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  1. Hi

    I have a question for Dr. Biggs. Anyone can comment if they want.

    A doctor, who is a specialist in an other field than diabetes, was writing about the Rice diet,
    which is recommended by Dr. Kempner for treating hypertension. What he wrote kind of shocked me. I
    want you to comment on it.

    He wrote: =93The Rice diet have been seen to cure diabetes.=94

    I wrote: =93Why is the ADA not recommending this diet?=94

    He wrote: =93They (ADA) are owned in part by the drug industry which like= s to sell diabetes meds.
    Otherwise they would be recommending getting weight into the low BMI range and THEN use drugs if
    necessary.

    I wrote =93I thought there was no cure for diabetes=94

    Then he wrote: =93Work with your Dr. To do the following test: Test GTT now and then after you have
    gotten to those good insurance weights. If the diabetes is no longer detectable with a GTT then you
    have been able to feed (or starve) your genes so they no longer produce too much fat for what you
    eat. You are no longer insulin resistant.=94

    I am really puzzled by his statements. It seems to me that eating just rice for many days if not
    weeks and months and then add some fruits to it for an even longer time is not the ideal way for a
    diabetic to eat.

    He seems to say that it would be the ideal diet for me. I have been at a good weight for years but I
    am still insulin resistant. He thinks that my insulin resistant would completely disappeared.

    I cannot believe it. Should I?

    I have control by BG well with lots of exercise for 10 years. My A1C is in the normal range. I would
    be happy if it could be controlled more easily without exercise so that, if one day I cannot
    exercise as much my BG would still be controlled. I am a senior and I exercise everyday for around
    10 hours a week. I never go to bed with a BG higher than 7 (126) and often under 6 (108). I do not
    and never follow a high protein diet.

    What do you think?

    Fran=E7oise.

  2. Françoise said this...

    Quoted message said:

    A doctor, who is a specialist in an other field than diabetes, was writing about the Rice diet,
    which is recommended by Dr. Kempner for treating hypertension. What he wrote kind of shocked me. I
    want you to comment on it.


    How could a diet depending on a food that is almost 100% carbohydrate help a diabetic?

    Ratty
    --
    Broadcast me a joyful noise

    www.flyingrat.net

  3. Fran this rice diet is amazing, it is full of rice and fruit - carbs. In addition it seems to be
    hard to find the diet unless it is part of some commercial programme which includes live in eating
    exercise and teaching. You get controlled! It is low fat low salt.

    my view is a lower carb higher exercise diet is best for you. When you lose a lot of weight and do a
    lot of exercise then BSI improves.

    here is the rice diet angelfire.comricediet

    you will see that there is not so much rice in it. Interestingly brown rice is not promoted which is
    the best rice as it has the lowest GI (basmati brown)

    I am with Ratty

    it seems wrong for a diabetic and the claims it cures diabetes is evidence.........

    so

    "Françoise" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]... Hi

    I have a question for Dr. Biggs. Anyone can comment if they want.

    A doctor, who is a specialist in an other field than diabetes, was writing about the Rice diet,
    which is recommended by Dr. Kempner for treating hypertension. What he wrote kind of shocked me. I
    want you to comment on it.

    He wrote: “The Rice diet have been seen to cure diabetes.”

    I wrote: “Why is the ADA not recommending this diet?”

    He wrote: “They (ADA) are owned in part by the drug industry which likes to sell diabetes meds.
    Otherwise they would be recommending getting weight into the low BMI range and THEN use drugs if
    necessary.

    I wrote “I thought there was no cure for diabetes”

    Then he wrote: “Work with your Dr. To do the following test: Test GTT now and then after you have
    gotten to those good insurance weights. If the diabetes is no longer detectable with a GTT then you
    have been able to feed (or starve) your genes so they no longer produce too much fat for what you
    eat. You are no longer insulin resistant.”

    I am really puzzled by his statements. It seems to me that eating just rice for many days if not
    weeks and months and then add some fruits to it for an even longer time is not the ideal way for a
    diabetic to eat.

