Question on liver cleansing

"Grillox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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hi, I have a multitude of allergy related ailments,
asthma, eczema, hayfever, rhinitis etc. etc.

So do I. I went to an allergy doctor and found out exactly
what I was allergic to (tree pollen, horses, cats, weeds and
grass pollen, nicotine, and nickel metal --- the latter
being the cause of the eczema).

So I have a prescription for Allegra (but I use a generic
form of Benadryl at night)... PLUS I know how to avoid many
of the allergens, nickel in particular.... and I also wash
my hands after being outside or near cats (keep the stuff
out of my eyes, and even managed to live with a cat for
almost 20 years without much affect by washing after
touching him), and to avoid horse hair (which is old
upholstery). Also, as finances got better... we put in a
furnace with an electrostatic filter and a whole house
central vacuum system (throws the dust OUTside, not out the
back end and back into the room).

Also my workplace went smokefree a L..O..N..G time ago, that
helped more than you can know (did catch one guy walking
down the hallway in front of me with a lit cigarette that he
was trying to hide... so I asked him if he was so daft as to
think that no one would smell it).

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a friend of mine has recomended that I do a liver cleanse
and all these problems will go away. this to me sounds too
good to be true.

If it sounds too good to be true... it is.

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before i do my week on apple juice and then the actual
cleansing with epson salts, grapefruit juice, olive oil
(can't wait) can anyone tell me their own experience, how
they felt before, during and after?

That is a bunch of bunk.

1) Even with my layman's understanging of human anatomy, I
don't see how that "diet" affects the liver (perhaps
your intenstinal tract).

2) Allergies are caused by a miscue in your immune system
(it is a bit over wired - your body is trying to protect
you from TOO many things), and that h as nothing to do
with the liver.

The only diet changes I make during my major allergy season
(early spring) is to avoid beer (the allergy doctor told me
that beer has histamines, and that it could worsen my
symptoms).

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hi, I have a multitude of allergy related ailments,
asthma, eczema, hayfever, rhinitis etc. etc.

a friend of mine has recomended that I do a liver cleanse
and all these problems will go away. this to me sounds too
good to be true.

before i do my week on apple juice and then the actual
cleansing with epson salts, grapefruit juice, olive oil
(can't wait) can anyone tell me their own experience, how
they felt before, during and after?

It worked fantastically for me , but my problem was
gallstones not allergies or the other problems you have .
Why not find a good MD / Alternative doctor and do the
cleanse with their guidance ?, there may be other things
you also need to do. I still do the cleanse to help keep
my liver as healthy as possible . Now wait for all the
know it alls who will tell you I am stupid and so is my
doctor , because they will say it doesn't work . Most
likely they will not be coming from a basis of personal
experience so their opinions are rather pointless .
Personal anecdotal testimonies are only as valid as the
person making them . I have no reason to lie to you , if
it didn't work for me I would say so . You will just have
to make up your own mind about this sort of stuff . The
question you also need to ask yourself is , "what do I
have to lose by doing this ? " Bew ,,

I can second Bew's comments.

Do the dirty deed on a friday before you weekend. Eat a non-
fat breakfast and only a piece of fruit at lunch IIRC. Take
you epsom salts solution that evening. Take the grapefruit
solution at 10 and go to bed immediately. We wake up at 6 am
and take the second last dose, fall asleep and the last one
at 8. You'll be eating a piece of fruit at 10 and small
meals that morning. Normal eating will resume Saturday
afternoon.

Diarhea? Was a piece of cake. None during the night at all.
No cramps but lots of turquoise balls in the toilet. Felt
like I was soooo healthy for a few days. My head fog cleared
up and I felt wonderful. My wife didn't notice this as much
but she doesn't have the symptoms like I do.

WE have done this about 5-6 times each for gallstones. It
didn't work in my wife's case, She had her gallbladder out
anyway...hard as a rock and full of stones and scar tissue.
Was too late as she did low fat diets for years and killed
her gallbladder already.

I cannot stand the epsom salt solution and actually like
the grapefruit/olive oil mix but my wife was the other
way around.

What do you have to lose? $2 worth of supplies? We didn't do
the apple juice prep.

