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  1. I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup because it was
    weird to me how someone knew where I lived? but my friend who told me
    about this googlegroup in the first place said that was normal, that
    there was some way for people to do that on the internet. what states
    are you people from? I dont know how to look it up. he also said
    almost everyone on here was nice, even if they do some teasing. but
    he did say there is one person on here i should avoid that no one
    likes.

    I'm sorry some people haven't liked my questions. I am really going
    to try better. my question now is, those links that gmbt gave me were
    really great and I read a lot about womens races. Thanks I want to
    know more about the world cups ad the toona tour. I hope you won't
    laugh but I want to enter them someday, how do I do that?
    here is another thing, I read this article my friend sent to me that
    says biking can be dangerous, what do you think.

    http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/will-bicycling-to-work-get-you-killed/

    LYNDA

  2. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup because it was
    weird to me how someone knew where I lived? but my friend who told me
    about this googlegroup in the first place said that was normal, that
    there was some way for people to do that on the internet. what states
    are you people from? I dont know how to look it up. he also said
    almost everyone on here was nice, even if they do some teasing. but
    he did say there is one person on here i should avoid that no one
    likes.

    I'm sorry some people haven't liked my questions. I am really going
    to try better. my question now is, those links that gmbt gave me were
    really great and I read a lot about womens races. Thanks I want to
    know more about the world cups ad the toona tour. I hope you won't
    laugh but I want to enter them someday, how do I do that?
    here is another thing, I read this article my friend sent to me that
    says biking can be dangerous, what do you think.


    http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/will-bicycling-to-work-get-
    you-killed/

    Quoted message said:


    LYNDA

    Troll or not,

    Sadly, a very timely article. Just yesterday I read in the local paper a guy
    here got killed in this small town riding his bike to work. He rides his
    bike everyday to work at Happy Burger. Well, when he didn't show up to work,
    the boss Mr. Fritz called his family which said he did in fact leave for
    work. I have many a time been in there for breakfast on his shift. Right
    away the Sheriff started a search of roads as did his family and Mr. Fritz.
    Mr Fritz started backtracking his daily route. One part of the road which I
    know quite well having going through the steep gravel bed with my mountain
    bike is a bit tricky. Well, Mr Fritz found his body off to side down a
    ravine in a heavily wooden area. He saw the bike first and then the guy was
    in the thick brush. It appeared he had a severe head injury. It's not clear
    if he was wearing a helmet. I just know that section is really steep, maybe
    28 percent or 30, and you need to be careful going down to the creek bed. I
    always go slow, it's pretty dicey. It was foggy and poor visibility, so they
    think he lost site of the road and went off into the ravine before he knew
    what was happening. Fog will do that, I don't like riding in the fog. It's
    very rare, in fact I can't ever remember a local being killed here on a
    bike, but perhaps tourists biking to Yosemite. I read more about rock
    climbers getting killed climbing El. Cap. or drowning in the Merced river.

    GBMT

  3. Quoted message said:

    I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup because it was
    weird to me how someone knew where I lived? but my friend who told me
    about this googlegroup in the first place said that was normal, that
    there was some way for people to do that on the internet. what states
    are you people from? I dont know how to look it up. he also said
    almost everyone on here was nice, even if they do some teasing. but
    he did say there is one person on here i should avoid that no one
    likes.

    I'm sorry some people haven't liked my questions. I am really going
    to try better. my question now is, those links that gmbt gave me were
    really great and I read a lot about womens races. Thanks I want to
    know more about the world cups ad the toona tour. I hope you won't
    laugh but I want to enter them someday, how do I do that?
    here is another thing, I read this article my friend sent to me that
    says biking can be dangerous, what do you think.

    http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/will-bicycling-to-work
    -get-you-killed/

    LYNDA

    They didn't really name a series of women's bike races the Toona Tour did
    they?

    --
    Bill Asher

  4. "GoneBeforeMyTime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sadly, a very timely article. Just yesterday I read in the local paper a


    guy

    Quoted message said:

    here got killed in this small town riding his bike to work.

    Merced online paper ran the story...

    Thursday, Oct. 18, 2007
    Man dies in 'unfortunate' bike accident

    Police say no cars or foul play appear to have been involved.