    He seems to say that it would be the ideal diet for me. I have been at a good weight for years but I
    am still insulin resistant. He thinks that my insulin resistant would completely disappeared.

    I cannot believe it. Should I?

    I have control by BG well with lots of exercise for 10 years. My A1C is in the normal range. I would
    be happy if it could be controlled more easily without exercise so that, if one day I cannot
    exercise as much my BG would still be controlled. I am a senior and I exercise everyday for around
    10 hours a week. I never go to bed with a BG higher than 7 (126) and often under 6 (108). I do not
    and never follow a high protein diet.

    What do you think?

    Françoise.

  4. On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:19:39 -0500, Françoise <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I am really puzzled by his statements. It seems to me that eating just rice for many days if not
    weeks and months and then add some fruits to it for an even longer time is not the ideal way for a
    diabetic to eat.

    He seems to say that it would be the ideal diet for me. I have been at a good weight for years but
    I am still insulin resistant. He thinks that my insulin resistant would completely disappeared.

    I cannot believe it. Should I?

    I have control by BG well with lots of exercise for 10 years. My A1C is in the normal range. I
    would be happy if it could be controlled more easily without exercise so that, if one day I cannot
    exercise as much my BG would still be controlled. I am a senior and I exercise everyday for around
    10 hours a week. I never go to bed with a BG higher than 7 (126) and often under 6 (108). I do not
    and never follow a high protein diet.

    What do you think?

    Francoise, (sorry, can't work out how to do the interesting French c with a tail) I am really
    puzzled by your statements, not his. Why someone who appears to be rational and intelligent, and who
    has apparently controlled their diabetes well for 10 years, would listen to a shyster like this is
    beyond me.

    It's pretty simple really. The first test for any person, doctor or otherwise, who offers a new
    miracle diet/herb/treatment is: "do they claim it will cure me?" If the answer is yes, run away as
    fast as you can. The only thing they will cure is their ailing bank account.

    The second question is "will it cost money not covered by my insurance?". If that is also a yes
    (except for the US) then see the response for the first question. Unfortunately, from what I have
    seen posted here, the answer may be yes for some legitimate treatments in the US. That is not to
    denigrate their system, it's just not a fair test of shysters.

    Finally, if you still think it may work, ask for references from REPUTABLE medical sources, not just
    his doctor friends and patients.

    Then ask again here.

    In the meantime, do not eat white rice.

    Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Françoise said:

    I have a question for Dr. Biggs. Anyone can comment if they want.

    A doctor, who is a specialist in an other field than diabetes, was writing about the Rice diet,
    which is recommended by Dr. Kempner for treating hypertension. What he wrote kind of shocked me. I
    want you to comment on it.

    He wrote: “The Rice diet have been seen to cure diabetes.”

    I wrote: “Why is the ADA not recommending this diet?”

    Probably because this rice diet is a steaming load of [censored].

    --
    I hate spam, but that isn't really part of my email address. Remove the string "HatesSpam" from this
    email address before you use it: [email hidden]

    Ever wonder what it'd be like to be a blood-sucking parasite? tinyurl.com7wxk

  6. If you eat nothing but rice, you will develop so many other problems that diabetes will be the least
    of your worries.

    Of course, it is good for an overweight diabetic to lose weight, and, a Type 2 may, in some cases,
    eliminate the need for meds to control the diabetes, if they get their weight down to a normal
    level. This, in turn, may give the appearance of not having diabetes, but we all know that is not
    true. Any of the lose-weight-by-eating-odd-items-exclusively diets are not good for one's general
    health, although you may lose weight. So far, there is no cure for Type 1 or Type 2 diabetes.

  7. Francoise,

    You're doing very well on your plan, if it aint broke don't fix it. There is no "cure" for diabetes
    - the beta cells have been destroyed and can't be brought back to life. Yes, there are proven ways
    to prevent pre-diabetes to progress to diabetes - but you seem to be already doing the steps. Here's
    a good source hsph.harvard.edudiabetes.html "Data from the Nurses'
    Health Study suggest that 90% of type 2 diabetes in women can be attributed to five such factors:
    excess weight, lack of exercise, a less-than-healthy diet, smoking, and abstaining from alcohol."

