question for jobst brandt

jim beam said:

how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst?  and in
what capacity?

Pass the popcorn! ;-)

Ozark Bicycle said:

jim beam said:

how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst? �and in
what capacity?

Pass the popcorn! ;-)

ex-lax more like. this is information he's not going to pass any time soon.

Ozark Bicycle said:

jim beam said:

how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst? �and in
what capacity?

Pass the popcorn! ;-)

ex-lax more like. this is information he's not going to pass any time soon.

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Quoted message said:

how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst? and
in what capacity?

You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do you?
Being constantly contrary diminishes the credibility of your input.

Phil H

jim beam said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

jim beam said:

how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst? �and in
what capacity?

Quoted message said:

Pass the popcorn! ;-)

ex-lax more like.  this is information he's not going to pass any time soon.

But think of the "stress relief" when he finally comes clean.

Phil Holman' piholmanc@yourservice said:

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Quoted message said:

how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst?  and
in what capacity?

You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do you?

Brandt demands this kind of answer whenever anyone dares to disagree
with him. Turnaround is fairplay.

In addition, Brandt loves to brandish his "credentials" as a way to
bully others. Again, fairplay.

Quoted message said:

Being constantly contrary diminishes the credibility of your input.

Phil Holman said:

"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst? and
in what capacity?

You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do you?

if he wants to lecture on the subject, yes i do!

Quoted message said:

Being constantly contrary diminishes the credibility of your input.

does constantly presenting presumptive speculation as fact make for
credibility? how about when it's on a subject with over 100 years of
published research which are being ignored?

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Phil Holman' piholmanc@yourservice said:

"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst? and
in what capacity?

You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do you?

Brandt demands this kind of answer whenever anyone dares to disagree
with him. Turnaround is fairplay.

In addition, Brandt loves to brandish his "credentials" as a way to
bully others. Again, fairplay.

I don't understand the logic. Criticise a person for something, then
turn around and do the same thing. It seems to me that turnaround
amounts to having other people dictate who you are.

Phil H

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Phil Holman said:

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Quoted message said:

how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst? and
in what capacity?

You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do you?

if he wants to lecture on the subject, yes i do!

Quoted message said:

Being constantly contrary diminishes the credibility of your input.

does constantly presenting presumptive speculation as fact make for
credibility? how about when it's on a subject with over 100 years of
published research which are being ignored?

I wasn' t talking about his credibility I was talking about yours.

Phil H

Phil Holman said:

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Quoted message said:

Phil Holman said:

"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst? and
> in what capacity?
You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do you?

if he wants to lecture on the subject, yes i do!

Quoted message said:

Being constantly contrary diminishes the credibility of your input.

does constantly presenting presumptive speculation as fact make for
credibility? how about when it's on a subject with over 100 years of
published research which are being ignored?

I wasn' t talking about his credibility I was talking about yours.

why do you care - and who are you to ask? i'm an anonymous troll.

however, i'm not resting on the laurels of my alma mater. and i have no
interest in trying to sell you anything. and the questions i ask are
all independently verifiable. and i don't cite myself as a reference.

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Phil Holman said:

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Quoted message said:

Phil Holman wrote:
> "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>> how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst?
>> and in what capacity?
> You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do
> you?
if he wants to lecture on the subject, yes i do!

> Being constantly contrary diminishes the credibility of your input.
does constantly presenting presumptive speculation as fact make for
credibility? how about when it's on a subject with over 100 years
of published research which are being ignored?

I wasn't t talking about his credibility I was talking about yours.

why do you care

It's noticeable that you appear to have an obsession. Are you aware of
this and do you care?

- and who are you to ask?

My name says who I am but you're probably referring to my professional
standing which FWIW is retired Aircraft Structural Engineer and now,
High School Math teacher.

Quoted message said:

i'm an anonymous troll.

hardly

Quoted message said:

however, i'm not resting on the laurels of my alma mater. and i have
no interest in trying to sell you anything. and the questions i ask
are all independently verifiable. and i don't cite myself as a
reference.

Nevertheless, your original question has no direct relevance to
anything.

