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  1. I've never tasted truffles, truffle oil, or any other truffle
    product. It would probably be difficult to find a "fresh" truffle in
    this area, but because so many people rave about them, I'd like to
    try. I've Googled the subject and didn't find what I've been looking
    for.

    What do they taste like? Has anyone used whole truffles or truffle
    oil? They are quite expensive and I don't want to buy anything that I
    will throw out, regardless of price. (Food is sacred, you know).

    I don't like any type of mushroom. I don't like the taste, aroma, or
    texture, so if a truffle is similar, I won't bother.

    Please share your opinions and the ways you've tried them.
    Thank you.

  2. Quoted message said:

    I don't like any type of mushroom. I don't like the taste, aroma, or
    texture, so if a truffle is similar, I won't bother.


    I don't think you'll like them then? I think truffles taste a tad
    "musty" if I understand correctly? I've never had them either though, so
    might be wrong?

  3. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've never tasted truffles, truffle oil, or any other truffle
    product. It would probably be difficult to find a "fresh" truffle in
    this area, but because so many people rave about them, I'd like to
    try. I've Googled the subject and didn't find what I've been looking
    for.

    What do they taste like? Has anyone used whole truffles or truffle
    oil? They are quite expensive and I don't want to buy anything that I
    will throw out, regardless of price. (Food is sacred, you know).

    I don't like any type of mushroom. I don't like the taste, aroma, or
    texture, so if a truffle is similar, I won't bother.

    Please share your opinions and the ways you've tried them.
    Thank you.


    I know I'm going to get in trouble for this.
    Truffles have the aroma, and the subtle haunting taste of an intermenstrual
    vagina lying within the confines of someone you love dearly. It's
    threatening becasue you don't know how to deal with it. If you, the poster,
    are a lady, I don't know what to say.

  4. Kent said:

    I know I'm going to get in trouble for this.
    Truffles have the aroma, and the subtle haunting taste of an intermenstrual
    vagina lying within the confines of someone you love dearly. It's
    threatening becasue you don't know how to deal with it. If you, the poster,
    are a lady, I don't know what to say.

    That's kinda cute.

    Karen

  5. Quoted message said:

    I've never tasted truffles, truffle oil, or any other truffle
    product. It would probably be difficult to find a "fresh" truffle in
    this area, but because so many people rave about them, I'd like to
    try. I've Googled the subject and didn't find what I've been looking
    for.

    What do they taste like? Has anyone used whole truffles or truffle
    oil? They are quite expensive and I don't want to buy anything that I
    will throw out, regardless of price. (Food is sacred, you know).

    I don't like any type of mushroom. I don't like the taste, aroma, or
    texture, so if a truffle is similar, I won't bother.

    Please share your opinions and the ways you've tried them.
    Thank you.

    I've been trying for years to explain what truffles are like. Nothing
    I've ever come up with satisfies me or the hearers. The only thing you
    can do is buy a small jar of truffled paste or a small bottle of
    truffled oil and smell it. You may hate it or love it. I love it and
    my kid hates it. If I have a truffle in rice in a sealed jar in the
    fridge, my cats will ring the fridge staring.

    I live in truffle country and half my neighbors are truffle hunters
    during the season. Even here and at wholesale I generally have to pay
    about $1340 a kilo, so if I buy I buy what I need-- maybe from 15 grams
    to max 65 grams. So I don't recommend buying a fresh truffle to find
    out if truffles interest you.

    To me they bear no resemblance to mushrooms, and I have had mushroom
    haters declare passionate love for truffles.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  6. Giusi said:

    I've been trying for years to explain what truffles are like. Nothing
    I've ever come up with satisfies me or the hearers. The only thing you
    can do is buy a small jar of truffled paste or a small bottle of
    truffled oil and smell it. You may hate it or love it. I love it and
    my kid hates it. If I have a truffle in rice in a sealed jar in the
    fridge, my cats will ring the fridge staring.

    I live in truffle country and half my neighbors are truffle hunters
    during the season. Even here and at wholesale I generally have to pay
    about $1340 a kilo, so if I buy I buy what I need-- maybe from 15 grams
    to max 65 grams. So I don't recommend buying a fresh truffle to find
    out if truffles interest you.

    Quoted message said:

    To me they bear no resemblance to mushrooms, and I have had mushroom
    haters declare passionate love for truffles.

    Just to be clear here, you are talking about Italian white truffles --
    not black truffles (which are worthless in my opinion) or white
    truffles from North America (also worthless).