    Françoise <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi

    I have a question for Dr. Biggs. Anyone can comment if they want.

    A doctor, who is a specialist in an other field than diabetes, was writing about the Rice diet,
    which is recommended by Dr. Kempner for treating hypertension. What he wrote kind of shocked me. I
    want you to comment on it.

    He wrote: The Rice diet have been seen to cure diabetes.

    I wrote: Why is the ADA not recommending this diet?

    He wrote: They (ADA) are owned in part by the drug industry which like s to sell diabetes meds.
    Otherwise they would be recommending getting weight into the low BMI range and THEN use drugs if
    necessary.

    I wrote I thought there was no cure for diabetes

    Then he wrote: Work with your Dr. To do the following test: Test GTT now and then after you have
    gotten to those good insurance weights. If the diabetes is no longer detectable with a GTT then
    you have been able to feed (or starve) your genes so they no longer produce too much fat for what
    you eat. You are no longer insulin resistant.

    I am really puzzled by his statements. It seems to me that eating just rice for many days if not
    weeks and months and then add some fruits to it for an even longer time is not the ideal way for a
    diabetic to eat.

    He seems to say that it would be the ideal diet for me. I have been at a good weight for years but
    I am still insulin resistant. He thinks that my insulin resistant would completely disappeared.

    I cannot believe it. Should I?

    I have control by BG well with lots of exercise for 10 years. My A1C is in the normal range. I
    would be happy if it could be controlled more easily without exercise so that, if one day I cannot
    exercise as much my BG would still be controlled. I am a senior and I exercise everyday for around
    10 hours a week. I never go to bed with a BG higher than 7 (126) and often under 6 (108). I do not
    and never follow a high protein diet.

    What do you think?

    Fran oise.

  8. Françoise wrote in message <[email hidden]>... Hi

    . Anyone can comment if they want.

    A doctor, who is a specialist in an other field than diabetes, was writing about the Rice diet,
    which is recommended by Dr. Kempner for treating hypertension. What he wrote kind of shocked me. I
    want you to comment on it.

    He wrote: “The Rice diet have been seen to cure diabetes.”

    I wrote: “Why is the ADA not recommending this diet?”

    He wrote: “They (ADA) are owned in part by the drug industry which likes to sell diabetes meds.
    Otherwise they would be recommending getting weight into the low BMI range and THEN use drugs if
    necessary.

    I wrote “I thought there was no cure for diabetes”

    Then he wrote: “Work with your Dr. To do the following test: Test GTT now and then after you have
    gotten to those good insurance weights. If the diabetes is no longer detectable with a GTT then you
    have been able to feed (or starve) your genes so they no longer produce too much fat for what you
    eat. You are no longer insulin resistant.”

    I am really puzzled by his statements. It seems to me that eating just rice for many days if not
    weeks and months and then add some fruits to it for an even longer time is not the ideal way for a
    diabetic to eat.

    He seems to say that it would be the ideal diet for me. I have been at a good weight for years but I
    am still insulin resistant. He thinks that my insulin resistant would completely disappeared.

    I cannot believe it. Should I?

    I have control by BG well with lots of exercise for 10 years. My A1C is in the normal range. I would
    be happy if it could be controlled more easily without exercise so that, if one day I cannot
    exercise as much my BG would still be controlled. I am a senior and I exercise everyday for around
    10 hours a week. I never go to bed with a BG higher than 7 (126) and often under 6 (108). I do not
    and never follow a high protein diet.

    What do you think?

    Françoise.

    This person who made these claims is a very unreliable person.

    1. This person says the ADA does not recommend diet, exercise and losing weight.

    That is total nonsense!. That is the first thing they recommend.