    By VICTOR A. PATTON
    mercedsun-star.com

    MARIPOSA -- A terrible fall during a routine biking trek accidentally ended
    the life of a man described as a friendly, outgoing person who majored in
    music at Merced College.

    Mariposa County Sheriff's investigators believe Norman Tablett, 46, died on
    Saturday while riding his bike from home on the 4300 block of Bridgeport
    Drive to his job at Happy Burger Diner at Highway 140 and 12th Street,
    according to Mariposa County Assistant Coroner Gail Sgambellone.

    Sgambellone said investigators concluded that Tablett, whose body was found
    about four miles from his home near Mormon Bar Crossing and Old Highway, had
    fallen and hit his head after his bike left the roadway. She said
    investigators did not discover any signs of foul play or indications that
    his bike could have been hit by a car. Investigators don't have any
    witnesses to the incident, which they have deemed a tragic accident.

    "He went off the road and over an embankment -- and the embankment was a
    rocky, shrubbed area. So apparently when he went over the side he fell and
    hit his head on rocks which caused a very obvious head injury. And that's
    what the cause of death was," Sgambellone said. "This was just an isolated
    incident. We don't have a history of this happening in this particular area.
    It's just an unfortunate accident."

    Sgambellone said investigators are not aware of any pre-existing medical
    conditions that would have caused Tablett to have the accident.

    Tablett was last seen alive around 4 a.m. on Oct. 13, leaving his home to
    ride 11 miles to his job, Sgambellone said. His father, Lester, became
    worried after hearing that his son had never arrived at work and notified
    the sheriff's department around 8:30 a.m. The owners of the Happy Burger
    Diner, Greg Fritz and his wife, Dianne (who is also a Mariposa County
    Supervisor), discovered Tablett's body around 3:30 p.m. while searching for
    him that day.

    Greg Fritz said Tablett was an extremely dependable person who never missed
    a day of work, which is one reason why it was odd when he did not arrive for
    his shift on Oct. 13. "He was a friendly guy. His shift started at 6:30 a.m.
    and he would always be here at 5:30 a.m. He'd come in, shoot the breeze and
    drink coffee before he started his shift," Fritz said. "That's why we knew
    there was something wrong."

    Fritz said Tablett had ridden his bike to and from work for several years --
    even when he held previous jobs at a doughnut shop and another local
    restaurant. His wife spotted Talbett's bike in the brush and called his
    name. "It was very thick brush. Brambles and berry thorns. I could tell very
    easily that he had been gone since the morning," he said. "Then we made the
    911 call."

    Friends and family members described Tablett as a quiet, kind person who had
    developed a passionate love for jazz music in recent years. "He was always
    cheerful and he never had a bad word to say about people," said his brother
    Dave, 40. "He was always willing to jump in and help when help was needed."

    A 1979 graduate of Richard Gahr High School in Cerritos, Tablett served
    honorably in the California Army National Guard from 1979 until 1990, where
    he worked as a combat telecom center operator and audio visual equipment
    repairman, according to his brother Thomas. During his 11 years of service
    he was awarded the California Commendation Medal, the Commanding General's
    Meritorious Unit Citation and Army Service Ribbon.

    "He was quiet, but he was very intellectual," said Jessica Tablett, his
    sister-in-law. "He was a beautiful person, and he is going to be very missed
    by a lot of us."

    Merced College music professor John Albano, who had Tablett as a student in
    a jazz history class this semester, remembered him as a deeply involved and
    enthusiastic student. "He was an 'A' student, and his comments were always
    insightful in class," Albano said. "I could tell that he enjoyed being there
    and he enjoyed learning."

    Tablett was the eldest of five brothers and the son of Lester Tablett, 72,
    and his late wife Marilyn Tablett. He is survived by his brothers Michael,
    45, of Oakdale; James, 42, of Fresno; David, 40, of Mariposa and Thoma, 37,
    of Fresno. He was never married and had no children.

    Services for Tablett are scheduled for Oct. 27 at Mariposa Funeral Home,
    located at 4981 9th St. A viewing is scheduled for at 9 a.m., while the
    funeral is scheduled for 11 a.m.

  5. In article
    <[email hidden]>
    ,

    Quoted message said:

    I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup

    Not a google group.

