Question on Gears

"Giant ATX 860" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and on the smallest ring at the back ie : the
hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on the chain
guard, and with a smooth feel like any other gear ?

I have Deore LX groupset cheers

No.

Giant ATX 860 said:

Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and on the smallest ring at the back ie : the
hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on the chain
guard, and with a smooth feel like any other gear ?

Yes.

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Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and

on

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the smallest ring at the back ie : the hardest to pedal
gear, without

any

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rubbing on the chain guard, and with a smooth feel like
any other gear ?

I have Deore LX groupset cheers

No.

Can I change my answer? I mis-read the question...

In theory - Yes, in practice - who feckin' knows I've had
enough mech fettlin' over the last few days and not even on
my own bike.

Steve.

Giant ATX 860 said:

Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and on the smallest ring at the back ie : the
hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on the chain
guard, and with a smooth feel like any other gear ?

I have Deore LX groupset cheers

As someone else stated, in theory, yes, in practice,
maybe not.

My expereince has been that 3 out of 4 times the gears get
tuned, you can't get all gears working without FD rub. Once,
and only once, when I had a really good tech tune my gears,
did I get all gears running smoothly without any rub.
However, that was on an 8 speed set. On my 2 9 speed bikes,
one a Deore set, the other XTR, I get rub.

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Giant ATX 860 said:

Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and on the smallest ring at the back ie : the
hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on the chain
guard, and with a smooth feel like any other gear ?

I have Deore LX groupset cheers

As someone else stated, in theory, yes, in practice,
maybe not.

My expereince has been that 3 out of 4 times the gears get
tuned, you

can't

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get all gears working without FD rub. Once, and only once,
when I had a really good tech tune my gears, did I get all
gears running smoothly

without

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any rub. However, that was on an 8 speed set. On my 2 9
speed bikes, one a Deore set, the other XTR, I get rub.

Mine's just fine and dandy in any combo w/regard to
chain rub.

Shaun aRe

Giant ATX 860 said:

Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and on the smallest ring at the back ie : the
hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on the chain
guard, and with a smooth feel like any other gear ?

I have Deore LX groupset

Nothing about an LX kit that would keep you from preventing
rubbing the chain "on the chain guard" (I assume you're
talking about the front derailleur cage).

But what you may be experiencing is frame flex, not
component problems. If your seat tube/bottom bracket flexes
when you're out of the saddle, it can deflect the front
derailleur enough to cause the chain to rub on the FD cage.

Barring that, most times when the problem is in the big
ring/small cog, you can correct it by rotating the tail
of the FD cage out (away from the centerline of the
bike) a little.

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Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and on the smallest ring at the back ie : the
hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on the chain
guard, and with a smooth feel like any other gear ?

Isn't that called cross chaining? I thought it put undue
stress on the drive train and your chain. I've always been
taught to use alternative gearing ( second chain ring for
starters) if that's where you want to put your gearing?

penny

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"Giant ATX 860" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring
> at the front, and on the smallest ring at the back ie
> : the hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on
> the chain guard, and with a smooth feel like any other
> gear ?
>

Isn't that called cross chaining? I thought it put undue
stress on the

drive

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train and your chain. I've always been taught to use
alternative gearing ( second chain ring for starters) if
that's where you want to put your gearing?

I think that's how Steve read it the first time before
correcting himself, but no, it's not - he's talking about
highest gear - biggest ring fronts, smallest at back. HTH.

Shaun aRe

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> "Giant ATX 860" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest
>> ring at the front, and on the smallest ring at the
>> back ie : the hardest to pedal gear, without any
>> rubbing on the chain guard, and with a smooth feel
>> like any other gear ?
>>

Isn't that called cross chaining? I thought it put undue
stress on the

drive

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train and your chain. I've always been taught to use
alternative gearing

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second chain ring for starters) if that's where you want
to put your gearing?

I think that's how Steve read it the first time before
correcting himself, but no, it's not - he's talking about
highest gear - biggest ring fronts, smallest at back. HTH.

Dammit I was just about to point and laugh HaHa, what fool
would make such a schoolboy error.

Steve.

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>> "Giant ATX 860" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>> Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest
>>> ring at the

front,

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>>> and on the smallest ring at the back ie : the
>>> hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on the
>>> chain guard, and with a smooth feel like any other
>>> gear ?
>>>

Isn't that called cross chaining? I thought it put
undue stress on the

drive

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train and your chain. I've always been taught to use
alternative

gearing

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second chain ring for starters) if that's where you
want to put your gearing?

I think that's how Steve read it the first time before
correcting

himself,

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but no, it's not - he's talking about highest gear -
biggest ring

fronts,

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smallest at back. HTH.

Dammit I was just about to point and laugh HaHa, what fool
would make such

a

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schoolboy error.