    White truffles are available in northern Italy during the season,
    which is about October to January. If you are in London,
    they are flown in from Italy to Borough Market. They are also
    available in major U.S. cities; in the SF Bay Area, Farmstead
    Wine and Cheese (in Alameda) has them, among others. But when
    buying them in the U.S. you must be careful that they are very
    fresh, and even then they will not be at their peak. A truffle
    loses its special aroma and flavors over the course of about five
    days, no matter how it is stored. (I prefer to wrap them in wax
    paper, then tightly in plastic). If you're lucky, an Italian
    truffle in the U.S. might be as little as two or three days old.

    White truffle oil preserves some (not all) of the fresh flavors of white
    truffles, but add some other flavor components that some people
    (including myself) dislike. It does however have a family resemblance
    to truffles so it may be a way of figuring out if you're interested
    in them.

    Steve

  7. Steve Pope said:

    Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I live in truffle country and half my neighbors are truffle hunters
    during the season. Even here and at wholesale I generally have to pay
    about $1340 a kilo, so if I buy I buy what I need-- maybe from 15 grams
    to max 65 grams. So I don't recommend buying a fresh truffle to find
    out if truffles interest you.

    Quoted message said:

    Just to be clear here, you are talking about Italian white truffles --
    not black truffles (which are worthless in my opinion) or white
    truffles from North America (also worthless).

    Mostly white, but the winter black is certainly not worthless and has a
    definite place. For one thing you can cook them as you cannot a white
    truffle.

    Quoted message said:


    White truffles are available in northern Italy during the season,
    which is about October to January.

    We wish. Those are possible parameters, but the season never lasts that
    long at least now. You can really only depend on >November and December
    if it rains. No rain, no truffles.

    I find there are very different qualities of oil, so I take people to
    the city truffle shop where the gentleman does only truffled things,
    truffles and porcini. He doesn't lie and sells for a fair price what we
    want. Which is no artificial flavors.

    Quoted message said:

    White truffle oil preserves some (not all) of the fresh flavors of white
    truffles, but add some other flavor components that some people
    (including myself) dislike. It does however have a family resemblance
    to truffles so it may be a way of figuring out if you're interested
    in them.

    Steve

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  8. Giusi said:

    Steve Pope wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Just to be clear here, you are talking about Italian white truffles --
    not black truffles (which are worthless in my opinion) or white
    truffles from North America (also worthless).

    Quoted message said:

    Mostly white, but the winter black is certainly not worthless and has a
    definite place. For one thing you can cook them as you cannot a white
    truffle.

    Cool. If had what were said to be good black truffles, cooked
    into an omelette or similar, and I didn't see the point. Perhaps
    they were not the real thing.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    White truffles are available in northern Italy during the season,
    which is about October to January.

    Quoted message said:

    We wish. Those are possible parameters, but the season never lasts that
    long at least now. You can really only depend on >November and December
    if it rains. No rain, no truffles.

    I'm lucky then; in an Italy visit during an October once, we had
    plenty of truffles, and also during a London visit in January we
    found some in the market (two vendors had them, actually).

    Steve

  9. Steve Pope said:
    Giusi said:

    Steve Pope wrote:

    Quoted message said:


    I'm lucky then; in an Italy visit during an October once, we had
    plenty of truffles, and also during a London visit in January we
    found some in the market (two vendors had them, actually).

    Steve


    Lucky in every way, then, because they are a luxury to anyone. Mind
    you, there's no way to know for sure that a truffle is Italians (or
    French) unless you are on the spot or a trusted person was when it was
    wholesaled in Italy. The Chinese ones look the same and are absolutely
    not. I was hired to come up with recipes to serve to chefs at tastings
    for marketing. I finally quit telling them the only way I could make
    them taste or smell like truffles was to put some truffle oil on them
    after plating.

    Know your dealer.... wow, that sounds like something I don't deal in.

    Anyway, during the season you often run into men with truffles in their
    pockets and one sniff, even the ugliest one suddenly looks good.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  10. Giusi said:

    Steve Pope wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm lucky then; in an Italy visit during an October once, we had
    plenty of truffles, and also during a London visit in January we
    found some in the market (two vendors had them, actually).

    Quoted message said:

    Lucky in every way, then, because they are a luxury to anyone. Mind
    you, there's no way to know for sure that a truffle is Italians (or
    French) unless you are on the spot or a trusted person was when it was
    wholesaled in Italy. The Chinese ones look the same and are absolutely
    not. I was hired to come up with recipes to serve to chefs at tastings
    for marketing. I finally quit telling them the only way I could make
    them taste or smell like truffles was to put some truffle oil on them
    after plating.

    Quoted message said:

    Know your dealer.... wow, that sounds like something I don't deal in.

