Questions for Atkins....

Byron said:

Hi There fello Atkins'ers

I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
them?

I have been on the Diet for 6 weeks and I have lost 31 pounds....

Very excited about Atkins... really works well for me.<-------------key point, I am glad you have found what works for you

Byron

Ask them if it is true, that after the initial water coupled to glycogen
loss at the begining of the diet, that the reason that it works is the
limited food choices cause people to naturally go hypocaloric due to
exhaustion of desired foods, not because of ketosis.

Not that I believe this to be or not be the case, but I do think it
makes for interesting discussions between hard core lcer's and just
plain dieters.

Lurker

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Hi There fello Atkins'ers

I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
them?

I have been on the Diet for 6 weeks and I have lost 31 pounds....

Very excited about Atkins... really works well for me.

Congratulations -- that's a LOT of weight to lose in such a short time! Ask them
why they added their own carby stuff into Induction right after Dr. Atkins died.
(Okay, they'll probably cut you out if you ask that, so your on your own :-)

--
Saffire
205/149/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

Lurker wrote:
| Byron wrote:
|| Hi There fello Atkins'ers
||
|| I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
|| wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
|| them?
||
|| I have been on the Diet for 6 weeks and I have lost 31 pounds....
||
|| Very excited about Atkins... really works well for
|| me.<-------------key point, I am glad you have found what works for
|| you
||
|| Byron
|
| Ask them if it is true, that after the initial water coupled to
| glycogen loss at the begining of the diet, that the reason that it
| works is the limited food choices cause people to naturally go
| hypocaloric due to exhaustion of desired foods, not because of
| ketosis.
|
| Not that I believe this to be or not be the case, but I do think it
| makes for interesting discussions between hard core lcer's and just
| plain dieters.
|
| Lurker

You obviously don't kow a thing about Atkins if you believe the desired
food choices are limited. Once you get over the sgar and starch addiction,
these foods are not craved and without this [censored] the choices are still
limitless for the healthy foods.

Do you even have a clue how ignorant you come across? Get educated before
you spew utter nonsense -- with no basis in reality -- that reflects poorly
on yourself.
--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/weightlosspix/weightlosspix.html

Lurker <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Byron said:

Hi There fello Atkins'ers

I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
them?

I have been on the Diet for 6 weeks and I have lost 31 pounds....

Very excited about Atkins... really works well for me.<-------------key point, I am glad you have found what works for you

Byron

Ask them if it is true, that after the initial water coupled to glycogen
loss at the begining of the diet, that the reason that it works is the
limited food choices cause people to naturally go hypocaloric due to
exhaustion of desired foods, not because of ketosis.

Not that I believe this to be or not be the case, but I do think it
makes for interesting discussions between hard core lcer's and just
plain dieters.

Lurker

Great Question!

Byron said:

I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
them?

Ask them why Robert Atkins did not have a will ordered, estate mandated
autopsy to be eternal proof his diet, which he claimed "saved his life",
was everything he claimed it to be.

Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a failure
rate of 95% within two years. And how can they justify promoting such a
catastrophic failure of a diet when the large majority of those failures
regain MORE weight than when they began Atkins. Contributing heavily to a
human health merry-go-round of endemic proportions.

Then ask them why their food sucks. With all that money Atkins Inc has
drained from the foolish, they could have at least made a few things
edible.

Chrissy Cruiser wrote:
| On 9 Aug 2004 15:01:35 -0700, Byron wrote:
|
|| I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
|| wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
|| them?
|
| Ask them why Robert Atkins did not have a will ordered, estate
| mandated autopsy to be eternal proof his diet, which he claimed
| "saved his life", was everything he claimed it to be.
|
| Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a
| failure rate of 95% within two years. And how can they justify
| promoting such a catastrophic failure of a diet when the large
| majority of those failures regain MORE weight than when they began
| Atkins. Contributing heavily to a human health merry-go-round of
| endemic proportions.
|
| Then ask them why their food sucks. With all that money Atkins Inc
| has drained from the foolish, they could have at least made a few
| things edible.

And you speak from what personal experience?