Happy to pull the rug from under you, matey >',;~}~

Shaun aRe

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Giant ATX 860 said:

Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and

on

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the smallest ring at the back ie : the hardest to pedal
gear, without any rubbing on the chain guard, and with a
smooth feel like any other gear ?

I have Deore LX groupset

Nothing about an LX kit that would keep you from
preventing rubbing the chain "on the chain guard" (I
assume you're talking about the front derailleur cage).

But what you may be experiencing is frame flex, not
component problems. If your seat tube/bottom bracket
flexes when you're out of the saddle, it can deflect the
front derailleur enough to cause the chain to rub on the
FD cage.

Barring that, most times when the problem is in the big
ring/small cog, you can correct it by rotating the tail
of the FD cage out (away from the centerline of the bike)
a little.

Yep, after running 9 spd for however long I've finally got
the front derailer angled to where I get no rub in any
combos I use.

Greg

Giant ATX 860 said:

Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and on the smallest ring at the back ie : the
hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on the chain
guard, and with a smooth feel like any other gear ?

Sorry - misread - big at front and small at back it top
gear. Should be just fine...
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Giant ATX 860 said:

Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and on the smallest ring at the back ie : the
hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on the chain
guard, and with a smooth feel like any other gear ?

Why would you want to?
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Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and on the smallest ring at the back ie : the
hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on the chain
guard, and with a smooth feel like any other gear ?

I have Deore LX groupset cheers

Turn it into a singlespeed.

JD problem solved

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Giant ATX 860 said:

Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and on the smallest ring at the back ie : the
hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on the chain
guard, and with a smooth feel like any other gear ?

I have Deore LX groupset cheers

As someone else stated, in theory, yes, in practice,
maybe not.

My expereince has been that 3 out of 4 times the gears
get tuned, you can't get all gears working without FD
rub. Once, and only once, when I had a really good tech
tune my gears, did I get all gears running smoothly
without any rub. However, that was on an 8 speed set. On
my 2 9 speed bikes, one a Deore set, the other XTR, I
get rub.

Mine's just fine and dandy in any combo w/regard to
chain rub.

Shaun aRe

I should have read the post more closely. I have no issues
with rub when using large to small, my problems relate to
cross-chaining(large to large, small to small)

Though I know this puts more stress on the gear components,
I have been told that one can indeed tune a 9 gear to have
absolutely no rub no matter what gear you use.

Getting it prefect is my goal. At the present, I am too much
of a novice to tune the gears to perfection myself. Hell, if
I try to tune my gears, I usually end up going over to my
LBS to get them to remedy the mess I made. And my current
LBS' tech doesn't seem to be able to tune without getting
rub from cross-chaining.

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Giant ATX 860 wrote:
> Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring
> at the front, and on the smallest ring at the back ie
> : the hardest to pedal gear, without any rubbing on
> the chain guard, and with a smooth feel like any other
> gear ?
>
> I have Deore LX groupset cheers

As someone else stated, in theory, yes, in practice,
maybe not.

My expereince has been that 3 out of 4 times the gears
get tuned, you can't get all gears working without FD
rub. Once, and only once, when I had a really good tech
tune my gears, did I get all gears running smoothly
without any rub. However, that was on an 8 speed set.
On my 2 9 speed bikes, one a Deore set, the other XTR,
I get rub.

Mine's just fine and dandy in any combo w/regard to
chain rub.

Shaun aRe

I should have read the post more closely. I have no issues
with rub when using large to small, my problems relate to
cross-chaining(large to large, small to small)

Which are two no-no combo's unless you want significantly
(IME) excellerated chain and gear wear.

Having said that however, I get no cage/chain rub in
those combo's anyhow (XT rear mech, LX conventional pull
front mech).

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Though I know this puts more stress on the gear
components, I have been

*told

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that one can indeed tune a 9 gear to have absolutely no
rub no matter what gear you use.

*I know this to be fact.

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Getting it prefect is my goal. At the present, I am too
much of a novice

to

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tune the gears to perfection myself. Hell, if I try to
tune my gears, I usually end up going over to my LBS to
get them to remedy the mess I made. And my current LBS'
tech doesn't seem to be able to tune without getting

rub

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from cross-chaining.

I have never had a satisfactory set-up from an LBS, new
bike, or new tune up, which is why I do all the
tweaking myself.

It did take me quite some time to learn how best to set up a
front mech, though, and I find mine have always worked best
when I set the cage (via seat tube clamp) higher on the tube
than [censored]-man-no! recommend.

Trial and error, with some logical common sense, a good
eye, and a little foreknowledge, is a damned good
teacher, IMNSHO!

Cheers!

Shaun aRe

Yes.

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Should I be able to have my chain on the biggest ring at
the front, and

on

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the smallest ring at the back ie : the hardest to pedal
gear, without

any

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rubbing on the chain guard, and with a smooth feel like
any other gear ?

The chain might be bent