Phil H

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Quoted message said:

Phil Holman said:

"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Phil Holman wrote:
>> "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>>> how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst?
>>> and in what capacity?
>> You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do
>> you?
> if he wants to lecture on the subject, yes i do!
>
>
>> Being constantly contrary diminishes the credibility of your input.
> does constantly presenting presumptive speculation as fact make for
> credibility? how about when it's on a subject with over 100 years
> of published research which are being ignored?
I wasn't t talking about his credibility I was talking about yours.

why do you care

It's noticeable that you appear to have an obsession. Are you aware of
this and do you care?

i don't care to have smoke blown up my ass [i also have a very low
opinion of those that do] and i'll vigorously take issue with anyone
that tries. especially when they try to bully and [censored] their way
past when called on it.

Quoted message said:

- and who are you to ask?

My name says who I am but you're probably referring to my professional
standing which FWIW is retired Aircraft Structural Engineer and now,
High School Math teacher.

good for you. so why do you not take issue when the "engineering"
[censored] gets airborne? see above.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

i'm an anonymous troll.

hardly

Quoted message said:

however, i'm not resting on the laurels of my alma mater. and i have
no interest in trying to sell you anything. and the questions i ask
are all independently verifiable. and i don't cite myself as a
reference.

Nevertheless, your original question has no direct relevance to
anything.

in that jobst has recently and repeatedly sought to establish
"credentials" based on his "automobile design engineering" experience, i
simply wish to learn exactly what those credentials are. that is an
entirely reasonable and relevant question.

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Phil Holman said:

"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Phil Holman wrote:
> "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>> Phil Holman wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email hidden]...
>>>> how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst?
>>>> and in what capacity?
>>> You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do
>>> you?
>> if he wants to lecture on the subject, yes i do!
>>
>>
>>> Being constantly contrary diminishes the credibility of your
>>> input.
>> does constantly presenting presumptive speculation as fact make
>> for credibility? how about when it's on a subject with over 100
>> years of published research which are being ignored?
> I wasn't t talking about his credibility I was talking about yours.
>
why do you care

It's noticeable that you appear to have an obsession. Are you aware
of this and do you care?

i don't care to have smoke blown up my ass [i also have a very low
opinion of those that do] and i'll vigorously take issue with anyone
that tries. especially when they try to bully and [censored] their way
past when called on it.

Quoted message said:

- and who are you to ask?

My name says who I am but you're probably referring to my
professional standing which FWIW is retired Aircraft Structural
Engineer and now, High School Math teacher.

good for you. so why do you not take issue when the "engineering"
[censored] gets airborne? see above.

I've disagreed with Jobst and probably a lot of others in this ng but,
as you have found out, if presenting relevant data doesn't immediately
get them to rethink their position (which they didn't come by lightly),
it will probably never happen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

i'm an anonymous troll.

hardly

Quoted message said:

however, i'm not resting on the laurels of my alma mater. and i
have no interest in trying to sell you anything. and the questions
i ask are all independently verifiable. and i don't cite myself as
a reference.

Nevertheless, your original question has no direct relevance to
anything.

in that jobst has recently and repeatedly sought to establish
"credentials" based on his "automobile design engineering" experience,
i simply wish to learn exactly what those credentials are. that is an
entirely reasonable and relevant question.

In that case, it is also reasonable for you to make such a connection at
the onset of a thread (in the interest of those not making the
connection).

Phil H

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Phil Holman' piholmanc@yourservice said:

"Ozark Bicycle" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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... On Jan 19 said:

"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst?
and in what capacity?

You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do
you?

Brandt demands this kind of answer whenever anyone dares to disagree
with him. Turnaround is fairplay.

And he has already answered it several times (Porsche, SLAC physics lab
at Stanford, Hewlett-Packard that I can recall)- unless the the tedious
beamster is demanding specific like dates of employment for each
employers. jim beam, however, being an anonymous coward will never dare
to reveal such information about himself. Indeed, we have nothing more
than his unsupported claim that he is an ex-metallurgist. That makes it
all the more hilarious that he is challenging Jobst and that the other
anonymous dorkwad, Ozark, has got his back. I'm not sure how you got
sucked into this foolishness.

Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
Phil Holman <piholmanc@yourservice> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Phil Holman said:

"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Phil Holman wrote:
>> "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>>> Phil Holman wrote:
>>>> "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email hidden]...
>>>>> how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst?
>>>>> and in what capacity?
>>>> You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do
>>>> you?
>>> if he wants to lecture on the subject, yes i do!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Being constantly contrary diminishes the credibility of your
>>>> input.
>>> does constantly presenting presumptive speculation as fact make
>>> for credibility? how about when it's on a subject with over 100
>>> years of published research which are being ignored?
>> I wasn't t talking about his credibility I was talking about
>> yours.
> why do you care

It's noticeable that you appear to have an obsession. Are you aware
of this and do you care?

i don't care to have smoke blown up my ass [i also have a very low
opinion of those that do] and i'll vigorously take issue with anyone
that tries. especially when they try to bully and [censored] their way
past when called on it.

Quoted message said:

- and who are you to ask?

My name says who I am but you're probably referring to my
professional standing which FWIW is retired Aircraft Structural
Engineer and now, High School Math teacher.

good for you. so why do you not take issue when the "engineering"
[censored] gets airborne? see above.

I've disagreed with Jobst and probably a lot of others in this ng but,
as you have found out, if presenting relevant data doesn't immediately
get them to rethink their position (which they didn't come by
lightly), it will probably never happen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> i'm an anonymous troll.
>
hardly

> however, i'm not resting on the laurels of my alma mater. and i
> have no interest in trying to sell you anything. and the questions
> i ask are all independently verifiable. and i don't cite myself as
> a reference.
>
Nevertheless, your original question has no direct relevance to
anything.

in that jobst has recently and repeatedly sought to establish
"credentials" based on his "automobile design engineering"
experience, i simply wish to learn exactly what those credentials
are. that is an entirely reasonable and relevant question.

In that case, it is also reasonable for you to make such a connection
at the onset of a thread (in the interest of those not making the
connection).

Phil H

i just wondered if beam is ready to publish his own cv so that one can
appreciate his point of departure. caps not used, here. maybe he'll be
able to read and reply directly.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Phil Holman' piholmanc@yourservice said:

"Ozark Bicycle" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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... On Jan 19 said:

"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

> how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst?
> and in what capacity?

You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do
you?

Brandt demands this kind of answer whenever anyone dares to disagree
with him. Turnaround is fairplay.

And he has already answered it several times (Porsche, SLAC physics
lab
at Stanford, Hewlett-Packard that I can recall)- unless the the
tedious
beamster is demanding specific like dates of employment for each
employers. jim beam, however, being an anonymous coward will never
dare
to reveal such information about himself. Indeed, we have nothing
more
than his unsupported claim that he is an ex-metallurgist. That makes
it
all the more hilarious that he is challenging Jobst and that the other
anonymous dorkwad, Ozark, has got his back. I'm not sure how you got
sucked into this foolishness.

The same way you did probably :-)

I'm tired of this obsessive preoccupation so I fired in some feedback.

Phil H

Phil Holman said:

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Quoted message said:

Phil Holman said:

"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Phil Holman wrote:
>> "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>>> Phil Holman wrote:
>>>> "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email hidden]...
>>>>> how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst?
>>>>> and in what capacity?
>>>> You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do
>>>> you?
>>> if he wants to lecture on the subject, yes i do!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Being constantly contrary diminishes the credibility of your
>>>> input.
>>> does constantly presenting presumptive speculation as fact make
>>> for credibility? how about when it's on a subject with over 100
>>> years of published research which are being ignored?
>> I wasn't t talking about his credibility I was talking about yours.
>>
> why do you care
It's noticeable that you appear to have an obsession. Are you aware
of this and do you care?

i don't care to have smoke blown up my ass [i also have a very low
opinion of those that do] and i'll vigorously take issue with anyone
that tries. especially when they try to bully and [censored] their way
past when called on it.

Quoted message said:

- and who are you to ask?

My name says who I am but you're probably referring to my
professional standing which FWIW is retired Aircraft Structural
Engineer and now, High School Math teacher.

good for you. so why do you not take issue when the "engineering"
[censored] gets airborne? see above.

