question regarding soy neurotoxicity and vitamin e derived from soy

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I am trying to avoid vitamin e capsules that contain gelatin because of BSE concerns, but the only
ones that I can find are derived from soy. Given that there is some preliminary evidence to
suggest that soy products may cause dementia in males, I am wondering if vitamin E derived from
soy products would carry the same potential risk. I am trying to moderate soy consumption until
something more definative is found. Thanks in advance.

The same potential risk as what? The soy-dementia connection is apparently just a guess at this
point. You cannot compare undefined risks.

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the same neurotoxic risks that may be linked to eating soy products.

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the same neurotoxic risks that may be linked to eating soy products.

There is insufficient evidence to assign a risk. It is possible that soy products actually prevent
dementia. Don't worry so much - chronic stress may damage your brain too.

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Joe Legris

Joe Legris wrote...

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The same potential risk as what? The soy-dementia connection is apparently just a guess at this
point. You cannot compare undefined risks.

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Thanks for the link. Virginia and Mark have done a good job of summarizing and analyzing the issues.
I hope the anti-soy people will at least read and consider their arguments.

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is there really a group of people that are anti-soy? it seems that there
are much more pressings things to be angry about. Although it does seem
that some of the people here are very much pro-soy--almost to the point of
sounding a bit defensive when a question is asked! 🙂

This risk is non-existent will the materials needed to make capsule from soy based materials.

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the same neurotoxic risks that may be linked to eating soy products.

damned typos corected version "William A. Noyes" This risk is non-existent with the small amounts of
materials needed to make capsules from soy based materials.

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the same neurotoxic risks that may be linked to eating soy products.

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is there really a group of people that are anti-soy? it seems that there are much more pressings
things to be angry about. Although it does seem that some of the people here are very much pro-soy--
almost to the point of sounding a bit defensive when a question is asked! 🙂

There are both and those in between.

Here's some research I've found on soy:

? In 1991, Japanese researchers reported that consumption of
as little as 30 grams (approx. 2 tablespoons) of soybeans
per day for a one month resulted in a significant increase
in thyroid stimulating hormone. ? Soy consumption has been
linked to numerous disorders, including infertility,
increased cancer, and infantile leukemia; and, in studies
done dating back to the 1950s, that genistein (the
isoflavone in soy) causes endocrine disruption in animals. ?
In 1992 the Swiss health service estimated that 100 grams of
soy protein provided the estrogenic equivalent of the pill.
? The 1996 Puerto Rico Premature Thelarche study, found the
most significant

reported in the press- but soy formula. ? In1998 the New
Zealand government had issued a health warning about soy
infant formula, but although the FDA called for safety
specifications and monitoring, they have never been
performed. ? Genistein exerts estrogen-like effects in male
mouse reproductive tract. ? There is a significant
statistical relationship between two or more servings tofu
(soy) per week and "accelerated brain aging", and tofu
eaters look five years older ? Mothers who eat a vegetarian
diet during pregnancy (greater exposure to phytoestrogens in
soy foods popular with vegetarians) has a fivefold greater
risk of delivering a boy with hyposadias, a birth defect of
the penis.

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is there really a group of people that are anti-soy? it
seems that

there

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are much more pressings things to be angry about.
Although it does seem that some of the people here are
very much pro-soy--almost to the point

of

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sounding a bit defensive when a question is asked! 🙂

There are both and those in between.

Here's some research I've found on soy:

? In 1991, Japanese researchers reported that consumption of
as little as 30 grams (approx. 2 tablespoons) of soybeans
per day for a one month resulted in a significant increase
in thyroid stimulating hormone. ? Soy consumption has been
linked to numerous disorders, including infertility,
increased cancer, and infantile leukemia; and, in studies
done dating back to the 1950s, that genistein (the
isoflavone in soy) causes endocrine disruption in animals. ?
In 1992 the Swiss health service estimated that 100 grams of
soy protein provided the estrogenic equivalent of the pill.
? The 1996 Puerto Rico Premature Thelarche study, found the
most significant

reported in the press- but soy formula. ? In1998 the New
Zealand government had issued a health warning about soy
infant formula, but although the FDA called for safety
specifications and monitoring, they have never been
performed. ? Genistein exerts estrogen-like effects in male
mouse reproductive tract. ? There is a significant
statistical relationship between two or more servings tofu
(soy) per week and "accelerated brain aging", and tofu
eaters look five years older ? Mothers who eat a vegetarian
diet during pregnancy (greater exposure to phytoestrogens in
soy foods popular with vegetarians) has a fivefold greater
risk of delivering a boy with hyposadias, a birth defect of
the penis.

To your health, [email hidden]
www.lisah.awarenesslife.com

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damned typos corected version "William A. Noyes" This risk
is non-existent with the small amounts of materials needed
to make capsules from soy based materials.

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the same neurotoxic risks that may be linked to eating
soy products.

Lisa why don't you post the Pubmed abstract numbers for
us since you say you did the research. Anything from
that source?