    2. This person says some diet will "cure" diabetes.

    That is total nonsense. Diabetes cannot yet be cured. One can only attack some of the symptoms. One
    of the symptoms happens to be high blood sugars.

    3. This person says you will be able to "feed or starve your genes so that they no longer produce
    too much fat"

    That is total nonsense. One cannot feed genes, one cannot starve genes. One cannot do anything to
    genes except pass them on to one's children and even that is not particularly controllable.

    4. This person says that if you reduce your weight to the Insurance Company Chart targets, you will
    no longer be Insulin Resistant.

    That is total nonsense. Everybody is Insulin Resistant to some degree, even children, even non-
    diabetics.

    Diabetics must try to reduce their Insulin Resistance to non-harmful levels Losing fat pounds
    reduces Insulin Resistance but is rarely sufficient to bring it to non-harmful levels if you are
    Type 2 diabetic. You must also maintain proper exercise levels.

    5. He says the ADA is owned by the Drug companies and thus implies that the ADA exists to sell
    diabetes meds.

    That is total nonsense. The ADA is a non-profit entity closely regulated by the government. It is
    controlled by doctors, not by drug companies.

    The doctors teach, as major policies:

    a. Avoid drugs as much as you can
    b. Use the cheap, generic drugs as much as you can (metformin, generic beta stimulators

    Many research doctors think diabetics should take drugs sooner than the ADA recommends. However,
    the drug they recommend, metformin, is extremely cheap, not-patented, used for 40 years, and
    manufactured all over the world by many companies, both large and small. . .which means nobody
    makes a large enough profit on it to be worth manipulating the ADA, doctors, the government or
    anybody else.

    6. This person recommends some diet based on rice and fruit to "cure" diabetics..

    That is total nonsense. These are foods which are troublesome for all diabetics. They will raise
    blood sugar and thus cause severe damage to the arteries, eyes, kidneys, and beta cells among other
    organs. If the diet doesn't kill you rapidly, it will make you blind, destroy your kidneys, and make
    you dependent on injected insulin.

    What kind of "doctor" is this person? I think he belongs in jail.

    Regards
    Old Al

  9. "Françoise" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]... Hi

    I have a question for Dr. Biggs. Anyone can comment if they want.

    A doctor, who is a specialist in an other field than diabetes, was writing about the Rice diet,
    which is recommended by Dr. Kempner for treating hypertension. What he wrote kind of shocked me. I
    want you to comment on it.

    He wrote: "The Rice diet have been seen to cure diabetes."

    I wrote: "Why is the ADA not recommending this diet?"

    He wrote: "They (ADA) are owned in part by the drug industry which likes to sell diabetes meds.
    Otherwise they would be recommending getting weight into the low BMI range and THEN use drugs if
    necessary.

    I wrote "I thought there was no cure for diabetes"

    Then he wrote: "Work with your Dr. To do the following test: Test GTT now and then after you have
    gotten to those good insurance weights. If the diabetes is no longer detectable with a GTT then you
    have been able to feed (or starve) your genes so they no longer produce too much fat for what you
    eat. You are no longer insulin resistant."

    I am really puzzled by his statements.

    Well l'm I certainly not. The man is a total balloon and a bullshitter to boot.

    It seems to me that eating just rice for many days if not weeks and months and then add some fruits
    to it for an even longer time is not the ideal way for a diabetic to eat.

    You could say that :-) I'd say it was probably the WORST diet a diabetic could go for.

    He seems to say that it would be the ideal diet for me. I have been at a good weight for years but I
    am still insulin resistant. He thinks that my insulin resistant would completely disappeared.

    I cannot believe it. Should I?

    Should you hell. You SHOULD shoot the messenger on this occasion though.

    I have control by BG well with lots of exercise for 10 years. My A1C is in the normal range. I would
    be happy if it could be controlled more easily without exercise so that, if one day I cannot
    exercise as much my BG would still be controlled. I am a senior and I exercise everyday for around
    10 hours a week. I never go to bed with a BG higher than 7 (126) and often under 6 (108). I do not
    and never follow a high protein diet.

