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  1. Just a random question here: if someone took another person's blood and added it to Vino's test tube after taking Vino's blood, would it be possible to tell that it was added afterwards and not in Vino's body?

    Not saying Vino's innocent but it does seem very strange that he'd use THIS particular type of doping. It's so easy to tell that someone else's blood is in there that it makes no sense for a pro to do this. So just wondering if it'd even be possible to tell when the foreign blood was added.

  2. donrhummy said:

    Just a random question here: if someone took another person's blood and added it to Vino's test tube after taking Vino's blood, would it be possible to tell that it was added afterwards and not in Vino's body?

    Not saying Vino's innocent but it does seem very strange that he'd use THIS particular type of doping. It's so easy to tell that someone else's blood is in there that it makes no sense for a pro to do this. So just wondering if it'd even be possible to tell when the foreign blood was added.

    His sample from stage 15 has also turned in positive for two types of red blood cells I'm affraid.

  3. Yes, I also thought that homologous blood doping was a pretty stupid thing to do - too easy to spot. Sure, slipping in foreign blood after the fact is doable. It would be interesting to isolate the foreign cells, and see if they were of the same basic blood type. If Vino has type B blood, and the foreign cells are type A, such a transfusion could be deadly, and certainly wouldn't be performance enhancing. (admittedly, this is kool aid sipping at it's best)

    If you want to take the conspiracy approach, the question is - who would stand to gain from that happening? No one in cycling, this hurts everyone.

    OTOH, it could also be a sad case of a fading star grasping for one last chance at glory.

  4. JohnO said:

    Yes, I also thought that homologous blood doping was a pretty stupid thing to do - too easy to spot. Sure, slipping in foreign blood after the fact is doable. It would be interesting to isolate the foreign cells, and see if they were of the same basic blood type. If Vino has type B blood, and the foreign cells are type A, such a transfusion could be deadly, and certainly wouldn't be performance enhancing. (admittedly, this is kool aid sipping at it's best)

    If you want to take the conspiracy approach, the question is - who would stand to gain from that happening? No one in cycling, this hurts everyone.

    OTOH, it could also be a sad case of a fading star grasping for one last chance at glory.


    Of course, any lab that can check for blood doping can probably do a simple blood type check and taint the sample with blood of the same type! 😉

    No, I don't believe in these conspiracies.

  5. Keep in mind also that a year or two back, Tyler Hamilton proclaimed that the test for homologous blood doping was no longer being used. So it's conceivable a rider (and his doctor, and coach, etc.) may not have even known that the test would be run.

  6. kennf said:

    Keep in mind also that a year or two back, Tyler Hamilton proclaimed that the test for homologous blood doping was no longer being used. So it's conceivable a rider (and his doctor, and coach, etc.) may not have even known that the test would be run.


    I posted some info last night that someone on DPF is claiming that there are only two WADA accredited labs that can do the homologous blood doping test--at least there used to be. The Swiss lab was the original one in Europe and the LNDD recently started doing this sort of testing. Vino may have not been aware that the LNDD can now test for foreign blood.

  7. here's what Vino said...

    "It's a mistake. I never doped, that's not the way I see my profession.

    "I think it's a mistake in part due to my crash. I have spoken to the team doctors who had a hypothesis that there was an enormous amount of blood in my thighs, which could have led to my positive test.

    "I heard that I made a transfusion with my father's blood. That's absurd, I can tell you that with his blood, I would have tested positive for vodka."

    from the eurosport website, link is

    uk.eurosport.yahoo.comtour de france positive test report.html

  8. trucker39 said:

    here's what Vino said...

    "It's a mistake. I never doped, that's not the way I see my profession.

    "I think it's a mistake in part due to my crash. I have spoken to the team doctors who had a hypothesis that there was an enormous amount of blood in my thighs, which could have led to my positive test.

    "I heard that I made a transfusion with my father's blood. That's absurd, I can tell you that with his blood, I would have tested positive for vodka."

    from the eurosport website, link is

    uk.eurosport.yahoo.comtour de france positive test report.html


    Lots of good doping data in that article for Doctor House to cut and paste. 😄

  9. jsull14 said:

    Lots of good doping data in that article for Doctor House to cut and paste. 😄

    To your ceiling. Yes.

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    Mooo!

  10. Vino got busted the same way Tyler did. They targeted him for blood tests. He guessed he would only get urine tests.

  11. snood said:

    Vino got busted the same way Tyler did. They targeted him for blood tests. He guessed he would only get urine tests.

    He won the stage. Dont they always do a bloodtest then?

  12. Trajectum said:

    He won the stage. Dont they always do a bloodtest then?

    No.

  13. Doctor.House said:

    No.

    Funny how you started out as a nutter that no one wanted to listen and now you've become the voice of reason !

  14. whiteboytrash said:

    Funny how you started out as a nutter that no one wanted to listen and now you've become the voice of reason !

    Pretty pathetic and I was nearly banned for my lucid posts.

    Brutal honesty frightens most people.

    But we can enjoy it WBT.

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