Question for Mozz:

Mozz said:

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When you become a perfect Buddhist, then I will pay attention to your
judgments.

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Why will you only pay attention to someone when they are 'perfect'?

Because I only truly believe in one Truth; the rest is up for complete
review and abandonment.

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Did Jesus only entertain 'perfect' people or did he take every manner
of person into his confidence?

I'm not Jesus.

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It is not for me to judge you - I merely ask you if you are behaving
contrary to Christ's commandments.

I am certain, as you are, that I have, that I will and that I will
continue to be imperfect.

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Until then, you have your god, I have mine and the only real concerns
I have are between Him and me.

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I have no God. I do not believe in a God.
Perhaps it was God's Will that I be sent to question you?

So be it.

I for one, especially in these rather troubling times, would not know
what to do without my God.

And an occasional Blimpie's with a friend.

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:24:26 -0400, Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]>

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You keep saying...

Until you answer the questions regarding your quad bypass, your
smoking, your obesity and why, with all the information known to you,
by your own admission, you nearly killed yourself with a lousy diet,
gluttony, excesses and no exercise, you can keep your hands off your
keyboard and in your pants.

It will be the only thing you will have left to play with, Cheffie.
I'm no longer interested in your pitiful TROLLING and useless
demagoguery.

Mozz said:

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Depends on your definition of proof. I have all the proof I need. None
to little of which you would be able to comprehend since you have no
Faith in Christ.

Proof denies Faith, and without Faith God is nothing.

Mortal proof denies or substantiates nothing about God and has no
relevance, to Him or me, when Faith is the completion of the equation.

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You are correct. I have no Faith in your interpretation of the Word.

Why should you? You deny God's very existence.

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MOF, the fact that there is no worldly, incontrovertible evidence, the
kind you need and does not exist, is part of the great Mystery that I
enjoy about my God.

You must also enjoy the lack of worldly incontrovertable evidence and
great Mystery of Santa Claus?

That comment is beneath a clear thinking, religious person that you
claim to be.

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The tooth fairy? Big Foot? Flying
Saucers? Alien Abductions? Ghosts (Holy or otherwise)? Faith Healers?
WMD in Iraq? The legitimacy of the Bush administration's election?
oops.......maybe I'm getting too close to the truth here.... ;-)

Maybe we are getting to the point of no return in this discussion.

I haven't much time, tolerance or interest in atheists.

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:23:55 -0400, Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]>

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ou don't understand...

You learn at the pace of a snail.

Until you answer the questions regarding your quad bypass, your
smoking, your obesity and why, with all the information known to you,
by your own admission, you nearly killed yourself with a lousy diet,
gluttony, excesses and no exercise, you can keep your hands off your
keyboard and in your pants.

It will be the only thing you will have left to play with, Cheffie.
I'm no longer interested in your pitiful TROLLING and useless
demagoguery.

Fencer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:11:08 +0100, Mozz wrote:

(Stuff from mu/roose deleted)

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Are you 'really' a practicing Christian?
Your vitriolic outburst here and in other posts betrays an incredible
amount of hatred, intolerance and lack of manners.
Do you not choose to love thy neighbour as thyself?
Or indeed turn the other cheek?
Have you heard of 'do not judge?'

He *is* a curious one, isn't he? What's more, Chung is friends with this
guy; actually supports him. I can't imagine how a holy man like Chung would
have anything to do with mu/roose, given his very un-Christian-like
behavior.

Somehow I can't help wondering if they are one and the same. The only
person supporting Dr. Chung is the Mu-Mu's.

Are you absolutely certain it is not one person in all?

Mel, just very suspicious...

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Proof denies Faith, and without Faith God is nothing.

Mortal proof denies or substantiates nothing about God and has no
relevance, to Him or me, when Faith is the completion of the equation.

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You are correct. I have no Faith in your interpretation of the Word.

Why should you? You deny God's very existence.

Agreed.

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MOF, the fact that there is no worldly, incontrovertible evidence, the
kind you need and does not exist, is part of the great Mystery that I
enjoy about my God.

You must also enjoy the lack of worldly incontrovertable evidence and
great Mystery of Santa Claus?