    What do you think?

    I think you carry on as you are and forget about even THINKING about this "diet" or this "doctor".
    I've seen FAR too many "Far Eastern" cures for diabetes (eating just water melons is my
    favourite!!!) and they're all [censored]. Every single one of them. A BALANCED diet is what we (and
    everyone else) needs. That and a certain amount of exercsie, and that goes for T1's and T2's alike.

    Beav

  10. Françoise,

    I really can't add much to the unanimous verdict that the Rice diet is not a treatment for diabetes.

    The statements here have the typical pattern of quackery.

    You might check out "25 ways to spot Quacks" at
    quackwatch.orgspotquack.html

    This guy clearly doesn't have much contact with the ADA, it's publications, or it's funding.

    Best wishes, William C Biggs, MD

    "Françoise" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]... Hi

    I have a question for Dr. Biggs. Anyone can comment if they want.

    A doctor, who is a specialist in an other field than diabetes, was writing about the Rice diet,
    which is recommended by Dr. Kempner for treating hypertension. What he wrote kind of shocked me. I
    want you to comment on it.

    He wrote: "The Rice diet have been seen to cure diabetes."

    I wrote: "Why is the ADA not recommending this diet?"

    He wrote: "They (ADA) are owned in part by the drug industry which likes to sell diabetes meds.
    Otherwise they would be recommending getting weight into the low BMI range and THEN use drugs if
    necessary.

    I wrote "I thought there was no cure for diabetes"

    Then he wrote: "Work with your Dr. To do the following test: Test GTT now and then after you have
    gotten to those good insurance weights. If the diabetes is no longer detectable with a GTT then you
    have been able to feed (or starve) your genes so they no longer produce too much fat for what you
    eat. You are no longer insulin resistant."

    I am really puzzled by his statements. It seems to me that eating just rice for many days if not
    weeks and months and then add some fruits to it for an even longer time is not the ideal way for a
    diabetic to eat.

    He seems to say that it would be the ideal diet for me. I have been at a good weight for years but I
    am still insulin resistant. He thinks that my insulin resistant would completely disappeared.

    I cannot believe it. Should I?

    I have control by BG well with lots of exercise for 10 years. My A1C is in the normal range. I would
    be happy if it could be controlled more easily without exercise so that, if one day I cannot
    exercise as much my BG would still be controlled. I am a senior and I exercise everyday for around
    10 hours a week. I never go to bed with a BG higher than 7 (126) and often under 6 (108). I do not
    and never follow a high protein diet.

    What do you think?

    Françoise.

  11. "Alan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Françoise said:

    I am really puzzled by his statements. It seems to me that eating just rice for many days if not
    weeks and months and then add some fruits to it for an even longer time is not the ideal way for
    a diabetic to eat.

    He seems to say that it would be the ideal diet for me. I have been at a good weight for years
    but I am still insulin resistant. He thinks that my insulin resistant would completely
    disappeared.

    I cannot believe it. Should I?

    I have control by BG well with lots of exercise for 10 years. My A1C is in the normal range. I
    would be happy if it could be controlled more easily without exercise so that, if one day I
    cannot exercise as much my BG would still be controlled. I am a senior and I exercise everyday
    for around 10 hours a week. I never go to bed with a BG higher than 7 (126) and often under 6
    (108). I do not and never follow a high protein diet.

    What do you think?

    Francoise, (sorry, can't work out how to do the interesting French c with a tail)

    Françoise

    Llike that you mean Al? It's [censored] easy. It's also called cut and paste :-)))

  12. Dr. Biggs,

    Thank you for your answer. It just makes all the answers received stronge=
    E. I had decided not to pursue the discussion with this doctor since I am more=

    determine to continue with what I am doing.

    I want to have your permission to use your message if the temptation is t= oo great for me to answer
    him. I will keep your message but I will not use i= t unless I have your permission to use it with
    your name.

