question about whole grains

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To anyone who might know--

I've been reading in a few cookbooks (macrobiotic,

vegetarian and

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otherwise) that *all* whole grains should be soaked

overnight in water,

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and some say with a tbsp of plain yogurt for fermentation.

I've also

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read that whole rolled oats are not even close to being as

nutritious

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as the whole oat berry, wheat berry, etc., which one grinds

himself.

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Does anyone know if this is true-- are the whole rolled oats

too

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'processed,' even, to get the most benefit from the whole

grain? If I

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soak rolled oats overnight, will it maximize their

nutrition, or does

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this only work with the harder stuff? Obviously rolled oats

will not

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sprout, but I don't know if it makes them more digestible,

and

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therefore of better use to the body. I also read that stuff

like

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granola isn't good because of the way the oats are cooked in

the oven,

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unprepared and subjected to such high heat. I make homemade

granola

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sometimes.

I've also read that lowfat and skim milk products are

somewhat useless

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because the process prevents the nutrients from being

absorbed

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properly? While I eat whole cheese, and sometimes cook with

heavy

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cream, I do consume a fair amount of nonfat-lowfat yogurt

and milk.

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It's lower in calories and I don't want too much saturated

fat. But

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still, if it's of little nutritional value I'd rather at

least opt for

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the 2% milk.

Keep studying..partial solutions don't work...or hair
splitting the 'nutrient' issues when you have other vastly
more important things to handle first.

read a few books on fasting,,, raw juice and water..
understand those issues.
In the meantime eliminate dairy entirely... it has all kinds
of problems for humans... get yer calcium elsewhere.

Eliminate processed foods... and cut way back on red meat...
eat salmon, salads, raw and steamed vegitables, fruits, soy,
not much grains.. instead. Cut canned, fast food or frozen
dinners way back.

Skip breads or cut wa back...one slice a day max. And white
rice and potato's. brown rice is good though and tastes much
richer. .

Work out 3x week in a gym...lightly. so its fun.

If you are over 40 research enzyme suppliments heavily..those
are crucial across a broad spectrum... you must go lightly
with the animal organ derived enzymes and be sure to follow
the directions...I was able to phase back to on tablet a week
in just a month... there is a lot to know about what enzmes
can do for you.

If you get all that right, hair splitting on soaking yer
barley will be a waste of time.

Phil Scott

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read that whole rolled oats are not even close to being as nutritious
as the whole oat berry, wheat berry, etc., which one grinds himself.
Does anyone know if this is true-- are the whole rolled oats too
'processed,' even, to get the most benefit from the whole grain?

Kooks are always suggesting that you have do bizarre stuff in order to
eat healthy. It simply is NOT true. Eating healthy does not have to
be all that difficult.

Cooking and eating whole rolled oats is certainly an acceptable
compromise that is part of a healthy diet.
--
john gohde
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/

Mr-Natural-Health said:

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read that whole rolled oats are not even close to being as

nutritious

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as the whole oat berry, wheat berry, etc., which one grinds

himself.

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Does anyone know if this is true-- are the whole rolled oats too
'processed,' even, to get the most benefit from the whole grain?

Kooks are always suggesting that you have do bizarre stuff in order

to

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eat healthy. It simply is NOT true. Eating healthy does not have to
be all that difficult.

Cooking and eating whole rolled oats is certainly an acceptable
compromise that is part of a healthy diet.
--
john gohde
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/

That's what I've always thought...I mean, the rolled oats are still
'whole.' Just not sprouted, but they're steamed so they should be okay
for the body to digest well...

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:: Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
::: [email hidden] wrote:
:::
:::: read that whole rolled oats are not even close to being as
:::: nutritious as the whole oat berry, wheat berry, etc., which one
:::: grinds himself. Does anyone know if this is true-- are the whole
:::: rolled oats too 'processed,' even, to get the most benefit from
:::: the whole grain?
:::
::: Kooks are always suggesting that you have do bizarre stuff in order
::: to eat healthy. It simply is NOT true. Eating healthy does not
::: have to be all that difficult.
:::
::: Cooking and eating whole rolled oats is certainly an acceptable
::: compromise that is part of a healthy diet.
::: --
::: john gohde
::: http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/
::
:: That's what I've always thought...I mean, the rolled oats are still
:: 'whole.' Just not sprouted, but they're steamed so they should be
:: okay for the body to digest well...

Soaking helps digestion if you have digestive problems. Otherwise it is
unnecessary, unless you eat grains uncooked as it is done in the living food
diet.