That comment is beneath a clear thinking, religious person that you
claim to be.

On reflection, perhaps you have a point. I apologise.

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The tooth fairy? Big Foot? Flying
Saucers? Alien Abductions? Ghosts (Holy or otherwise)? Faith Healers?
WMD in Iraq? The legitimacy of the Bush administration's election?
oops.......maybe I'm getting too close to the truth here.... ;-)

Maybe we are getting to the point of no return in this discussion.

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I haven't much time, tolerance or interest in atheists.

Then I wish you all the very best, and I will trouble you no further.

Peace be with you my friend.

Mozz x

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When you become a perfect Buddhist, then I will pay attention to your
judgments.

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Why will you only pay attention to someone when they are 'perfect'?

Because I only truly believe in one Truth; the rest is up for complete
review and abandonment.

That still doesn't explain why you would pay attention to a perfect
'buddhist' though?

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Did Jesus only entertain 'perfect' people or did he take every manner
of person into his confidence?

I'm not Jesus.

Do you not strive to be like Jesus as much as you can?

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It is not for me to judge you - I merely ask you if you are behaving
contrary to Christ's commandments.

I am certain, as you are, that I have, that I will and that I will
continue to be imperfect.

Perfection is a tyranny. Be happy with who you are in the moment.

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Until then, you have your god, I have mine and the only real concerns
I have are between Him and me.

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I have no God. I do not believe in a God.
Perhaps it was God's Will that I be sent to question you?

So be it.

I for one, especially in these rather troubling times, would not know
what to do without my God.

There are many other paths to the Truth.

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And an occasional Blimpie's with a friend.

Take care my friend.

Mozz x

(M. Schwartz) said:

Somehow I can't help wondering if they are one and the same. The only
person supporting Dr. Chung is the Mu-Mu's.

Are you absolutely certain it is not one person in all?

Mel, just very suspicious...

I have $10,000, and attorney with the proper paperwork, and the
greatest desire for you to match my $10,000, in a contract that says
if I am not Chung, I will collect your $10,000 for use in charity.

And if I am found to be Chung, my $10,000 goes for whatever you want.

Interested?

Or simply blowing off like a deflating balloon?

MU, sees a sucker, knows a sucker, looking forward to lightening a
suckers load.

Mozz said:

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I haven't much time, tolerance or interest in atheists.

Then I wish you all the very best, and I will trouble you no further.

Peace be with you my friend.

Christ be with you.

Mu_nstruck <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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(M. Schwartz) said:

To say whatever happens is God's will and then to say God does no evil
is not logical.

That's the crux of your Pride and your problem. God must fit your
criteria not His.

God is not logical and does not "think" in the same terms you and I
do.

Let's look at my entire reply from which you took a portion:

"To say whatever happens is God's will and then to say God does no
evil
is not logical. In case you haven't noticed, evil things do happen."

What do you see here as the Truth?

By the way, when was the last time you spoke with God and He told you
how He thinks?

Mel, wondering why he answers this version of Mu? So many Mu's I'm
beginning to think I'm back in Vermont near a dairy farm.

Mu_nstruck said:

Mozz said:

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I don't project HIm, I believe in Him. I believe He is as real as this
thread and I certainly do not project this thread.

You can directly show anyone this thread, prove this thread exists.
Unfortunately for you, you cannot do the same for God.

Depends on your definition of proof.

Nah, [censored]. Proof is pretty clearly defined. You sound like your
favorite President who argued what "is" is. When it's all said and
done, you got a big goose egg. Zero.

Proof is something serving as evidence.

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I have all the proof I need. None
to little of which you would be able to comprehend since you have no
Faith in Christ.

MOF, the fact that there is no worldly, incontrovertible evidence, the
kind you need and does not exist, is part of the great Mystery that I
enjoy about my God.

So you have no proof but it's all you need. Let's see if I understand
that. There is none but it's sufficient for you. What a perfectly
brilliant thing to say. Lightweight.

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I know that the Ghandis did not believe in christ. By His own
definitions, they are doomed to Hell.

