2008 6:15 PM Jay Beattie said:

    On Mar 27, 4:30 pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
    <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*
    > "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"
    > Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
    > overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
    > of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
    > sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?
    > ===========
    > * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
    > every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
    > Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
    > --
    > Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
    I think (subject to correction by others) that it is a standard road
    stem with a 26.0 clamp, a 130mm reach and a 145 mm quill extension --
    to be used in a 1" steerer. In other words, its a 130mm stem for us
    old timers. I have boxes of these things in the basement, although
    most of them are Cinelli 26.4 stems. If you need one of those, let me
    know. I will sell it to you at an inflated price. -- Jay Beattie.


    Such an offer. If one knows the quill extension (in this case, 145mm) is
    it possible to determine rise? (I think that's the correct term -- how
    much above the top of the head tube does the stem extend.) Other than
    shoving it into the steerer tube and breaking out the old ruler -- I don't
    have the frame yet, but I know the stock stem will put the handlebars too
    low and too far out front. These days I like 'em high and closer. So I
    need to order a stem by the numbers.

    All you can do is measure from the top of the stem to the minimum
    insertion line. The up-angle of the stem will not give you any rise.
    -- Jay Beattie.

    Got it -- you need the thing in your hands unless all stems have about the
    same distance below the minimum insertion line (this is taking me back to
    my bikes of the 80s).

    --
    Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

  8. Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

    Such an offer. If one knows the quill extension (in this case, 145mm) is
    it possible to determine rise? (I think that's the correct term -- how
    much above the top of the head tube does the stem extend.) Other than
    shoving it into the steerer tube and breaking out the old ruler -- I
    don't have the frame yet, but I know the stock stem will put the
    handlebars too low and too far out front. These days I like 'em high and
    closer. So I need to order a stem by the numbers.

    There are still adjustable quill stems available.

    "http://store.airbomb.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=SM4073"

    As the angle goes down to zero, the height increases as well.

    I especially like the adjustable quill stems for kid's bikes since as
    they grow you want to adjust the height and reach. It's really a pain
    with threadless headsets, though I saw three adjustable height
    threadless stems at the Taipei bicycles show. Buy them at any bicycle
    shop in Europe or Asia. Very nice.

  9. On 3/28/2008 8:32 AM SMS said:
    Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

    Such an offer. If one knows the quill extension (in this case, 145mm) is
    it possible to determine rise? (I think that's the correct term -- how
    much above the top of the head tube does the stem extend.) Other than
    shoving it into the steerer tube and breaking out the old ruler -- I
    don't have the frame yet, but I know the stock stem will put the
    handlebars too low and too far out front. These days I like 'em high and
    closer. So I need to order a stem by the numbers.

    There are still adjustable quill stems available.

    "http://store.airbomb.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=SM4073"

    As the angle goes down to zero, the height increases as well.

    Thanks, SMS. That's one way I could go, fer shure! Simple and easy.

    More complicated: that same shop also sells a "Steerer Adaptor 1 quill to
    1-1/8 Thdl" (http://store.airbomb.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=SM1998) which could
    let me use the Delta stemless riser that I am using on my 1-1/8''
    threadless bikes and which works just peach for me.
    (http://www.performancebike.com/shop/Profile.cfm?SKU=12679&item=50-1188&slitrk=search&slisearch=true)

    Seems like either way would work.

    --
    Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

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