    I'm pretty confident with the Italian vendors at Borough Market. The
    market runs Fri-Sat and they fly up from Italy each week
    with their product.

    Have never heard of Chinese white truffles. Here, there are Oregon
    ones. Not at all the same, but they look approximately correct.

    Steve

  11. (Steve Pope) said:
    Giusi said:
    Steve Pope said:

    I'm lucky then; in an Italy visit during an October once, we had
    plenty of truffles, and also during a London visit in January we
    found some in the market (two vendors had them, actually).


    Lucky in every way, then, because they are a luxury to anyone. Mind
    you, there's no way to know for sure that a truffle is Italians (or
    French) unless you are on the spot or a trusted person was when it was
    wholesaled in Italy. The Chinese ones look the same and are absolutely
    not. I was hired to come up with recipes to serve to chefs at tastings
    for marketing. I finally quit telling them the only way I could make
    them taste or smell like truffles was to put some truffle oil on them
    after plating.
    Know your dealer.... wow, that sounds like something I don't deal in.

    I'm pretty confident with the Italian vendors at Borough Market. The
    market runs Fri-Sat and they fly up from Italy each week
    with their product.

    Have never heard of Chinese white truffles. Here, there are Oregon
    ones. Not at all the same, but they look approximately correct.

    Steve

    The message about mushroom haters loving truffles is encouraging. I'm
    ready to try.

    Does anyone have a simple recipe using truffles or truffle oil to get
    a good example of what they are supposed to taste like? (BTW: I do
    love omelets).

    If I'm buying truffles or oil, what should I look for? While I don't
    want to spend a small fortune, I'm not worried about the price...if I
    don't like it, I'll just give it away.

    Your opinions are appreciated.

  12. Quoted message said:

    The message about mushroom haters loving truffles is encouraging. I'm
    ready to try.

    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone have a simple recipe using truffles or truffle oil to get
    a good example of what they are supposed to taste like? (BTW: I do
    love omelets).

    White Italian truffles are most often added at the very end --
    often grated at the table right onto the diner's plate. Steak al
    tartufo, or a simple pasta al tartufo, would be classic examples.
    I have grated truffle onto sliced roast beef. Excellent.

    There are exceptions, where you merge the truffles into a sauce,
    but for your first experiment I recommend the direct approach.

    Steve

  13. email hidden said:

    I've never tastedtruffles, truffle oil, or any other truffle
    product. It would probably be difficult to find a "fresh" truffle in
    this area, but because so many people rave about them, I'd like to
    try. I've Googled the subject and didn't find what I've been looking
    for.

    What do they taste like? Has anyone used wholetrufflesor truffle
    oil? They are quite expensive and I don't want to buy anything that I
    will throw out, regardless of price. (Food is sacred, you know).

    I don't like any type of mushroom. I don't like the taste, aroma, or
    texture, so if a truffle is similar, I won't bother.

    Please share your opinions and the ways you've tried them.


    I've had truffles from several countries in many ways. Each aroma in
    my opinion is different, and lends itself to distinctive dishes which
    are hard to replicate but substituting a different species.

    Don't assume truffles cannot be found nearby. The North American
    Truffling Society keeps voucher collections of material its members
    find, and a tremendous variety have been found already. I even have
    one named for me: Tuber wheeleri.

    If you have trees and shrubs you likely have truffles. They are
    symbiotic fungi (mutually beneficial) associated with hazel, chestnut,
    oak, willow, Douglas-fir, and many more.

    Tuber magnatum (Italian White truffle) tastes to me like: Tillamook
    (Oregon) dairy farm at high tide. Active ingredient methyl sulphide is
    also found in rotting seaweed/mud. When you think of seashore, the
    aroma is usually that of a truffle.<G>

    Tuber melanosporum (French Black truffle): a wonderfully complex of
    aromas centered around garlic and some cheeses. When very fresh, it
    can be heady stuff. It is also known to contain pheromones, and thus
    is truly an aphrodisiac.

    Terfezia arenaria (Desert truffle): very nice in corn chowder, tasting
    very similar to Oregon White truffle.

    Tuber gibbosum (Oregon White truffle): dried morel, fresh-roasted
    hazelnuts, Tillamook cheddar cheese, butter and sometimes garlic. A
    local chef now offers them at the end of the meal covered in white
    chocolate!

    Leucangium carthusiana (Oregon Black truffle): the best I have tried
    after T. melanosporum, teriffically complex, with elements of teriyaki
    beef jerky, pineapple, vinegar, dried morels, apple mash, coconut, and
    others. The taste literally can change in your mouth, leaving you
    begging for more!