Well in that case you had better watch out yourself, some of your
recent posts to others on this newsgroup have been far from the
command 'Love thy neighbour as thyself' or the command to 'turn the
other cheek' or the command 'do not judge others' etc etc.

You don't need to concern yourself with my salvation and you should
know that salvation comes form faith not good or bad deeds.

Id salvation was won by effort, no one would gain it.

And yet, Jesus doesn't agree with you. He offered the beatitudes that
all concern actions. He says you gotta at least try. If you try but
fail, then he'll consider that forgiveness thing. You need to read the
Bible that doesn't come with crayons.

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You may well end up eating REALLY hot curries with Gandhi and
myself!!!

Not a chance.

I like a man with confidence. But if he's wrong, is he lying?

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>Respectfully loving his christian neighbour,
>Mozz x

Perhaps. We shall see.

What shall we see?

How much love you really have.

Compared to the love you show?

Bwahahahahah

Pastorio

Mu_nstruck said:

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:24:26 -0400, Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

You keep saying...

Until you answer the questions regarding your quad bypass, your
smoking, your obesity and why, with all the information known to you,
by your own admission, you nearly killed yourself with a lousy diet,
gluttony, excesses and no exercise, you can keep your hands off your
keyboard and in your pants.

It will be the only thing you will have left to play with, Cheffie.
I'm no longer interested in your pitiful TROLLING and useless
demagoguery.

You need a better writing team, [censored]. These guys who obviously
helped you didn't do a very good job with your image. Why, from this
note, it almost looks like you're trying to evade dealing with the
seemingly endless parade of unpleasant truths about yourself. And it
lets me point out again what a sham and fraud you are by the very
admissions you make above.

Thanks for playing, though. And my pants thank you. But you already
know that. Here, stand up.

Pastorio

Mu_nstruck said:

Mozz said:

Quoted message said:

Depends on your definition of proof. I have all the proof I need. None
to little of which you would be able to comprehend since you have no
Faith in Christ.

Proof denies Faith, and without Faith God is nothing.

Mortal proof denies or substantiates nothing about God and has no
relevance, to Him or me, when Faith is the completion of the equation.

Faith is the absence of an equation. It is acceptance for no reason.

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You are correct. I have no Faith in your interpretation of the Word.

Why should you? You deny God's very existence.

He also shouldn't because you make a hash of it with your idiot child
understanding of what Jesus is reported to have said. The whole of
Christianity is more than one verse from one chapter of one gospel.
Otherwise, the rest wouldn't have been included.

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MOF, the fact that there is no worldly, incontrovertible evidence, the
kind you need and does not exist, is part of the great Mystery that I
enjoy about my God.

You must also enjoy the lack of worldly incontrovertable evidence and
great Mystery of Santa Claus?

That comment is beneath a clear thinking, religious person that you
claim to be.

Um, he's a Buddhist. Have you not read a word he's said? And his
comment is perfectly in keeping with your tiny understanding that you
keep trying to foist off as though it had substance. Lightweight.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The tooth fairy? Big Foot? Flying
Saucers? Alien Abductions? Ghosts (Holy or otherwise)? Faith Healers?
WMD in Iraq? The legitimacy of the Bush administration's election?
oops.......maybe I'm getting too close to the truth here.... ;-)

Maybe we are getting to the point of no return in this discussion.

With you?

Bwahahahahahahaha. You kill me <wipes eyes> This is the funniest thing
yet. Like you could keep up with Mozz in a discussion of matters
spiritual. Oh, man, are you confused...

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I haven't much time, tolerance or interest in atheists.

Nor do you have any time for the penetrating questions posed to you by
Mozz and the shredding of your insanely-ridiculous, utterly-synthetic,
based-on-wishes, "religion" you so fully misunderstand. But I can't
think of anyone who would be surprised by that. You're not just a
phony, you're also a featherweight.

Pastorio

Mu_nstruck said:

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:23:55 -0400, Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]>

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You don't understand...

You learn at the pace of a snail.

Just trying to help you along, Sparky.

So press your macro (can you say that in a family newsgroup?) and show
your trained-monkey wit and wisdom.