    --
    Michael Press

  6. Firstly - if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. Whenever
    there's an anonymous group like this, there will be people who try to take
    advantage of the fact that they can't be identified to say the most bizarre
    things.

    Secondly, this group as bad as it gets is MILES better than most of the
    other discussion groups on Usenet.

    And Thirdly - no one was complaining about questions - it was your blind
    assertions that women were better riders because they had to work harder to
    go slower. I'm one person among many here who have supported women's racing
    and the fact is that women are not nearly as competitive minded as well as
    the fact that physically they simply aren't a comparison for the top flight
    men. That's not to say that they can't beat MOST men, but then so can I and
    I don't pretend to be any sort of athlete.

    If you want to start racing you should firstly find a local women's racing
    team. I don't know nor much care where you live but most areas have some
    women's teams within not to difficult driving distance.

    Racing is quite insulting at first. You're dropped so fast and so thoroughly
    that it will cause most people to simply stop racing after the first race or
    two. If you're on a team you'll get moral support and generally good advice.
    Women's teams usually are very supportive even of women who will never be
    good racers. Men's team are OFTEN supportive of women but not if they don't
    show promise pretty quickly.

    So you should find a local team to train with and get pointers and you
    should get ready to really feel like a [censored] in the racing for a couple of
    years. I think that the first year I never finished a race on the same lap
    as the group except the last race of the season. The second year I rode at
    the back which is the worst place to be in a race since they're yo-yoing
    back and forth and working far harder than those near the front. The third
    year and thereafter I was able to ride in the front group of my class (Old,
    slow and in the way class) and eventually I felt like a real racer when I
    discovered I was riding up what used to be a horrendous hill in my big chain
    ring and not feeling like I was working.

    It took about five years for that sort of riding strength to work its way
    out of my system and I'm a slow rider again but I now have the confidence to
    know that I can do any ride I set my mind on. At the end of a 10 day tour
    I'm generally riding stronger than at the beginning now while everyone else
    is slowing up. On climbs I am no longer dreading what's around the next turn
    even if it's more climbing.

    I can recommend racing to anyone that has the stamina to put up with the
    amount of training necessary to move up in the ranks. Racing bicycles is
    simply too hard for someone to play weekend warrior though - you have to
    ride and train a whole lot to become good. You have to devote a good part of
    your attention to it and not treat it as a lark unless you are unusually
    gifted as some I've ridden with.

    Welcome to cycling and long may you enjoy it.

    Tom

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup because it was
    weird to me how someone knew where I lived? but my friend who told me
    about this googlegroup in the first place said that was normal, that
    there was some way for people to do that on the internet. what states
    are you people from? I dont know how to look it up. he also said
    almost everyone on here was nice, even if they do some teasing. but
    he did say there is one person on here i should avoid that no one
    likes.

    I'm sorry some people haven't liked my questions. I am really going
    to try better. my question now is, those links that gmbt gave me were
    really great and I read a lot about womens races. Thanks I want to
    know more about the world cups ad the toona tour. I hope you won't
    laugh but I want to enter them someday, how do I do that?
    here is another thing, I read this article my friend sent to me that
    says biking can be dangerous, what do you think.

    http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/will-bicycling-to-work-get-you-killed/

    LYNDA

  7. in message <[email hidden]>, GoneBeforeMyTime

    (') said:


    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I read this article my friend sent to me that
    says biking can be dangerous, what do you think.



    http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/will-bicycling-to-work-get-

    Quoted message said:

    you-killed/

    Quoted message said:


    LYNDA

    Troll or not,

    Sadly, a very timely article. Just yesterday I read in the local paper a
    guy here got killed in this small town riding his bike to work. He rides
    his bike everyday to work at Happy Burger. Well, when he didn't show up
    to work, the boss Mr. Fritz called his family which said he did in fact
    leave for work.