You're nothing but a stupid, blowhard or very, very ignorant troll. You
obviously have no self control and stay fat because you eat like a pig. Or,
who knows, mahybe you just need to get laid? PMS? Mentally ill? What
other explanations could there be for someone so irrationally bitter,
hostile and jealous of others' success? Go back to your trough while we
continue to slim down and enjoy lower cholesterol, lower blood pressure,
lower triglycerides, lower weight and great health on Atkins. Idiot.
--
Peter
Atkins since 2001 and still continuing to enjoy great health improvements
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/weightlosspix/weightlosspix.html

Chrissy Cruiser said:

Byron said:

I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
them?

Ask them why Robert Atkins did not have a will ordered, estate mandated
autopsy to be eternal proof his diet, which he claimed "saved his life",
was everything he claimed it to be.

Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a failure
rate of 95% within two years. And how can they justify promoting such a
catastrophic failure of a diet when the large majority of those failures
regain MORE weight than when they began Atkins. Contributing heavily to a
human health merry-go-round of endemic proportions.

Then ask them why their food sucks. With all that money Atkins Inc has
drained from the foolish, they could have at least made a few things
edible.

You can get more fodder for your questions by Googling SMC and visiting:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

Chrissy, you will be in my prayers that God will give you the strength
and courage to endure the insults that will likely be directed at you
for being truthful.

Byron, you will be in my prayers that God will give you the wisdom and
insight to ask the right questions to bring out the truth.

The folks murmuring in the dark corners of Usenet remain in my prayers
that God help them accept Christ so that they can come out into the
light.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Chrissy Cruiser said:

Then ask them why their food sucks. With all that money Atkins Inc has
drained from the foolish, they could have at least made a few things
edible.

How do you mean, "their food"? My sister and her husband are on the
Atkins diet and, as far as I know, they are eating normally, but cutting
out certain food like bread and potatoes. They are not having to buy in
anything extra.
--
Annabel Smyth [email hidden]
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 7 August 2004 - for a limited time, be bored by my holiday
snaps!

marengo said:

Lurker wrote:
| Byron wrote:
|| Hi There fello Atkins'ers
||
|| I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
|| wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
|| them?
||
|| I have been on the Diet for 6 weeks and I have lost 31 pounds....
||
|| Very excited about Atkins... really works well for
|| me.<-------------key point, I am glad you have found what works for
|| you
||
|| Byron
|
| Ask them if it is true, that after the initial water coupled to
| glycogen loss at the begining of the diet, that the reason that it
| works is the limited food choices cause people to naturally go
| hypocaloric due to exhaustion of desired foods, not because of
| ketosis.
|
| Not that I believe this to be or not be the case, but I do think it
| makes for interesting discussions between hard core lcer's and just
| plain dieters.
|
| Lurker

You obviously don't kow a thing about Atkins if you believe the desired
food choices are limited.

Perhaps, like me Lurker witnessed the Atkins dieters in their first
couple years on the plan. They seem confused and very limited to what
they can eat when in the presence of others people’s food choices. I’m
speaking of breakfast meetings, luncheons, restaurants, cookouts,
parties, ice cream socials, etc. The 5 people I know on Atkins, even to
this day (2 years later) still seem to struggle to find their acceptable
foods at publicly served meals. Even when they do find something to
eat, I doubt it’s what Atkins would consider a “nutritionally balanced
meal.” More likely it’s a double helping of meat. I’m not arguing that
the people in this newsgroup haven’t created a large menu with plenty of
variety for themselves, just stating that I have witnessed some
confusion, especially with new Atkins followers, which I would label
“limited food choices” as well.

From Science Daily

Atkins Diet Shows Surprising Results, Researcher Says; One-year Study
Shows Diet May Be As Effective And Safe As Conventional Diets

Philadelphia., PA -- A 3-center study led by researchers at the Weight
and Eating Disorders Program of the University of Pennsylvania School of
Medicine reports the results of the first controlled trial of the Atkins
Diet. The Atkins Diet limits carbohydrates but permits unrestricted
amounts of protein and fat. Compared to a conventional, high-
carbohydrate, low-calorie approach, Atkins dieters lost twice as much
weight at 3 and 6 months but there was no difference between the groups
at 1 year. Despite the lack of differences in weight loss at 1 year, the
Atkins dieters had significantly greater increases in good cholesterol
(HDL) and greater decreases in triglycerides.