    Tuber murinum (Oregon Pallid truffle): more cheesy than Oregon White
    truffle, but with more elements of a good wine, too.

    Tuber californicum (California Black truffle): more dusky flavored,
    woodsy, sometimes chocolate elements.

    Tuber wheeleri (Wheeler's truffle): nearly untasted and rarely
    collected: dried morels blended with mozzarella cheese and a hint of
    garlic.

    Tuber sphaerosporum: usually too small to take serioiusly, but
    sometimes with strong garlic overtones.

    Tuber lyonii: heady elements of green corn and nuts.

    Because truffles form underground, they have developed strong aromas
    which attract animals to dig and eat them. A truffle that is not eaten
    doesn't get spread in nature. The spores pass through animals'
    digestive tract, and are excreted some distance away. If near an
    appropriate tree or shrub, there may be sufficient spores to start a
    new truffle growing.

    All known truffles are mycorrhizal fungi. Many truffles detoxify soil,
    gather water and nutrients for their host trees/shrubs, and
    dramatically increase biodiversity. At least 60 known species of
    animals in the Pacific Northwest are known to eat truffles, based on
    the spores found in their feces.

    Daniel B. Wheeler

  14. Quoted message said:
    email hidden said:

    I've never tastedtruffles, truffle oil, or any other truffle
    product. It would probably be difficult to find a "fresh" truffle in
    this area, but because so many people rave about them, I'd like to
    try. I've Googled the subject and didn't find what I've been looking
    for.

    What do they taste like? Has anyone used wholetrufflesor truffle
    oil? They are quite expensive and I don't want to buy anything that I
    will throw out, regardless of price. (Food is sacred, you know).

    I don't like any type of mushroom. I don't like the taste, aroma, or
    texture, so if a truffle is similar, I won't bother.

    Please share your opinions and the ways you've tried them.


    I've had truffles from several countries in many ways. Each aroma in
    my opinion is different, and lends itself to distinctive dishes which
    are hard to replicate but substituting a different species.

    Quoted message said:

    Tuber magnatum (Italian White truffle) tastes to me like: Tillamook
    (Oregon) dairy farm at high tide. Active ingredient methyl sulphide is
    also found in rotting seaweed/mud. When you think of seashore, the
    aroma is usually that of a truffle.<G>

    Quoted message said:


    Tuber wheeleri (Wheeler's truffle): nearly untasted and rarely
    collected: dried morels blended with mozzarella cheese and a hint of
    garlic.

    Quoted message said:

    Daniel B. Wheeler


    Hi Mr. Wheeler, haven't seen you in years. Congrats on the naming. I'm
    still waiting to inspire someone to name a prickly plant after me.

    I know that you like the Oregon better than the Italian, but almost no
    one else really knows the Oregon white, so no one can argue that
    position. I really love the Italian white and the winter black, both
    French and Italian. Even the summer black is better than a poke in the
    eye. You just can't have the powerful expectations that the winter
    truffles engender.

    Cheddar cheese is almost non-existent here, only poor examples in very
    large cities, so Tillamook means nothing to me. I don't associate white
    truffles with the sea at all, but even less can I find mushroom in it.

    The absolute base recipe here for white truffle is grilled bread
    drizzled with great oil and truffle shaved over it. Everything else is
    elaboration, the one rule being NO garlic.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  15. Quoted message said:
    (Steve Pope) said:
    Giusi said:

    Steve Pope wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    The message about mushroom haters loving truffles is encouraging. I'm
    ready to try.

    Does anyone have a simple recipe using truffles or truffle oil to get
    a good example of what they are supposed to taste like? (BTW: I do
    love omelets).

    If I'm buying truffles or oil, what should I look for? While I don't
    want to spend a small fortune, I'm not worried about the price...if I
    don't like it, I'll just give it away.

    I have introduced beginners in the simplest ways. Bake a potato and
    dress it with salt, butter and a few drops of truffle oil. Make grilled
    bread and drizzle oil on it, salt and truffle oil. Sauté beaten-thin
    pork cutlets briefly and a drop or two of truffle oil. You'll either
    like it or not.

    To pick a truffle oil, look at the label. It should say olive oil,
    truffle and aroma of truffle. It should not say aroma or aromi or
    anything about artificial. The oils people sometimes hate use an
    artificial flavoring. To me it isn't as important that it be white or
    black as that it should be real. A bottle of oil may seem pricey-- it
    isn't very pricey here-- but kept cool and dark it can last a couple of
    years and is used drop by drop. You will use your imagination once you
    understand the product.