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Here's some research I've found on soy:

? In 1991, Japanese researchers reported that consumption
of as little as

30

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grams (approx. 2 tablespoons) of soybeans per day for a
one month resulted in a significant increase in thyroid
stimulating hormone. ? Soy consumption has been linked to
numerous disorders, including infertility, increased
cancer, and infantile leukemia; and, in studies

done

Quoted message said:

dating back to the 1950s, that genistein (the isoflavone
in soy) causes endocrine disruption in animals. ? In
1992 the Swiss health service estimated that 100 grams
of soy protein provided the estrogenic equivalent of the
pill. ? The 1996 Puerto Rico Premature Thelarche study,
found the most

significant

Quoted message said:

reported in the press- but soy formula. ? In1998 the New
Zealand government had issued a health warning about soy
infant formula, but although the FDA called for safety
specifications and monitoring, they have never been
performed. ? Genistein exerts estrogen-like effects in
male mouse reproductive tract. ? There is a significant
statistical relationship between two or more servings tofu
(soy) per week and "accelerated brain aging", and tofu

eaters

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look five years older ? Mothers who eat a vegetarian diet
during pregnancy (greater exposure to phytoestrogens in
soy foods popular with vegetarians) has a fivefold

greater

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risk of delivering a boy with hyposadias, a birth defect
of the penis.

To your health, [email hidden]
www.lisah.awarenesslife.com

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damned typos corrected version "William A. Noyes" This
risk is non-existent with the small amounts of materials
needed to make capsules from soy based materials.

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> the same neurotoxic risks that may be linked to
> eating soy products.

William, here are a couple of articles I came across. I'm not familiar with
the Pubmed abstract numbers however.
Hope this is helpful:
1) JAMA Vol.288, No. 3, July 17, 2002
2) Tragedy and Hype: The 3rd International Soy Symposium-
Part II
3) G Matrone et al, Effect of Genistin on Growth and
Development of the Male Mouse, Journal of Nutrition,
1956, 235-240.
4) A Cassidy, et al. Biological Effects of a Diet of Soy....
American J. of Clinical Nutrition, 1994, 60: 333-340.
5) K D setchell et al, Isoflavone content of infant formulas
and the metabolic fate of these early phytoestrogens in
early life, Amer. J. of clinicial Nutrition, Dec. 2998
Supplement 1453S-1461S.
6) Menopausal Estrogen and Estrogen-Progestin Replacement
Therapy and Breast Cancer Risk. JAMA 200, 283:485-491.
7) Allred, C.D. et al. Soy diets containing varying amounts
of genistein stimulate growth of estrogen-dependent (MCF-
7) tumors in a dose-dependent manner. Cancer Research
61, 5045-5050, July 1, 2001. I've compiled the info I
posted from these sources and some from others. lisa

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Lisa why don't you post the Pubmed abstract numbers for
us since you say you did the research. Anything from
that source?

"Lisa Hangs" <lisa.hangsATsasktel.net> wrote in message
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Here's some research I've found on soy:

? In 1991, Japanese researchers reported that
consumption of as little

as

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30

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grams (approx. 2 tablespoons) of soybeans per day for a
one month

resulted

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in a significant increase in thyroid stimulating
hormone. ? Soy consumption has been linked to numerous
disorders, including infertility, increased cancer, and
infantile leukemia; and, in studies

done

Quoted message said:

dating back to the 1950s, that genistein (the isoflavone
in soy) causes endocrine disruption in animals. ? In
1992 the Swiss health service estimated that 100 grams
of soy

protein

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provided the estrogenic equivalent of the pill. ?
The 1996 Puerto Rico Premature Thelarche study,
found the most

significant

as

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Quoted message said:

reported in the press- but soy formula. ? In1998 the New
Zealand government had issued a health warning about

soy

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infant formula, but although the FDA called for safety
specifications

and

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monitoring, they have never been performed. ? Genistein
exerts estrogen-like effects in male mouse reproductive

tract.

Quoted message said:

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? There is a significant statistical relationship
between two or more servings tofu (soy) per week and
"accelerated brain aging", and tofu

eaters

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look five years older ? Mothers who eat a vegetarian
diet during pregnancy (greater exposure

to

Quoted message said:

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phytoestrogens in soy foods popular with vegetarians)
has a fivefold

greater

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risk of delivering a boy with hyposadias, a birth defect
of the penis.

To your health, [email hidden]
www.lisah.awarenesslife.com

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risk is non-existent with the small amounts of
materials needed to make capsules from soy based
materials.

> <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5e6572ec6a4e9-
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> > the same neurotoxic risks that may be linked to
> > eating soy

products.

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In sci.med.nutrition Lisa Hangs <lisa.hangsATsasktel.net> wrote or quoted:

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William, here are a couple of articles I came across. I'm
not familiar with the Pubmed abstract numbers however.

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Hope this is helpful:
1) JAMA Vol.288, No. 3, July 17, 2002
2) Tragedy and Hype: The 3rd International Soy Symposium-
Part II
3) G Matrone et al, Effect of Genistin on Growth and
Development of the Male Mouse, Journal of Nutrition,
1956, 235-240.
4) A Cassidy, et al. Biological Effects of a Diet of
Soy.... American J. of Clinical Nutrition, 1994, 60:
333-340.
5) K D setchell et al, Isoflavone content of infant
formulas and the metabolic fate of these early
phytoestrogens in early life, Amer. J. of clinicial
Nutrition, Dec. 2998 Supplement 1453S-1461S.
6) Menopausal Estrogen and Estrogen-Progestin Replacement
Therapy and Breast Cancer Risk. JAMA 200, 283:485-491.
7) Allred, C.D. et al. Soy diets containing varying
amounts of genistein stimulate growth of estrogen-
dependent (MCF-7) tumors in a dose-dependent manner.
Cancer Research 61, 5045-5050, July 1, 2001.

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