This study was funded through grants from the National Institutes of
Health (NIH)

Of course this was only a 1 year study, but where's your source?

Chrissy Cruiser said:

Byron said:

I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
them?

<snip>

Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a failure
rate of 95% within two years.

<snip>

Chrissy Cruiser said:

Byron said:

I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
them?

Ask them why Robert Atkins did not have a will ordered, estate mandated
autopsy to be eternal proof his diet, which he claimed "saved his life",
was everything he claimed it to be.

Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a failure
rate of 95% within two years. And how can they justify promoting such a
catastrophic failure of a diet when the large majority of those failures
regain MORE weight than when they began Atkins. Contributing heavily to a
human health merry-go-round of endemic proportions.

Then ask them why their food sucks. With all that money Atkins Inc has
drained from the foolish, they could have at least made a few things
edible.

people, the fact this was cross posted to the chungcardiology quack
group should warn you that the 2 pound diet shills are active again.
it's a troll post

MD/PhD said:

Chrissy Cruiser said:

Byron said:

I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
them?

Ask them why Robert Atkins did not have a will ordered, estate mandated
autopsy to be eternal proof his diet, which he claimed "saved his life",
was everything he claimed it to be.

Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a failure
rate of 95% within two years. And how can they justify promoting such a
catastrophic failure of a diet when the large majority of those failures
regain MORE weight than when they began Atkins. Contributing heavily to a
human health merry-go-round of endemic proportions.

Then ask them why their food sucks. With all that money Atkins Inc has
drained from the foolish, they could have at least made a few things
edible.

You can get more fodder for your questions by Googling SMC and visiting:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

Chrissy, you will be in my prayers that God will give you the strength
and courage to endure the insults that will likely be directed at you
for being truthful.

Byron, you will be in my prayers that God will give you the wisdom and
insight to ask the right questions to bring out the truth.

The folks murmuring in the dark corners of Usenet remain in my prayers
that God help them accept Christ so that they can come out into the
light.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

first the shill, then the quack

Chrissy Cruiser said:

Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a failure
rate of 95% within two years. And how can they justify promoting such a
catastrophic failure of a diet when the large majority of those failures
regain MORE weight than when they began Atkins. Contributing heavily to a
human health merry-go-round of endemic proportions.

95% and more weight regained is the failure rate for all diets--only 5%
of people sustain medically significant weight loss for 5 years.

My opinion is that the key is both motivation and finding the right way
of eating for each individual's preferences and metabolism. Fairly low
carb is the one that works for me.

Pam
t2 since Nov. 2003, diet and exercise

Ignoramus29819 said:

In article said:

Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a failure
rate of 95% within two years. And how can they justify promoting such a

Can you point out a particular study?

i

Get a copy of _Fat, Fighting the Obesity Epidemic_, by Robert Pool.
It will describe study after study.

E

Ignoramus29819 said:

In article said:

How do you mean, "their food"? My sister and her husband are on the
Atkins diet and, as far as I know, they are eating normally, but cutting
out certain food like bread and potatoes. They are not having to buy in
anything extra.

Same with my sister. How is the diet working for your sister and her
husband?

I've not seen her for ages, as she lives quite a long way away and is
busy running a bed-and-breakfast (anybody want a b&b in Norfolk,
Atkins-friendly?), but my mother tells me she's lost a stone or more, &
so has he. Which makes me the "baddie" again, as I'm now fatter than
her (it was such bliss when she was fatter than me!). Mothers!