    I recently published an article at
    http://www.judithgreenwood.com/thinkonit/cutlets-of-pork-with-truffle-oil-and-sage-perfumed-rice/
    using truffle oil for a pork dish that was better than I'd hoped. It's
    not a first trial dish, but if you like truffles, it is probably one
    you'll enjoy and is both cheap and elegant to make. Copy and save it in
    case you become a truffle lover and can't afford $2680 a kilo!

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  16. Steve Pope said:
    Quoted message said:

    The message about mushroom haters loving truffles is encouraging. I'm
    ready to try.

    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone have a simple recipe using truffles or truffle oil to get
    a good example of what they are supposed to taste like? (BTW: I do
    love omelets).

    White Italian truffles are most often added at the very end --
    often grated at the table right onto the diner's plate. Steak al
    tartufo, or a simple pasta al tartufo, would be classic examples.
    I have grated truffle onto sliced roast beef. Excellent.

    There are exceptions, where you merge the truffles into a sauce,
    but for your first experiment I recommend the direct approach.

    Steve

    The Italian white truffle is very volatile and what makes it wonderful
    will disappear if it is cooked. Just the amount of warming involved in
    shaving it over hot food will release that cloud of pleasure (or
    disgust) that we love.

    For Thanksgiving one year I made roasted turkey breast with rosemary,
    concentrated the pan drippings into a natural sauce and shaved white
    truffles over each serving once plated. There were 8 truffle virgins at
    the table and every one of them fell in love instantly. My kid, who
    hates even a whiff of them, wasn't here.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  17. Giusi said:
    Quoted message said:
    (Steve Pope) said:

    Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > Steve Pope wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    The message about mushroom haters loving truffles is encouraging. I'm
    ready to try.

    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone have a simple recipe using truffles or truffle oil to get
    a good example of what they are supposed to taste like? (BTW: I do
    love omelets).

    Quoted message said:

    If I'm buying truffles or oil, what should I look for? While I don't
    want to spend a small fortune, I'm not worried about the price...if I
    don't like it, I'll just give it away.

    I have introduced beginners in the simplest ways. Bake a potato and
    dress it with salt, butter and a few drops of truffle oil. Make grilled
    bread and drizzle oil on it, salt and truffle oil. Sauté beaten-thin
    pork cutlets briefly and a drop or two of truffle oil. You'll either
    like it or not.

    To pick a truffle oil, look at the label. It should say olive oil,
    truffle and aroma of truffle. It should not say aroma or aromi or
    anything about artificial. The oils people sometimes hate use an
    artificial flavoring. To me it isn't as important that it be white or
    black as that it should be real. A bottle of oil may seem pricey-- it
    isn't very pricey here-- but kept cool and dark it can last a couple of
    years and is used drop by drop. You will use your imagination once you
    understand the product.

    I recently published an article athttp://www.judithgreenwood.com/thinkonit/cutlets-of-pork-with-truffle...
    using truffle oil for a pork dish that was better than I'd hoped. It's
    not a first trial dish, but if you like truffles, it is probably one
    you'll enjoy and is both cheap and elegant to make. Copy and save it in
    case you become a truffle lover and can't afford $2680 a kilo!

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

    This looks good. Pork, sage, spinach and rice sound like the perfect
    way to try truffle oil.

  18. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    This looks good. Pork, sage, spinach and rice sound like the perfect
    way to try truffle oil.

    I bought a jar of black truffles back in 2005. I remember they were very
    bland. Very easy for other flavors to overpower them and for the expense, I
    wasn't very happy with them.

    They were sealed in olive oil which may have sapped some flavor but even that
    was still mild.

    Andy

  19. Quoted message said:

    I've had truffles from several countries in many ways.

    Have you had fresh, in-season Italian white truffles in
    Italy?

    Steve

  20. (Steve Pope) said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've had truffles from several countries in many ways.

    Have you had fresh, in-season Italian white truffles in
    Italy?


    In Italy? No. In America? Yes. From a quality provider who sent them
    by next-day air? Yes. At $1300/lb. Yes. Were they good? NOOOO! Were
    they as good as a 5 kg. Tuber melanosporum pate brought back directly
    from France by Frank Evans? NOOO. And BTW over 3kg of that pate went
    back with Frank and Karen Evans, co-editors of The Cookbook of North
    American Truffles. The pate was fine. The truffles were, uh,
    underwelming. Nontheless, the fresh is still the 3rd best truffle in
    my opinion.

    So again the answer to your question is no. Probably about the same as
    your experience with the majority of truffles which have been found in
    the US: about 50 to date.

    Daniel B. Wheeler

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