    Look, let's be serious about this. Accidents do happen, and they're very
    sad when they do. But cycling is about 50% safer, per kilometer travelled,
    than walking (source: Department for Transport); and there is on average
    one fatal accident in the UK for every twenty one and a half million miles
    cycled (source: Office for National Statistics). We're not talking about a
    dangerous activity here. We're talking about a very, very safe activity.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Error 1109: There is no message for this error

  8. Simon Brooke said:

    Look, let's be serious about this. Accidents do happen, and they're
    very sad when they do. But cycling is about 50% safer, per kilometer
    travelled, than walking (source: Department for Transport); and there
    is on average one fatal accident in the UK for every twenty one and a
    half million miles cycled (source: Office for National Statistics).
    We're not talking about a dangerous activity here. We're talking about
    a very, very safe activity.

    <snort> Maybe if you ride like a girl.

    --
    Bill Asher

  9. "William Asher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    Look, let's be serious about this. Accidents do happen, and they're
    very sad when they do. But cycling is about 50% safer, per kilometer
    travelled, than walking (source: Department for Transport); and there
    is on average one fatal accident in the UK for every twenty one and a
    half million miles cycled (source: Office for National Statistics).
    We're not talking about a dangerous activity here. We're talking about
    a very, very safe activity.

    <snort> Maybe if you ride like a girl.

    The best riders NEVER fall down. I suppose that neatly classifies you Asher.

  10. Tom Kunich wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    The best riders NEVER fall down. I suppose that neatly classifies you
    Asher.

    Why is it that when I am out trolling for bluefin all I can catch are
    goddamned cunners?

    http://www.thejump.net/id/cunner.htm

    --
    Bill Asher

  11. * [email hidden] a écrit profondement:
    |
    | I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup because it was
    | weird to me how someone knew where I lived?

    * [email hidden] a écrit profondement:
    |
    | I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup because it was
    | weird to me how someone knew where I lived?

    Internet postings can be traced. Some even to your home address. My
    home address and telephone numbers are readily available to anyone
    wanting to spend a few minutes since I own the "azurservers" domain or
    "station" if you will although users who log into an ISP owned domain,
    as you seem to do can only be traced as far as the registered address
    for the domain of the Internet Service Provider they used to log onto
    the Net.

    OK, first, you call this group a "Google" group, but technically it is
    not. I know you probably access it through a browser whilst logged
    onto the Google WebSite, but strictly speaking, you are using a part
    of the modern internet which is more properly called "UseNet" which
    consists of almost limitless "newsgroups" to which anyone -
    supposing they have access to a computer - can post and also read
    whatever posts other people on the same newsgroup posted.

    The fact that Google and Yahoo an others repackage all or some of the
    newsgroups and make them readily available to you and others who might
    otherwise not have known of their existance does _not_ make them Google
    Groups or Yahoo Groups or any other Proprietory Group. They are and
    probably will remain collectively the "UseNet" with each individual
    group being callled a "NewsGroup"

    In the beginning the current Internet started out as the ARPAnet which
    hooked up a small group of university computers and I believe it was
    Charlie Cline who attempted to make the first connection.

    There is a certain Political Hack, a notorious liar called Al Gore who
    professes godlike knowledge on many things, who claims to have
    "invented" the internet when he was in congress. However, like most of
    his claims, this is false. The Internet was going long before the
    Lemmings elected that Judas Goat to represent them.

    There are, or were many other perts to the internet, some no longer
    used with advancing technology

    Email, FTP, Telnet, Listserv, gopher, spyder, Archie, Veronica,
    Jughead and finger are just a few protocols that served a perticular
    purpose at various times and you could search if you are interested in
    learning some history.

    I still often run a finger server and permanently have a listserver
    running at http://azurservers.com/cgi-bin/wa to service a few lists
    that I run and that anyone else would like to start up.

    --
    Davey Crockett
    -
    "It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate,
    tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds
    of men." --Samuel Adams

  12. Davey Crockett said:

    * [email hidden] a écrit profondement:
    |
    | I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup because it was
    | weird to me how someone knew where I lived?

    * [email hidden] a écrit profondement:
    |
    | I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup because it was
    | weird to me how someone knew where I lived?

    Internet postings can be traced. Some even to your home address. My
    home address and telephone numbers are readily available to anyone
    wanting to spend a few minutes since I own the "azurservers" domain or
    "station" if you will although users who log into an ISP owned domain,
    as you seem to do can only be traced as far as the registered address
    for the domain of the Internet Service Provider they used to log onto
    the Net.