    I do not read all the messages from this group but I read most of your me= ssages and it has been a
    good learning experience. You experience on treating di= abetics has been of great value to me. I
    read about medications but I jump anythi= ng on insulin since I am still not on any medication.

    Thank you again.

    Fran=E7oise.

    William C Biggs said:

    Fran=E7oise,

    I really can't add much to the unanimous verdict that the Rice diet is =


    not a

    Quoted message said:

    treatment for diabetes.

    The statements here have the typical pattern of quackery.

    You might check out "25 ways to spot Quacks" at
    quackwatch.orgspotquack.html

    This guy clearly doesn't have much contact with the ADA, it's publicati=


    ons,

    Quoted message said:

    or it's funding.

    Best wishes, William C Biggs, MD

    "Fran=E7oise" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]... Hi

    I have a question for Dr. Biggs. Anyone can comment if they want.

    A doctor, who is a specialist in an other field than diabetes, was writing about the Rice diet,
    which is recommended by Dr. Kempner for treating hypertension. What he wrote kind of shocked me. I
    want you to comment on it.

    He wrote: "The Rice diet have been seen to cure diabetes."

    I wrote: "Why is the ADA not recommending this diet?"

    He wrote: "They (ADA) are owned in part by the drug industry which like=


    s

    Quoted message said:

    to sell diabetes meds. Otherwise they would be recommending getting weight into the low BMI range
    and THEN use drugs if necessary.

    I wrote "I thought there was no cure for diabetes"

    Then he wrote: "Work with your Dr. To do the following test: Test GTT now and then after you have
    gotten to those good insurance weights. If the diabetes is no longer detectable with a GTT then
    you have been able to feed (or starve) your genes so they no longer produce too much fat for what
    you eat. You are no longer insulin resistant."

    I am really puzzled by his statements. It seems to me that eating just rice for many days if not
    weeks and months and then add some fruits to it for an even longer time is not the ideal way for a
    diabetic to eat.

    He seems to say that it would be the ideal diet for me. I have been at =


    a

    Quoted message said:

    good weight for years but I am still insulin resistant. He thinks that my insulin resistant would
    completely disappeared.

    I cannot believe it. Should I?

    I have control by BG well with lots of exercise for 10 years. My A1C is=

    Quoted message said:

    in the normal range. I would be happy if it could be controlled more easily without exercise so
    that, if one day I cannot exercise as much m=


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    BG would still be controlled. I am a senior and I exercise everyday for=

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    What do you think?

    Fran=E7oise.

  13. To all of you who answered me, thank you.

    1.- Alan, do not worry about my name. You can always write =93Francoise=94= or cut and past it. I
    change my computer a year ago and for some reason it took = me sometimes to find the =93=E7=94 it
    was not at the same place on the keybo= ard.

    I have to say that this doctor is not treating me. Let us have a bit of h= istory: Around 6 years
    ago, my blood pressure shoot up to 200/X. This was too hig= h for my doctor=92s liking and me. So
    she started to treat me for it. I was com= ing down slowly without still reaching a good enough
    level. I was put in casual co= ntact with this doctor who gave me good general advice. His specialty
    is hypert= ension. I was please to be able to contact him. With his advice my blood pressure= went
    down to a comfortable level especially for a diabetic. I take my blood pr= essure regularly and
    calculate a running average on 20 measures. Most of the tim= e it is
    <2/<65 with minimum medication.

    I had heard about the Rice diet to help obese people with very high blood=

    pressure and who did not react well to medication. I do not remember when= and how the Rice diet was
    brought up. I remember writing that a diabetic shou= ld not follow this diet. Then he started the
    praise of this diet to a point that= he may have been going too far and was too proud to back off. I
    guess I was so s= urprise at his statements because he always seemed to have had a good judgment. D=
    iabetes is not his subject; maybe his knowledge of it is almost nil.

    By the way no money was involved; just an exchange of e-mail.