I've disagreed with Jobst and probably a lot of others in this ng but,
as you have found out, if presenting relevant data doesn't immediately
get them to rethink their position (which they didn't come by lightly),
it will probably never happen.

where's the relevant data on spoke fatigue mitigation? i've presented
data on what can be observed of fatigue failure and where it initiates.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> i'm an anonymous troll.
>
hardly

> however, i'm not resting on the laurels of my alma mater. and i
> have no interest in trying to sell you anything. and the questions
> i ask are all independently verifiable. and i don't cite myself as
> a reference.
>
Nevertheless, your original question has no direct relevance to
anything.

in that jobst has recently and repeatedly sought to establish
"credentials" based on his "automobile design engineering" experience,
i simply wish to learn exactly what those credentials are. that is an
entirely reasonable and relevant question.

In that case, it is also reasonable for you to make such a connection at
the onset of a thread (in the interest of those not making the
connection).

well, i've asked the question repeatedly in the actual threads in which
he makes these claims. no response.

Sandy said:

Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
Phil Holman <piholmanc@yourservice> a r�fl�chi, et puis a d�clar� :

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"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Phil Holman wrote:
> "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>> Phil Holman wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email hidden]...
>>>> Phil Holman wrote:
>>>>> "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>> how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst?
>>>>>> and in what capacity?
>>>>> You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do
>>>>> you?
>>>> if he wants to lecture on the subject, yes i do!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Being constantly contrary diminishes the credibility of your
>>>>> input.
>>>> does constantly presenting presumptive speculation as fact make
>>>> for credibility? how about when it's on a subject with over 100
>>>> years of published research which are being ignored?
>>> I wasn't t talking about his credibility I was talking about
>>> yours.
>> why do you care
> It's noticeable that you appear to have an obsession. Are you aware
> of this and do you care?
i don't care to have smoke blown up my ass [i also have a very low
opinion of those that do] and i'll vigorously take issue with anyone
that tries. especially when they try to bully and [censored] their way
past when called on it.

> - and who are you to ask?
>
> My name says who I am but you're probably referring to my
> professional standing which FWIW is retired Aircraft Structural
> Engineer and now, High School Math teacher.
good for you. so why do you not take issue when the "engineering"
[censored] gets airborne? see above.

I've disagreed with Jobst and probably a lot of others in this ng but,
as you have found out, if presenting relevant data doesn't immediately
get them to rethink their position (which they didn't come by
lightly), it will probably never happen.

Quoted message said:

>> i'm an anonymous troll.
>>
> hardly
>
>> however, i'm not resting on the laurels of my alma mater. and i
>> have no interest in trying to sell you anything. and the questions
>> i ask are all independently verifiable. and i don't cite myself as
>> a reference.
>>
> Nevertheless, your original question has no direct relevance to
> anything.
in that jobst has recently and repeatedly sought to establish
"credentials" based on his "automobile design engineering"
experience, i simply wish to learn exactly what those credentials
are. that is an entirely reasonable and relevant question.

In that case, it is also reasonable for you to make such a connection
at the onset of a thread (in the interest of those not making the
connection).

Phil H

i just wondered if beam is ready to publish his own cv so that one can
appreciate his point of departure. caps not used, here. maybe he'll be
able to read and reply directly.

why get suckered into a credentials pissing contest? i'm not citing my
own work, selling anything or stating anything that cannot be
independently verified.

Tim McNamara said:

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Phil Holman' piholmanc@yourservice said:

"Ozark Bicycle" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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... On Jan 19 said:

"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> how long did you work in "automobile design engineering" jobst?
> and in what capacity?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You don't really expect an answer to such a "loaded" question do
you?

Quoted message said:

Brandt demands this kind of answer whenever anyone dares to disagree
with him. Turnaround is fairplay.

And he has already answered it several times (Porsche, SLAC physics lab
at Stanford, Hewlett-Packard that I can recall)- unless the the tedious
beamster is demanding specific like dates of employment for each
employers.  jim beam, however, being an anonymous coward will never dare
to reveal such information about himself.  Indeed, we have nothing more
than his unsupported claim that he is an ex-metallurgist.  That makes it
all the more hilarious that he is challenging Jobst and that the other
anonymous dorkwad, Ozark, has got his back.  I'm not sure how you got
sucked into this foolishness.

Hey, Timmy, you claim to have me killfiled. How would you know whose
back I have, you cowardly wuss?

I expect we won't see an answer as you hide behind killfiles and in
moderated forums, you [censored].