Question for Dr. Chung re diet

Stephen Nagler said:

Dr. Chung -

I've only skimmed this newgroup briefly - but I do see a lot of talk about your diet
recommendation - "2PD."

It seems to me that the big advantages in such a diet are that it is simple ... and it works.

You may have answered the following question elsewhere, but I just did not see it in skimming. If
so, I apologize.

As a physician and cardiologist what if anything do you see as the "negatives" in following such a
diert plan?

Hate from those who envy your being at ideal body weight.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.comOpen ↗

MD/PhD said:

Stephen Nagler said:

Dr. Chung -

I've only skimmed this newgroup briefly - but I do see a lot of talk about your diet
recommendation - "2PD."

It seems to me that the big advantages in such a diet are that it is simple ... and it works.

You may have answered the following question elsewhere, but I just did not see it in skimming. If
so, I apologize.

As a physician and cardiologist what if anything do you see as the "negatives" in following such
a diert plan?

Hate from those who envy your being at ideal body weight.

Humbly,

Andrew

................

I'm not at my ideal body weight. And indeed I do somewhat envy those like you who are.

But I certainly don't hate you - although I confess that I find the flippant tone of your response a
little off-putting.

What I am asking is are there any endocrinological, cardiological, or metabolic concerns that you
have identified in your work since first coming up with your diet plan that I might take into
account before considering your approach for myself.

Thnx -

smn

Stephen Nagler said:

MD/PhD said:

Stephen Nagler said:

Dr. Chung -

I've only skimmed this newgroup briefly - but I do see a lot of talk about your diet
recommendation - "2PD."

It seems to me that the big advantages in such a diet are that it is simple ... and it works.

You may have answered the following question elsewhere, but I just did not see it in skimming.
If so, I apologize.

As a physician and cardiologist what if anything do you see as the "negatives" in following
such a diert plan?

Hate from those who envy your being at ideal body weight.

Humbly,

Andrew

................

I'm not at my ideal body weight. And indeed I do somewhat envy those like you who are.

But I certainly don't hate you -

You don't but there are those who do. Look around.

Quoted message said:

although I confess that I find the flippant tone of your response a little off-putting.

For that I do apologize. Tone does not translate well over Usenet.

Quoted message said:

What I am asking is are there any endocrinological, cardiological, or metabolic concerns that you
have identified in your work since first coming up with your diet plan that I might take into
account before considering your approach for myself.

Medication requirements for hypertension, diabetes, dyslipidemia, *will* decrease.

Quoted message said:

Thnx -

smn

You are very welcome :-)

Humble servant of Christ,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.comOpen ↗

MD/PhD said:

Quoted message said:

What I am asking is are there any endocrinological, cardiological, or metabolic concerns that you
have identified in your work since first coming up with your diet plan that I might take into
account before considering your approach for myself.

..................

Quoted message said:

Medication requirements for hypertension, diabetes, dyslipidemia, *will* decrease.

.............

Appreciate the response. Thnx.

smn

I posted:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But I certainly don't hate you -

To which you responded:

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You don't but there are those who do. Look around.

...............

I will indeed look around, my new friend ... if you will agree to look in the mirror!

And to seal the deal, I'll buy you lunch. My home phone number is in the Atlanta phone diectory.
Give me a call, and let's discuss it civilly over a meal!

smn

Stephen Nagler said:

MD/PhD said:

Quoted message said:

What I am asking is are there any endocrinological, cardiological, or metabolic concerns that
you have identified in your work since first coming up with your diet plan that I might take
into account before considering your approach for myself.

..................

Quoted message said:

Medication requirements for hypertension, diabetes, dyslipidemia, *will* decrease.

.............

Appreciate the response. Thnx.

smn

You're welcome.

Humble servant of Christ,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.comOpen ↗

Stephen Nagler said:

I posted:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But I certainly don't hate you -

To which you responded:

Quoted message said:

You don't but there are those who do. Look around.

...............

I will indeed look around, my new friend ... if you will agree to look in the mirror!

Every day.

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And to seal the deal, I'll buy you lunch.

I would enjoy the fellowship even if you weren't buying :-)

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My home phone number is in the Atlanta phone diectory. Give me a call, and let's discuss it
civilly over a meal!

It would be easier logistically if you either call or email me through the contact information on
my web site.

Quoted message said:

smn

Thank you for your interest.