    OK, first, you call this group a "Google" group, but technically it is
    not. I know you probably access it through a browser whilst logged
    onto the Google WebSite, but strictly speaking, you are using a part
    of the modern internet which is more properly called "UseNet" which
    consists of almost limitless "newsgroups" to which anyone -
    supposing they have access to a computer - can post and also read
    whatever posts other people on the same newsgroup posted.

    The fact that Google and Yahoo an others repackage all or some of the
    newsgroups and make them readily available to you and others who might
    otherwise not have known of their existance does _not_ make them Google
    Groups or Yahoo Groups or any other Proprietory Group. They are and
    probably will remain collectively the "UseNet" with each individual
    group being callled a "NewsGroup"

    In the beginning the current Internet started out as the ARPAnet which
    hooked up a small group of university computers and I believe it was
    Charlie Cline who attempted to make the first connection.

    There is a certain Political Hack, a notorious liar called Al Gore who
    professes godlike knowledge on many things, who claims to have
    "invented" the internet when he was in congress. However, like most of
    his claims, this is false. The Internet was going long before the
    Lemmings elected that Judas Goat to represent them.

    There are, or were many other perts to the internet, some no longer
    used with advancing technology

    Email, FTP, Telnet, Listserv, gopher, spyder, Archie, Veronica,
    Jughead and finger are just a few protocols that served a perticular
    purpose at various times and you could search if you are interested in
    learning some history.

    I still often run a finger server and permanently have a listserver
    running at http://azurservers.com/cgi-bin/wa to service a few lists
    that I run and that anyone else would like to start up.

    You see Bill A., it's 'where' you troll...

    /d

  13. William Asher said:

    Why is it that when I am out trolling for bluefin all I can catch are
    goddamned cunners?

    You're lucky you didn't catch a red herring.

  14. Davey Crockett said:

    * [email hidden] a écrit profondement:
    |
    | I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup because it was
    | weird to me how someone knew where I lived?

    * [email hidden] a écrit profondement:
    |
    | I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup because it was
    | weird to me how someone knew where I lived?

    Internet postings can be traced. Some even to your home address. My
    home address and telephone numbers are readily available to anyone
    wanting to spend a few minutes since I own the "azurservers" domain or
    "station" if you will although users who log into an ISP owned domain,
    as you seem to do can only be traced as far as the registered address
    for the domain of the Internet Service Provider they used to log onto
    the Net.

    OK, first, you call this group a "Google" group, but technically it is
    not. I know you probably access it through a browser whilst logged
    onto the Google WebSite, but strictly speaking, you are using a part
    of the modern internet which is more properly called "UseNet" which
    consists of almost limitless "newsgroups" to which anyone -
    supposing they have access to a computer - can post and also read
    whatever posts other people on the same newsgroup posted.

    The fact that Google and Yahoo an others repackage all or some of the
    newsgroups and make them readily available to you and others who might
    otherwise not have known of their existance does _not_ make them Google
    Groups or Yahoo Groups or any other Proprietory Group. They are and
    probably will remain collectively the "UseNet" with each individual
    group being callled a "NewsGroup"

    In the beginning the current Internet started out as the ARPAnet which
    hooked up a small group of university computers and I believe it was
    Charlie Cline who attempted to make the first connection.

    There is a certain Political Hack, a notorious liar called Al Gore who
    professes godlike knowledge on many things, who claims to have
    "invented" the internet when he was in congress. However, like most of
    his claims, this is false. The Internet was going long before the
    Lemmings elected that Judas Goat to represent them.

    There are, or were many other perts to the internet, some no longer
    used with advancing technology

    Email, FTP, Telnet, Listserv, gopher, spyder, Archie, Veronica,
    Jughead and finger are just a few protocols that served a perticular
    purpose at various times and you could search if you are interested in
    learning some history.

    I still often run a finger server and permanently have a listserver
    running at http://azurservers.com/cgi-bin/wa to service a few lists
    that I run and that anyone else would like to start up.

    Davey since you know all there is to know about the internet and feel
    the need to educate the uneducated how about you educate yourself about
    Al Gore? Read, don't swallow. It's WHY we have the internet.