Best of luck. You will laugh how easy it is after. "Bew"
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"Grillox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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hi, I have a multitude of allergy related ailments,
asthma, eczema, hayfever, rhinitis etc. etc.

a friend of mine has recomended that I do a liver
cleanse and all these problems will go away. this to me
sounds too good to be true.

before i do my week on apple juice and then the actual
cleansing with epson salts, grapefruit juice, olive oil
(can't wait) can anyone tell me their own experience,
how they felt before, during and after?

It worked fantastically for me , but my problem was
gallstones not

allergies

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or the other problems you have . Why not find a good MD /
Alternative

doctor

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and do the cleanse with their guidance ?, there may be
other things you

also

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need to do. I still do the cleanse to help keep my liver
as healthy as possible . Now wait for all the know it alls
who will tell you I am stupid and so is

my

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doctor , because they will say it doesn't work . Most
likely they will not be coming from a basis of personal
experience so their opinions are rather pointless .
Personal anecdotal testimonies are only as valid as the
person making them

.

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I have no reason to lie to you , if it didn't work for me
I would say so . You will just have to make up your own
mind about this sort of stuff . The question you also need
to ask yourself is , "what do I have to lose by

doing

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this ? " Bew ,,

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"Grillox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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hi, I have a multitude of allergy related ailments,
asthma, eczema, hayfever, rhinitis etc. etc.

a friend of mine has recomended that I do a liver
cleanse and all these problems will go away. this to me
sounds too good to be true.

before i do my week on apple juice and then the actual
cleansing with epson salts, grapefruit juice, olive oil
(can't wait) can anyone tell me their own experience,
how they felt before, during and after?

It worked fantastically for me , but my problem was
gallstones not

allergies

Quoted message said:

or the other problems you have . Why not find a good MD /
Alternative

doctor

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and do the cleanse with their guidance ?, there may be
other things you

also

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need to do. I still do the cleanse to help keep my liver
as healthy as possible . Now wait for all the know it alls
who will tell you I am stupid and so is

my

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doctor , because they will say it doesn't work . Most
likely they will not be coming from a basis of personal
experience so their opinions are rather pointless .
Personal anecdotal testimonies are only as valid as the
person making them

.

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I have no reason to lie to you , if it didn't work for me
I would say so .

Of course you and Gymmy are not lying, and you felt a lot
better after the "cleanse". People usually feel better after
any medical treatment at all, and one that produces lots of
brightly coloured globules in the faeces is bound to be very
gratifying.

We sceptics merely query what the globules are, as has been
discussed here many times before.

That discussion need not reflect on you unless you let it.

There are three different ways of looking at something like
this. What is the science of it? What are the ethics of
advising such treatments for serious illnesses? What can
such a treatment mean to the consumer? Only the first two
should bother the sceptic. The consumer is always right, so
long as they understand certain limitations to that
"rightness".

Peter Moran

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"Grillox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> hi, I have a multitude of allergy related ailments,
> asthma, eczema, hayfever, rhinitis etc. etc.
>
> a friend of mine has recomended that I do a liver
> cleanse and all these problems will go away. this to
> me sounds too good to be true.
>
> before i do my week on apple juice and then the
> actual cleansing with epson salts, grapefruit juice,
> olive oil (can't wait) can anyone tell me their own
> experience, how they felt before, during and after?

It worked fantastically for me , but my problem was
gallstones not

allergies

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or the other problems you have . Why not find a good MD
/ Alternative

doctor

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and do the cleanse with their guidance ?, there may be
other things you

also

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need to do. I still do the cleanse to help keep my
liver as healthy as possible . Now wait for all the
know it alls who will tell you I am stupid and so

is

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my

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doctor , because they will say it doesn't work . Most
likely they will

not

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be coming from a basis of personal experience so their
opinions are

rather

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pointless . Personal anecdotal testimonies are only as
valid as the person making

them

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.

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I have no reason to lie to you , if it didn't work for
me I would say

so .

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Of course you and Gymmy are not lying, and you felt a lot
better after

the

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"cleanse". People usually feel better after any medical
treatment at

all,

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and one that produces lots of brightly coloured globules
in the faeces

is

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bound to be very gratifying.