    Anyway, I am controlling my tension very well and I am not overweight. I = was not going to try this
    diet, which looks to me dangerous and so borrrrrring. O= n the other hand, I did not want to put it
    aside without some thoughts and good=

    arguments. I am controlling my BG well enough since my A1C is in the norm= al range. On the other
    hand I know that I am insulin resistant enough to get= some spikes after meals (sometime). My
    exercise is saving me but as I get olde= r it may be more difficult. I am not on a high protein diet
    yet. I follow the = DASH diet, which is very similar to the NIDDK=92s one. I move from one to the =
    other now. I always thought that a balance diet was the best for at this stage.= My doctor sent me
    to an endo for a while. After 2 months, he wrote a message= to her saying that I did not need to see
    him anymore unless there is a change. H= e was happy with my control, considering that I am on no
    medication. I do not t= hink that I control my BG as well as most of you.

    Eating leftover chocolate from Halloween is a good way to get spikes. As = soon as I have sent this
    message, I will go on the bike and bring my BG down. Tha= nks goodness, Halloween is only once a
    year. Back to normal tomorrow. I wish = I would be strong, strong strong but I am weak, weak weak in
    from of chocolate.

    I want to thank Old Al in particular for the good and detail analysis. It= is good to see my ideas
    expressed so well by Old Al and all of you. I was ho= ping that Dr. Briggs would have answer; he may
    have brought an extra facet to = this whole thing.

    Alan, thank you for saying that I appear to be rational and intelligent. = I think I am and I am
    considered as such by those who know me well. I tend to ana= lyze a lot. In this case, where there
    seem to be so many contradictions, I thoug= ht: =93Am I missing some thing or what?=94 My first
    thought was to send your argume= nts to him. Now that I got it out of my system, I may drop the
    subject altogethe=
    r. If it comes back, I do not know what I will do then.

    Thanks again. I feel a lot better now. It is good to see our ideas shared= by so many.

    Fran=E7oise.

  14. On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:55:44 -0500, Françoise <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Alan, thank you for saying that I appear to be rational and intelligent. I think I am and I am
    considered as such by those who know me well. I tend to analyze a lot. In this case, where there
    seem to be so many contradictions, I thought: “Am I missing some thing or what?” My first thought
    was to send your arguments to him. Now that I got it out of my system, I may drop the subject
    altogether. If it comes back, I do not know what I will do then.

    Thanks again. I feel a lot better now. It is good to see our ideas shared by so many.

    Françoise.

    Hi Françoise (see, we can all learn sometimes:-) I've forgotten from my high school French
    - cedilla?

    To "analyze a lot" is often a worth-while exercise, but it can lead to engineer's disease -
    paralysis by analysis. That means you can spend so much time analysing the problem you never
    actually get around to doing something about it. I speak as a retired engineer.

    The fact that you listened to this quack (I use the term with some care) and came here to ask about
    it shows that, despite your good efforts at control for so long, you still want to do better. I am
    pretty new at this, but if you want to try something that works, re-read OldAl's advice, then go to
    alt-support-diabetes.orgalt-support-diabetes.org and read Jennifer's advice under "newly diagnosed". You may
    learn a couple of new ideas to improve your already good control.

    But please forget the "rice" diet. Don't even bother with further contact, it will just cause aggro.

    Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  15. Françoise wrote in message <[email hidden]>... To all of you who answered me,
    thank you.

    . . .(snip). . .. On the other hand I know that I am insulin resistant enough to get some spikes
    after meals (sometime). . . .(snip). . .

    Françoise.

    Remember that Type 2 diabetes is characterized by slow destruction of the beta cells which generate
    insulin. The average (U.K average) Type 2 diabetic has lost 50% of her cells when first diagnosed.
    Most T2 continue to lose beta cells as time passes.

    Thus, blood sugar spikes need not be proof of high Insulin Resistance. They could easily be proof
    of. . .er. . ."Type 2 diabetes for quite a while"

    (see Slide 10 at

    medscape.com145

    for a graphical explanation.)

    Regards
    Old Al

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