    The "invented the internet" was political spin during the election and
    dumbasses everywhere ran with it and now it's "fact". No wonder our land
    of lemmings has W as president.

    Al Gore, March 1999 speaking to Wolf Blitzer.
    "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative
    in creating the Internet."

    According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom
    who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be
    where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it
    and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and
    in his earlier role as Senator."

    The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with
    making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's
    High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania's Dave
    Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."

    Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University,
    claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the
    importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to
    cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?"

    Katie Hafner, author of a book on the Internet’s origins, penned a short
    piece in the New York Times, quoting experts who said that Gore “helped
    lift the Internet from relative obscurity and turn it into a widely
    accessible, commercial network.”

    en.wikipedia.orgAl Gore's contributions to the Internet and technology

  15. How about you kiss my nether regions? Al Gore said that he was INSTRUMENTAL
    in the FOUNDING OF THE INTERNET.

    "WeaselPoopPower" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Davey Crockett said:

    * [email hidden] a écrit profondement:
    |
    | I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup because it was
    | weird to me how someone knew where I lived?

    * [email hidden] a écrit profondement:
    |
    | I thought I might be done writing to this googlegroup because it was
    | weird to me how someone knew where I lived?
    Internet postings can be traced. Some even to your home address. My
    home address and telephone numbers are readily available to anyone
    wanting to spend a few minutes since I own the "azurservers" domain or
    "station" if you will although users who log into an ISP owned domain,
    as you seem to do can only be traced as far as the registered address
    for the domain of the Internet Service Provider they used to log onto
    the Net.

    OK, first, you call this group a "Google" group, but technically it is
    not. I know you probably access it through a browser whilst logged
    onto the Google WebSite, but strictly speaking, you are using a part
    of the modern internet which is more properly called "UseNet" which
    consists of almost limitless "newsgroups" to which anyone -
    supposing they have access to a computer - can post and also read
    whatever posts other people on the same newsgroup posted.

    The fact that Google and Yahoo an others repackage all or some of the
    newsgroups and make them readily available to you and others who might
    otherwise not have known of their existance does _not_ make them Google
    Groups or Yahoo Groups or any other Proprietory Group. They are and
    probably will remain collectively the "UseNet" with each individual
    group being callled a "NewsGroup"

    In the beginning the current Internet started out as the ARPAnet which
    hooked up a small group of university computers and I believe it was
    Charlie Cline who attempted to make the first connection.

    There is a certain Political Hack, a notorious liar called Al Gore who
    professes godlike knowledge on many things, who claims to have
    "invented" the internet when he was in congress. However, like most of
    his claims, this is false. The Internet was going long before the
    Lemmings elected that Judas Goat to represent them.

    There are, or were many other perts to the internet, some no longer
    used with advancing technology

    Email, FTP, Telnet, Listserv, gopher, spyder, Archie, Veronica,
    Jughead and finger are just a few protocols that served a perticular
    purpose at various times and you could search if you are interested in
    learning some history.

    I still often run a finger server and permanently have a listserver
    running at http://azurservers.com/cgi-bin/wa to service a few lists
    that I run and that anyone else would like to start up.

    Davey since you know all there is to know about the internet and feel
    the need to educate the uneducated how about you educate yourself about
    Al Gore? Read, don't swallow. It's WHY we have the internet.

    The "invented the internet" was political spin during the election and
    dumbasses everywhere ran with it and now it's "fact". No wonder our land
    of lemmings has W as president.

    Al Gore, March 1999 speaking to Wolf Blitzer.
    "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative
    in creating the Internet."

    According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom
    who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be
    where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it
    and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and
    in his earlier role as Senator."

    The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with
    making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's
    High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania's Dave
    Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."

    Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University,
    claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the
    importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to
    cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?"

    Katie Hafner, author of a book on the Internet's origins, penned a short
    piece in the New York Times, quoting experts who said that Gore "helped
    lift the Internet from relative obscurity and turn it into a widely
    accessible, commercial network."

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  16. Tom Kunich said:

    The best riders NEVER fall down.

    and Frank Schleck won the Giro di Lombardia

  17. Tom Kunich said:

    How about you kiss my nether regions? Al Gore said that he was
    INSTRUMENTAL in the FOUNDING OF THE INTERNET.