It seems to be working for them. I gather she cooks potatoes & carrots,
etc, for her children, but otherwise they all eat the same food.
Another friend (and contemporary, in age) of my mother went on the
Atkins diet and discovered a previously-unsuspected gluten intolerance,
so not only has she lost weight, she also feels infinitely better!
--
Annabel Smyth [email hidden]
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 7 August 2004 - for a limited time, be bored by my holiday
snaps!

marengo said:

Lurker wrote:
| Byron wrote:
|| Hi There fello Atkins'ers
||
|| I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
|| wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
|| them?
||
|| I have been on the Diet for 6 weeks and I have lost 31 pounds....
||
|| Very excited about Atkins... really works well for
|| me.<-------------key point, I am glad you have found what works for
|| you
||
|| Byron
|
| Ask them if it is true, that after the initial water coupled to
| glycogen loss at the begining of the diet, that the reason that it
| works is the limited food choices cause people to naturally go
| hypocaloric due to exhaustion of desired foods, not because of
| ketosis.
|
| Not that I believe this to be or not be the case, but I do think it
| makes for interesting discussions between hard core lcer's and just
| plain dieters.
|
| Lurker

You obviously don't kow a thing about Atkins if you believe the desired
food choices are limited.

What part of

Quoted message said:

| Not that I believe this to be or not be the case,

was so increadibly difficult for you to understand?

Or this for as much as it matters?

Quoted message said:

| I do think it
| makes for *interesting discussions* between hard core lcer's and
| just plain dieters.

(emph. added)

Quoted message said:

Once you get over the sgar and starch addiction,
these foods are not craved and without this [censored] the choices are still
limitless for the healthy foods.

Do you even have a clue how ignorant you come across?

Do you even have a clue how much of an [censored] you come across as? You
hop on someone's ass and start chewing before taking the time to really
understand the intention of the answer. He asked for questions to ask
the Atkin's people. Chances are he wasn't looking for "Rah, rah! Atkin's
rocks" responses. I provided him with a common misconception in the form
of a question that should generate some very good information in the
form of an answer. And because it doesn't jive with what you have deemed
gospel you jump down my throat claiming me ignorant in the subject
before stopping to consider my intent. You may need to loosen up the
blinders a bit there buddy. Most people can see that there is more than
one reason for asking a question, especially a question that one already
knows the answer to.

Quoted message said:

Get educated before
you spew utter nonsense -- with no basis in reality -- that reflects poorly
on yourself.

Get a grip before you go off the deep end and start chewing people for
things they didn't even do. It makes you look like a complete jerk.

Oh, and thank you so much for providing the original poster with so much
insight from your vast education on the matter. Your two responses in
the thread (at this time)served no purpose other then to berate people
who were trying to answer his question. You offered no help at all, and
chewed people for trying to help. Which translates into you only looking
at the thread to make sure that no-one was posting anything that you
disagree with. And we have all just seen what happens if you *think*
someone has posted contrary to your opinion.

Don't bother responding as I have no time for usenet pissing constests
and will promptly be setting my newsreader to ignore anything posted by
you. You obviously have the same sour disposition I remember you having
a couple of years ago, and I just don't care to converse with anyone who
conducts themselves in the manner you are known for. Good luck in life.

Lurker

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:52:31 -0700, Eldritch <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Ignoramus29819 said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Chrissy Cruiser

Quoted message said:

Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a
failure
rate of 95% within two years. And how can they justify promoting such a

Can you point out a particular study?

i

Get a copy of _Fat, Fighting the Obesity Epidemic_, by Robert Pool. It
will describe study after study.

E

I doubt that, considering the paucity of studies that have been done on
Atkins or another ketogenic diet.

--
Bob in CT
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 at 16:07:44, Bob in CT <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I doubt that, considering the paucity of studies that have been done on
Atkins or another ketogenic diet.

Http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2004/atkins.shtml

I saw this programme when it was first shown, and it was fascinating.
They reckoned it was the high protein content of the diet that made you
eat less, so you lost weight. But they do conclude with a caveat that
not enough long-term studies have been done.
--
Annabel Smyth [email hidden]
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 7 August 2004 - for a limited time, be bored by my holiday
snaps!

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On 9 Aug 2004 15:01:35 -0700, Byron wrote:

I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
them?

Ask them why they are spreading around a diet that is known to destroy
a persons health........ Errrrrr, actually we already know it's the
money, so ask them how much money they scammed from people last year,
and what it was used for.

The Atkins diet has never been shown to destroy people's health, in fact a
number of recent studies have shown it tends to improve overall health more
than the traditional low-fat diet.