Looking forward to our getting together.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.comOpen ↗

MD/PhD said:

Stephen Nagler wrote:

Quoted message said:

It would be easier logistically if you either call or email me through the contact information on
my web site.

...............

Incredible. I invited you to lunch and politely asked you to give me a call to set it up. That's
what is easier logistically *for me* - and I'm buying. Sheesh.

.............

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Looking forward to our getting together.

................

Me too, I think. I'll look forwad to your call.

..........

Quoted message said:

Humbly,

Andrew

..............

Cordially,

stephen

Stephen Nagler said:

MD/PhD said:

Stephen Nagler wrote:

Quoted message said:

It would be easier logistically if you either call or email me through the contact information on
my web site.

...............

Incredible. I invited you to lunch and politely asked you to give me a call to set it up. That's
what is easier logistically *for me* - and I'm buying. Sheesh.

.............

Quoted message said:

Looking forward to our getting together.

................

Me too, I think. I'll look forwad to your call.

Your number according to the phone book is:

404-531-3979

When I dialed it just now I got the message:

"this number has been changed to a non-published number"

Again, logistically, it would be easier for you to reach me through the contact information on
my web site.

Humble servant of Christ wishing his Lord and Savior a Happy Birthday,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.comOpen ↗

MD/PhD said:

Your number according to the phone book is:

404-531-3979

When I dialed it just now I got the message:

"this number has been changed to a non-published number"

Again, logistically, it would be easier for you to reach me through the contact information on my
web site.

................

First of all, please do not post my phone number on this or any board.

Second, I suggested you call me at home - there was a reason. My efforts are now devoted to
research, education, and advocacy. I discontinued direct patient care last year - after some 27
years. Next time, try the residence instead of the business listings - like I asked.

Third, there will not be a "next time." My offer to take you to lunch is withdrawn.

Dr. Chung, I came to this newsgroup as a fellow physician in support of your Internet efforts on
behalf of those with cardiological concerns. Incredibly, it has taken me but two days to find
myself in almost complete accord with your detractors. I still wish they would do away with
their ad hominem attacks, which I contimue to believe are counterproductive - but to tell you
the truth, it has taken an almost superhuman effort on my own part not to join in.

I wish everybody on this newsgroup well. Even you. But kindness, compassion, and understanding - all
very Christian attributes - are wasted upon you. And I want no further part of it.

smn

Stephen Nagler said:

MD/PhD said:

Your number according to the phone book is:

404-531-3979

When I dialed it just now I got the message:

"this number has been changed to a non-published number"

Again, logistically, it would be easier for you to reach me through the contact information on my
web site.

................

First of all, please do not post my phone number on this or any board.

Being that it is a non-working number, it is not your number.

Quoted message said:

Second, I suggested you call me at home - there was a reason.

I did not understand your suggestion to be a command. For that I apologize.

Quoted message said:

My efforts are now devoted to research, education, and advocacy. I discontinued direct patient
care last year - after some 27 years.

What happened?

Quoted message said:

Next time, try the residence instead of the business listings - like I asked.

The phone book I used was a residence listing.

Quoted message said:

Third, there will not be a "next time." My offer to take you to lunch is withdrawn.

Why are you afraid?

Quoted message said:

Dr. Chung, I came to this newsgroup as a fellow physician in support of your Internet efforts on
behalf of those with cardiological concerns. Incredibly, it has taken me but two days to find
myself in almost complete accord with your detractors.

That is not apparent to me from your discourse with them.

Quoted message said:

I still wish they would do away with their ad hominem attacks, which I contimue to believe are
counterproductive

along with being untruthful.

Quoted message said:

- but to tell you the truth, it has taken an almost superhuman effort on my own part not to
join in.

Your testimony glorifies Christ by showing His strength in me. I appreciate that.

Quoted message said:

I wish everybody on this newsgroup well. Even you. But kindness, compassion, and understanding -
all very Christian attributes - are wasted upon you. And I want no further part of it.

You will be in my prayers. May Christ help you find Him and cure you of your health problems.

Quoted message said:

smn

You remain welcome to call on me any time. Would still enjoy meeting you in person. Even if you
consider yourself an enemy, I still love you as Christ would have me do.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.comOpen ↗

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:12:33 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

And I want no further part of it.