    Luckily I listen to I Vinton Cerf, Robert Kahn and Leonard Kleinrock
    among others not your ass or your ass spew media. I know you won't read
    this because like WMDs your mind is nowhere to be found. Others who are
    intelligent may be able to make up there own minds and not have someone
    else do it for them, for them read on... because the INVENTORS of the
    internet give Al Gore credit over and over.

    Leonard Kleinrock (ARPANET the worlds first switched network was
    developed in his lab circa 1969)
    http://www.lk.cs.ucla.edu/PS/paper224.pdf
    "A second development occurred around this time, namely, then-Senator Al
    Gore, a strong and knowledgeable proponent of the Internet, promoted
    legislation that resulted in President George Bush signing the High
    Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991. This Act allocated
    $600 million for high performance computing and for the creation of the
    National Research and Education Network [13–14]. The NREN brought
    together industry, academia and government in a joint effort to
    accelerate the development and deployment of gigabit/sec networking."

    Robert Kahn (inventor of TCP/IP protocol) and Vinton Cerf (one of the
    "Founding Fathers" of the internet)
    http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0009/msg00311.html

    [Originally To: Declan McCullaugh <declan {AT} well.com>, farber {AT}
    cis.upenn.edu
    Cc: rkahn {AT} cnri.reston.va.us]

    Dave and Declan,

    I am taking the liberty of sending to you both a brief summary of Al
    Gore's Internet involvement, prepared by Bob Kahn and me. As you know,
    there have been a seemingly unending series of jokes chiding the vice
    president for his assertion that he "took the initiative in creating the
    Internet."

    Bob and I believe that the vice president deserves significant credit for
    his early recognition of the importance of what has become the Internet.

    I thought you might find this short summary of sufficient interest to
    share it with Politech and the IP lists, respectively.

    ==============================================================

    Al Gore and the Internet

    By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf

    Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the
    Internet and to promote and support its development.

    No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the
    Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among
    people in government and the university community. But as the two people
    who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the
    Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
    Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to
    our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of
    time.

    Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role.
    He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the
    initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have
    argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover,
    there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's
    initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving
    Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and
    promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it
    is timely to offer our perspective.

    As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed
    telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the
    improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official
    to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact
    than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily
    forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial
    concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even
    earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as
    we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still
    in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided
    intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential
    benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he
    sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in
    areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural
    disasters and other crises.

    As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate
    what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks
    into an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with
    officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore secured
    the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in
    1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and Education
    Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the
    spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.

    As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as
    well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies
    that spawned it. He served as the major administration proponent for
    continued investment in advanced computing and networking and private
    sector initiatives such as Net Day. He was and is a strong proponent of
    extending access to the network to schools and libraries. Today,
    approximately 95% of our nation's schools are on the Internet. Gore
    provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the
    Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven
    operation.

    There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet's rapid
    growth since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political
    support for its privatization and continued support for research in
    advanced networking technology. No one in public life has been more
    intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving
    Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this
    effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at large.

    The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of the value
    of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and
    consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American
    citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world.

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    The Webbys
    On 06 June 2005, Gore was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award "for
    three decades of contributions to the Internet" at The Webby Awards. In
    giving him the award, Tiffany Shlain (the awards' founder and
    chairwoman) stated that she "wanted to set the record straight [...]
    it's just one of those instances someone did amazing work for three
    decades as Congressman, Senator and Vice President and it got spun
    around into this political mess." [43] Gore, during his acceptance
    speech (limited to five words according to Webby Awards rules), joked:
    "Please don't recount this vote". [44]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Bill
    The High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 (HPCA) was
    a bill created and introduced by then Senator Al Gore (it was thus
    referred to as the Gore Bill [1]). It was passed on December 9, 1991. [2]

    This bill led to the development of the National Research and Education
    Network (NREN) [3][4][5] (which was referred to with the rhetoric of the
    Information Superhighway[6]). It also led to the development of the
    National Information Infrastructure (also discussed through the rhetoric
    of the Information Superhighway [7]) the High-Performance Computing and
    Communications Initiative (an off-shoot of the HPCA), the web browser
    Mosaic[8], and the creation of a high-speed fiber optic network that,
    when utilized, would help stimulate the economy.