Hardly, it is how one feels psysically. Neither is it
imagined.

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We sceptics merely query what the globules are, as has
been discussed

here

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many times before.

These same sketpics are brainwashed orgnaized medicine
members, who just

can't

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make a move until every last detail is proven.

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That discussion need not reflect on you unless you
let it.

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There are three different ways of looking at something
like this. What

is

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the science of it? What are the ethics of advising such
treatments for serious illnesses? What can such a
treatment mean to the consumer?

Did you mention ethics?!?!

AFTER the ethics you showed us when Dr Wilson KILLED Jesse
Gelsinger,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,-
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,

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The consumer is always right, so long as they understand
certain limitations to that "rightness".

Peter Moran

Or just KISS, try it and see for yourself. <GASP> no
improvements would

ever

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have been made it we all waited until it is proven.

It is amazing how the skeptics are sooooooooooo concerned
about a simple

thing

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as a liver cleasnse,

It is not so simple. The only reason I am here is that some
nutcases (never any of the many MDs) within alternative
medicine are pretending that this kind of feel-good ritual
will help patients get over cancer and other serious
illnesses. It won't, and it is not at all healthy for a lot
of people to be believing so much stuff that is just not so.

Is this your usual reflex thing, or are you prepared to
argue that the waxy globules are gallstones and that the
removal of such has significant effects upon health?

Peter Moran

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It is not so simple. The only reason I am here is that
some nutcases (never any of the many MDs) within
alternative medicine are pretending

that

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this kind of feel-good ritual will help patients get over
cancer and other serious illnesses. It won't, and it is
not at all healthy for a lot of people to be believing so
much stuff that is just not so.

Is this your usual reflex thing, or are you prepared to
argue that the

waxy

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globules are gallstones and that the removal of such has
significant

effects

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upon health?

Peter Moran

.................... As I have said before my doctor
certainly knows gallstones when he sees them
. Your problem is that you cannot accept anyone elses
version of an event , your narrow minded blinkered vision
only accepts things told to you by the drug companies . If
proving it is so important to you , then do the experiment
yourself or get a volunteer . Pretty simple challenge
really , let us know how you got on . ............

These people will never believe themselves! It doesn't
matter how well it works if the doctor doesn't say so (with
his two years of college) then it just ain't so.

What is the herbal supplement for "a mind of your own"?

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It is not so simple. The only reason I am here is that
some nutcases (never any of the many MDs) within
alternative medicine are pretending

that

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this kind of feel-good ritual will help patients get
over cancer and

other

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serious illnesses. It won't, and it is not at all
healthy for a lot

of

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people to be believing so much stuff that is just
not so.

Is this your usual reflex thing, or are you prepared to
argue that the

waxy

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globules are gallstones and that the removal of such has
significant

effects

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upon health?

Peter Moran

.................... As I have said before my doctor
certainly knows gallstones when he sees

them

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. Your problem is that you cannot accept anyone elses
version of an event

,

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your narrow minded blinkered vision only accepts things
told to you by the drug companies . If proving it is so
important to you , then do the experiment yourself or get
a volunteer . Pretty simple challenge really , let us know
how you got on . ............

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Subject: Re: Question on liver cleansing From: "Bew"
qw@nonamewhatsover Date: 4/14/2004 10:05 AM Pacific
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As I have said before my doctor certainly knows
gallstones when he sees

them

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hmmmm....I seriously doubt that....very few doctors have
actually SEEN gallstones...even surgeons who remove
gallbladders usually don't take

the

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time

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and effort to LOOK at such things...they DO go to
pathology...which is

the

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only

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place it can be confirmed that they ARE in fact from the
gallbladder

so bringing in a jar filled with turquoise globs...and
looking and

saying

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"yep...these are gallstones??" don't think so....

what kind of a "doctor" is this again??

hawki.....

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Whatever , ,,, as usual , you simply bore me . Now you are
insulting

doctors

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by telling them they wouldn't know a gallstone from a
kneecap , my god you are dim witted person . Reply if you
like but I won't see it , end of conversation .
..........................

One thing you can say about Bew, s/h/it has never found a
question that
s/h/it can answer.

Must have been taking lessons from Bush's press
conference....