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  1. Hi all,
    In past years, I have had some experience doing this, drying Italian
    Sausage during the winter season when I used to live in Chicago.

    Also, one Italian friend of mine there used to dry/cure about 140lbs
    worth of pork shoulder every winter, turning this into Dried Italian
    Sausage, Supersade (sp) and Cappocollo.
    He really made some very very tasty stuff.

    I was typically told by others, that very cool dry weather is needed to
    succeed to air curing/drying meats. I can recall, some of the larger
    pieces of meat my friend cured (Pork Butts) sometimes would spoil,
    perhaps due to their large size, and also perhaps due to inconsistent
    temperatures, and humidity conditions?

    I have read about some Italian Parma Hams, and have read that some of
    these "air cure" for up to 15 months! How do they do this?

    What conditions, (temperatures-humidity are needed to provide safe
    reliable results for this?
    How do both commercial, and amateur makers guarantee safe results
    without fear of say perhaps Trichinosis? ( I understand this parasite is
    sort of uncommon nowadays)

    Now, that I'm living in the Southwest US, is there any way to still
    somehow succeed in this endeavor making air dried-cured Sausages, etc?
    TIA, Mark

  2. Mark D said:

    Hi all,
    In past years, I have had some experience doing this, drying Italian
    Sausage during the winter season when I used to live in Chicago.

    Also, one Italian friend of mine there used to dry/cure about 140lbs
    worth of pork shoulder every winter, turning this into Dried Italian
    Sausage, Supersade (sp) and Cappocollo.
    He really made some very very tasty stuff.

    I was typically told by others, that very cool dry weather is needed to
    succeed to air curing/drying meats. I can recall, some of the larger
    pieces of meat my friend cured (Pork Butts) sometimes would spoil,
    perhaps due to their large size, and also perhaps due to inconsistent
    temperatures, and humidity conditions?

    I have read about some Italian Parma Hams, and have read that some of
    these "air cure" for up to 15 months! How do they do this?

    What conditions, (temperatures-humidity are needed to provide safe
    reliable results for this?
    How do both commercial, and amateur makers guarantee safe results
    without fear of say perhaps Trichinosis? ( I understand this parasite is
    sort of uncommon nowadays)

    Now, that I'm living in the Southwest US, is there any way to still
    somehow succeed in this endeavor making air dried-cured Sausages, etc?
    TIA, Mark


    I suppose that you can cure meat in any climate, if you do it indoors in
    a temperature and humidity-controlled warehouse/smokehouse. If you rely
    on the local climate, I would guess that you would be most successful
    with products that come from a place with climate similar to where you
    are.

    Maybe you could find an old 'fridge that could keep cool but not cold
    inside. Or you might need to use lots of nitrates to kill bacteria.

    --

    ===============================================================
    Regards

    Louis Cohen

    "Yes, yes, I will desalinate you, you grande morue!"

    Émile Zola, Assommoir 1877

  3. Mark D said:

    Hi all,
    In past years, I have had some experience doing this, drying Italian
    Sausage during the winter season when I used to live in Chicago.

    Also, one Italian friend of mine there used to dry/cure about 140lbs
    worth of pork shoulder every winter, turning this into Dried Italian
    Sausage, Supersade (sp) and Cappocollo.
    He really made some very very tasty stuff.

    I was typically told by others, that very cool dry weather is needed to
    succeed to air curing/drying meats. I can recall, some of the larger
    pieces of meat my friend cured (Pork Butts) sometimes would spoil,
    perhaps due to their large size, and also perhaps due to inconsistent
    temperatures, and humidity conditions?

    I have read about some Italian Parma Hams, and have read that some of
    these "air cure" for up to 15 months! How do they do this?

    What conditions, (temperatures-humidity are needed to provide safe
    reliable results for this?
    How do both commercial, and amateur makers guarantee safe results
    without fear of say perhaps Trichinosis? ( I understand this parasite is
    sort of uncommon nowadays)

    Now, that I'm living in the Southwest US, is there any way to still
    somehow succeed in this endeavor making air dried-cured Sausages, etc?
    TIA, Mark

    You actually need *high* humidity to properly dry a sausage. Otherwise
    it dried too fast and "case hardens", or else it just dries out too
    much. Cool and kind of damp is best.

    Regarding trichinosis, you either just don't worry about it because it
    is quite uncommon in domesticated meat these days, or to be 100% certain
    you freeze the pork in a deep freezer at 0° F. (or lower) for a while
    before making sausage. I don't recall what "a while" is; maybe 2 or 3
    weeks. Then it is what you call "certified pork", and can safely be
    eaten raw.

    Trichinella (sp?) is quite common in bear meat or wild pigs, so you must
    be careful when making sausage with game rather than domestic pork and beef.

    (Don't forget the fermentation stage when making air-dried cured
    sausage. It lowers the pH and guards against botulism poisoning)

    Best regards,
    Bob

  4. zxcvbob said:
    Mark D said:

    Hi all,
    In past years, I have had some experience doing this, drying Italian
    Sausage during the winter season when I used to live in Chicago.

    Also, one Italian friend of mine there used to dry/cure about 140lbs
    worth of pork shoulder every winter, turning this into Dried Italian
    Sausage, Supersade (sp) and Cappocollo.
    He really made some very very tasty stuff.