You're such a treat. A slow-moving target. A looping fly ball. A slow
one right over the plate. A gently-bouncing grounder...

Let me repeat the deep wisdom above.

You don't understand. The rest of it is, "and you never will."

Pastorio

Mu_nstruck said:

(M. Schwartz) said:

Somehow I can't help wondering if they are one and the same. The only
person supporting Dr. Chung is the Mu-Mu's.

Are you absolutely certain it is not one person in all?

Mel, just very suspicious...

I have $10,000, and attorney with the proper paperwork, and the
greatest desire for you to match my $10,000, in a contract that says
if I am not Chung, I will collect your $10,000 for use in charity.

And if I am found to be Chung, my $10,000 goes for whatever you want.

Interested?

Or simply blowing off like a deflating balloon?

MU, sees a sucker, knows a sucker, looking forward to lightening a
suckers load.

Funny thing about the time that somebody tried to take you up on this
"wager" and you backed out. More hot air from Mu_ff. And how on earth
could you prove it? Still haven't answered that one. Anyone could say
they're you and without any corroborative evidence from anybody but
Chung, it's just as hollow as the rest of your bleatings.

But, really, thanks for showing everybody what the left edge of the
bell curve is like.

Pastorio

Mu_nstruck <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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(M. Schwartz) said:

Somehow I can't help wondering if they are one and the same. The only
person supporting Dr. Chung is the Mu-Mu's.

Are you absolutely certain it is not one person in all?

Mel, just very suspicious...

I have $10,000, and attorney with the proper paperwork, and the
greatest desire for you to match my $10,000, in a contract that says
if I am not Chung, I will collect your $10,000 for use in charity.

And if I am found to be Chung, my $10,000 goes for whatever you want.

Interested?

Or simply blowing off like a deflating balloon?

MU, sees a sucker, knows a sucker, looking forward to lightening a
suckers load.

Your $10,000 dollars is probably just as phony as your name.

Gee, I wonder what your Lord and Master Jesus Christ would say about
such behavior like making a wager? When people doubted Jesus, did he
say Let's make a wager?

Of course you are not Jesus and of that we can be certain. The only
thing we can be certain of is we don't know your real name and you
could be...?

Mel, just very suspicious...

Crescent Mu_n said:

Mozz said:

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You have no faith as far as I can tell.

I have faith in the truth of the buddhist dharma.

ok let me phrase it differently. You have no Faith off any value to
you, imo and in God's decree.

So, mu/roose, you claim to speak for God now?

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You're faith in Buddhism is lost effort.

I see. And how about your faith in Christianity? How has it helped you be a
better person?

Mu_nstruck said:

Mozz said:

You must also enjoy the lack of worldly incontrovertable evidence and
great Mystery of Santa Claus?

That comment is beneath a clear thinking, religious person that you
claim to be.

You might be right, but Mozz sure hit the nail on the head.

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Maybe we are getting to the point of no return in this discussion.

I haven't much time, tolerance or interest in atheists.

You mean you lack the reason necessary to conduct an intelligent dialog.

Mu_nstruck said:

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:23:55 -0400, Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]>

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ou don't understand...

You learn at the pace of a snail.

Until you answer the questions regarding your quad bypass, your

yada, yada, yada, etc.

This reminds me of the spoilt kid on my street when I was in 2nd grade.
Realizing he was losing an argument, he'd try to say something profound
(well, profound for a 2nd grader), stick his fingers in his ears and start
chanting "I can't hear you! I can't hear you! I can't ..."

Sayyyyy ... Um, roose, where did you go to school in 2nd grade?

Mu_nstruck said:

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:28:51 +0100, Mozz <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Did Jesus only entertain 'perfect' people or did he take every manner
of person into his confidence?

I'm not Jesus.

Stop the presses!

Roose, did you think, for even a nanosecond, that ANYONE who has read your
words could possibly have mistaken *you* for the King of Kings?

You are such a putz

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It is not for me to judge you - I merely ask you if you are behaving

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I for one, especially in these rather troubling times, would not know
what to do without my God.

For you are incapable of thinking for yourself.