I hope you might find the time to "hang around" here or perhaps sci.med. Many of us REALLY
appreciate docs who are willing to share their knowledge with others. Matt

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:12:33 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

First of all, please do not post my phone number on this or any board.

Second, I suggested you call me at home - there was a reason. My efforts are now devoted to
research, education, and advocacy. I discontinued direct patient care last year - after some 27
years. Next time, try the residence instead of the business listings - like I asked.

Third, there will not be a "next time." My offer to take you to lunch is withdrawn.

Dr. Chung, I came to this newsgroup as a fellow physician in support of your Internet efforts on
behalf of those with cardiological concerns. Incredibly, it has taken me but two days to find
myself in almost complete accord with your detractors. I still wish they would do away with
their ad hominem attacks, which I contimue to believe are counterproductive - but to tell you
the truth, it has taken an almost superhuman effort on my own part not to join in.

I wish everybody on this newsgroup well. Even you. But kindness, compassion, and understanding -
all very Christian attributes - are wasted upon you. And I want no further part of it.

Does arrogance always go hand in hand with the training and practice of physicians? I tell you, when
they invented the term "God Complex", it must have been coined for doctors.

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MD/PhD said:

Why are you afraid?

................

You give yourself too much credit, Dr. Chung.

I am not afraid of you.

I am just disgusted.

I have great respect for those who truly glorify Christ.

But you are not glorifying Christ. You are *using* Christ to glorify yourself.

I remember the day after Kennedy was assassinated. A cartoon drawn by Mauldin appeared in the
Chicago Sun-Times. It depicted Lincoln sitting on that huge granite seat in the Lincoln Memorial,
but his head was in his hands ... and he was crying inconsolably.

That's how I envision Christ as he considers how you "glorify" His name, Dr. Chung. He is sitting
with His head in His hands - crying inconsolably - because you, whom He dearly loves, just don't get
it. Even a Jew like me can see that!

Now good day. And do go ahead and have the last word. A *truly* humble man wouldn't need to. But you
won't be able to help yourself.

smn

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:17:46 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Now good day.

Since you're not taking Chung, can I get that free lunch?

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:17:46 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Now good day. And do go ahead and have the last word. A *truly* humble man wouldn't need to. But
you won't be able to help yourself.

You have politely challenged his beliefs, and will now get his wrath in disguised form. I notice
that Mu_(whatever) is back. He is Chung's alter ego. It is an interesting insight to listen to Mu_,
realizing it is Chung. Mu_ has been dormant for a while, but unfortunately is back. Here we go
again. Beware the wrath of Mu. <g> Some of this is funny.
<g>Matt

Quoted message said:

You have politely challenged his beliefs, and will now get his wrath in disguised form. I notice
that Mu_(whatever) is back. He is Chung's alter ego. It is an interesting insight to listen to Mu_,
realizing it is Chung. Mu_

I am discouraged to see that idiocy has not been cured while I was gone.

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Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

Dr. Chung, I came to this newsgroup as a fellow physician in support of your Internet efforts on
behalf of those with cardiological concerns. Incredibly, it has taken me but two days to find
myself in almost complete accord with your detractors. I still wish they would do away with
their ad hominem attacks, which I contimue to believe are counterproductive - but to tell you
the truth, it has taken an almost superhuman effort on my own part not to join in.

I've been in this group now quite a while. I've probably seen more good information posted by Dr.
Chung here than by any other individual. He also posts large amounts of off-topic nonsense and posts
in what many will take to be an offensive style.

All in all, I just ignore his off-topic posts and his manner of engaging others. What is harder to
ignore by far is the army of detractors who post incessantly off-topic in this sci.med group.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

Jim Chinnis said:

Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

Dr. Chung, I came to this newsgroup as a fellow physician in support of your Internet efforts on
behalf of those with cardiological concerns. Incredibly, it has taken me but two days to find
myself in almost complete accord with your detractors. I still wish they would do away with
their ad hominem attacks, which I contimue to believe are counterproductive - but to tell you
the truth, it has taken an almost superhuman effort on my own part not to join in.

I've been in this group now quite a while. I've probably seen more good information posted by Dr.
Chung here than by any other individual. He also posts large amounts of off-topic nonsense and
posts in what many will take to be an offensive style.

All in all, I just ignore his off-topic posts and his manner of engaging others. What is harder to
ignore by far is the army of detractors who post incessantly off-topic in this sci.med group.

I couldn't agree with you more.