    I was typically told by others, that very cool dry weather is needed to
    succeed to air curing/drying meats. I can recall, some of the larger
    pieces of meat my friend cured (Pork Butts) sometimes would spoil,
    perhaps due to their large size, and also perhaps due to inconsistent
    temperatures, and humidity conditions?

    I have read about some Italian Parma Hams, and have read that some of
    these "air cure" for up to 15 months! How do they do this?

    What conditions, (temperatures-humidity are needed to provide safe
    reliable results for this?
    How do both commercial, and amateur makers guarantee safe results
    without fear of say perhaps Trichinosis? ( I understand this parasite is
    sort of uncommon nowadays)

    Now, that I'm living in the Southwest US, is there any way to still
    somehow succeed in this endeavor making air dried-cured Sausages, etc?
    TIA, Mark

    You actually need *high* humidity to properly dry a sausage. Otherwise
    it dried too fast and "case hardens", or else it just dries out too
    much. Cool and kind of damp is best.

    Regarding trichinosis, you either just don't worry about it because it
    is quite uncommon in domesticated meat these days, or to be 100% certain
    you freeze the pork in a deep freezer at 0° F. (or lower) for a while
    before making sausage. I don't recall what "a while" is; maybe 2 or 3
    weeks. Then it is what you call "certified pork", and can safely be
    eaten raw.

    Trichinella (sp?) is quite common in bear meat or wild pigs, so you must
    be careful when making sausage with game rather than domestic pork and
    beef.

    (Don't forget the fermentation stage when making air-dried cured
    sausage. It lowers the pH and guards against botulism poisoning)

    Best regards,
    Bob

    Mark,
    You might want to check out this website. I've a friend in NJ
    (originally from Spain) who makes her own Jambon Serrano every year.

    http://www.jrnet.com/ham/

  5. "Mark D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hi all,
    In past years, I have had some experience doing this, drying Italian
    Sausage during the winter season when I used to live in Chicago.

    Also, one Italian friend of mine there used to dry/cure about 140lbs
    worth of pork shoulder every winter, turning this into Dried Italian
    Sausage, Supersade (sp) and Cappocollo.
    He really made some very very tasty stuff.

    I was typically told by others, that very cool dry weather is needed to
    succeed to air curing/drying meats. I can recall, some of the larger
    pieces of meat my friend cured (Pork Butts) sometimes would spoil,
    perhaps due to their large size, and also perhaps due to inconsistent
    temperatures, and humidity conditions?

    I have read about some Italian Parma Hams, and have read that some of
    these "air cure" for up to 15 months! How do they do this?

    Se below:

    Dimitri

    http://www.prosciuttodiparma.com/eng/handling/consumers/

    How Parma Ham is made

    The hams are made from the rear haunches of the pig; four ingredients are
    essential to the production of Parma Ham: Italian pigs, salt, air and time.
    Parma Ham is an all-natural ham; additives such as sugar, spices, smoke,
    water and nitrites are prohibited. Making a Parma ham is a long and
    painstaking process. The curing is controlled carefully so that the ham
    absorbs only enough salt to preserve it. By the end, a trimmed ham will have
    lost more than a quarter of its weight through moisture loss, helping to
    concentrate the flavour. The meat becomes tender and the distinctive aroma
    and flavour of Parma Ham emerge.

    Key Production Steps:

    Trimming: At the processing plant some skin and fat are removed to give the
    ham its typical "chicken drumstick" shape.

    Salting: A highly trained maestro salatore, or salt master, rubs sea salt
    into the meat, which is then refrigerated at 80% humidity for about a week.
    Residual salt is removed and the ham gets a second thin coating of salt,
    which is left on another 15 to 18 days, depending on weight. By making daily
    adjustments in temperature and humidity, the maestro ensures that the legs
    absorb just enough salt to cure them-thereby preserving Parma Ham's
    reputation as a "sweet ham".

    Resting: Next the hams hang for 70 days in refrigerated, humidity-controlled
    rooms, at 65% humidity. The meat darkens but will return to its original
    rosy colour in the final days of curing.

    Washing and Drying: The hams are washed with warm water and brushed to
    remove excess salt, then hung in drying rooms.

    Initial Curing: Now the hams are hung on frames in well ventilated rooms
    with large windows that are opened when the outside temperature and humidity
    are favourable. Connoisseurs believe that this period, when the hams are
    bathed in aromatic breezes, is critical to the development of Parma Ham's
    distinctive flavour. By the end of this phase, which lasts about three
    months, the exposed surface of the meat has dried and hardened.

    Greasing: the exposed surfaces of the hams are softened with a paste of
    minced lard and salt.

    Final Curing: The hams are moved to dark, cellar-like rooms and hang on
    racks until the curing is completed. The hams are cured at least 1 year, and
    some are cured as long as 30 months.

  6. "Mark D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    I have read about some Italian Parma Hams, and have read that some of
    these "air cure" for up to 15 months! How do they do this?

    What conditions, (temperatures-humidity are needed to provide safe
    reliable results for this?
    How do both commercial, and amateur makers guarantee safe results
    without fear of say perhaps Trichinosis? ( I understand this parasite is
    sort of uncommon nowadays)

    Check out Dan's web page for making cured meats. I've seen his setup and it
    is as simple as you can imagine. His hams are delicious also. Breakfast at
    Dan's is a real treat.
    http://www.velvitoil.com/index.html

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