    en.wikipedia.orgAl Gore's contributions to the Internet and technology
    White House website
    The Clinton-Gore administration launched the first official White House
    website on 21 October 1994. [21], [22] It would be followed by three
    more versions, resulting in the final edition launched in 2000.[23],
    [24] The White House website was part of a general movement by this
    administration towards web based communication: "Clinton and Gore were
    responsible for pressing almost all federal agencies, the U.S. court
    system and the U.S. military onto the Internet, thus opening up
    America's government to more of America's citizens than ever before. On
    17 July 1996. President Clinton issued Executive Order 13011 - Federal
    Information Technology, ordering the heads of all federal agencies to
    fully utilize information technology to make the information of the
    agency easily accessible to the public." [25]

    en.wikipedia.orgAl Gore's contributions to the Internet and technology
    Electronic Bill of Rights
    In 1998 Gore gave a speech concerning an "Electronic Bill of Rights" in
    which he introduced methods of protecting privacy in the age of digital
    technology: "We need an electronic bill of rights for this electronic
    age," Vice President Gore said in an event in the Roosevelt Room at the
    White House. "You should have the right to choose whether your personal
    information is disclosed; you should have the right to know how, when,
    and how much of that information is being used; and you should have the
    right to see it yourself, to know if it's accurate." [26]

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    Apple and Google
    He has been a member of the board of directors of Apple Inc. since 2003
    and serves as a Senior Advisor to Google Inc.[42]

  18. Tom Kunich said:

    How about you kiss my nether regions? Al Gore said that he was still looking for TK's brain.

    Ha perhaps some insight...
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/opinion/15krugman.html

    <snip>
    What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?

    Partly it’s a reaction to what happened in 2000, when the American
    people chose Mr. Gore but his opponent somehow ended up in the White
    House. Both the personality cult the right tried to build around
    President Bush and the often hysterical denigration of Mr. Gore were, I
    believe, largely motivated by the desire to expunge the stain of
    illegitimacy from the Bush administration.

    And now that Mr. Bush has proved himself utterly the wrong man for the
    job — to be, in fact, the best president Al Qaeda’s recruiters could
    have hoped for — the symptoms of Gore derangement syndrome have grown
    even more extreme.

    The worst thing about Mr. Gore, from the conservative point of view, is
    that he keeps being right. In 1992, George H. W. Bush mocked him as the
    “ozone man,” but three years later the scientists who discovered the
    threat to the ozone layer won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. In 2002 he
    warned that if we invaded Iraq, “the resulting chaos could easily pose a
    far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from
    Saddam.” And so it has proved.

    But Gore hatred is more than personal. When National Review decided to
    name its anti-environmental blog Planet Gore, it was trying to discredit
    the message as well as the messenger. For the truth Mr. Gore has been
    telling about how human activities are changing the climate isn’t just
    inconvenient. For conservatives, it’s deeply threatening.
    </snip>

  19. "WeaselPoopPower" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?

    Partly it's a reaction to what happened in 2000, when the American
    people chose Mr. Gore but his opponent somehow ended up in the White
    House.

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Well, it is a great laugh that you actually believe that sort of thing. I'm
    betting you also believe in UFO's, that Bill Clinton didn't have anything to
    do with the Mena Massacre and that Hillary is a deep thinking honorable
    person who ought to be President.

  20. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    WeaselPoopPower said:
    Tom Kunich said:

    How about you kiss my nether regions? Al Gore said that he was
    INSTRUMENTAL in the FOUNDING OF THE INTERNET.

    Luckily I listen to I Vinton Cerf, Robert Kahn and Leonard Kleinrock
    among others not your ass or your ass spew media. I know you won't read
    this because like WMDs your mind is nowhere to be found. Others who are
    intelligent may be able to make up there own minds and not have someone
    else do it for them, for them read on... because the INVENTORS of the
    internet give Al Gore credit over and over.

    Nevertheless, Gore said
    "I was very instrumental in the founding of the Internet."

    What he said is not so.

    As for the internet, I and many others were using it
    as a tool in day-to-day work well before the time
    Gore made AOL possible.

    --
    Michael Press

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