--
Juhana

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Soaking helps digestion if you have digestive problems. Otherwise it

is

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unnecessary, unless you eat grains uncooked as it is done in the

living food

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diet.

Thanks. Whenever I eat raw oats it's in muesli, and so I soak them in
yogurt and/or milk overnight.

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Soaking helps digestion if you have digestive problems. Otherwise it
is unnecessary, unless you eat grains uncooked as it is done in the
living food diet.

Personally, I never eat raw oats.

Plain yogurt good enough for fermentation, takes a heck of a lot of
effort to come by. You must start out with health food store quality
yogurt, as most ordinary yogurt is pasteurized and wont ferment.

Yogurt, frankly, is only really needed by females because they are the
ones more likely to come down with yeast and/or intestinal problems.

Homemade granola and muesli ain't all that great to begin with. And, I
never eat the stuff.

The raw foods / living food diet is a bunch of nonsense, and has been
used to justify eating brownies made by dehydration rather than by
cooking, for example.

A true raw foods diet means that you have to eat around 100 grams of
fiber a day, spend all day going to the can, and engage in kooky ways
of making indigestible legumes and grains fit for human consumption.
The diet is simply absurd. And, you will end up with a deficiency of
all your oil soluble nutrients, for starters.

Most people will complain about passing excessive gas from 30 grams of
fiber a day from eating 5 servings of fruits and vegetables a day.
Now, try to imagine what 100 grams of fiber will do to both you and
your digestive track?

Mr-Natural-Health said:

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Soaking helps digestion if you have digestive problems. Otherwise

it

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is unnecessary, unless you eat grains uncooked as it is done in

the

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living food diet.

Personally, I never eat raw oats.

Plain yogurt good enough for fermentation, takes a heck of a lot of
effort to come by. You must start out with health food store quality
yogurt, as most ordinary yogurt is pasteurized and wont ferment.

I don't use it for fermentation, I just like muesli.

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Yogurt, frankly, is only really needed by females because they are

the

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ones more likely to come down with yeast and/or intestinal problems.

I am female.

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Homemade granola and muesli ain't all that great to begin with. And,

I

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never eat the stuff.

What's wrong with them? It's just oats, nuts, and fruit, soaked either
in water or milk/yogurt for a few hours for the flavors to blend. The
granola is the same with a tiny bit of honey and olive or peanut oil,
and is technically cooked.

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The raw foods / living food diet is a bunch of nonsense, and has been
used to justify eating brownies made by dehydration rather than by
cooking, for example.

A true raw foods diet means that you have to eat around 100 grams of
fiber a day, spend all day going to the can, and engage in kooky ways
of making indigestible legumes and grains fit for human consumption.
The diet is simply absurd. And, you will end up with a deficiency of
all your oil soluble nutrients, for starters.

Most people will complain about passing excessive gas from 30 grams

of

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fiber a day from eating 5 servings of fruits and vegetables a day.
Now, try to imagine what 100 grams of fiber will do to both you and
your digestive track?

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Plain yogurt good enough for fermentation, takes a heck of a lot of
effort to come by. You must start out with health food store quality
yogurt, as most ordinary yogurt is pasteurized and wont ferment.

Do explain this. I've used commercial brands of plain yogurt as a
starter for making my own. The brands I see in the supermarkets aren't
pasteurized. They contain live bacilli differing from brand to brand and
are so listed on the package. There's a large milk processing plant near
where I live and I've walked through it. They don't pasteurize their
yogurt and told me it wasn't an industry standard.

What do you mean when you say "good enough for fermentation" above?

Pastorio

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Homemade granola and muesli ain't all that great to begin with.

What's wrong with them? It's just oats, nuts, and fruit, soaked

either

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in water or milk/yogurt for a few hours for the flavors to blend. The
granola is the same with a tiny bit of honey and olive or peanut oil,
and is technically cooked.

Depends on how you define granola.

Basically, I was referring to commercial granola.
http://www.antiaginglifeextension.com/health_matters_minutes/articles/health_bars.asp?a=1563&c=&p=

"Dr. John Harvey Kellogg ... experimented with foods. One of his
developments was a breakfast food of whole grains, baked and ground up,
which he named 'Granula'. He was sued by Dr. Jackson, so he renamed
his concoction 'Granola'!"
http://www.foodreference.com/html/artgranola.html
"A similar cereal called 'Muesli' was developed in the late 19th
century by Dr. Bircher-Benner, a Swiss doctor and nutritionist. It is
now imported into the U.S. under the 'Muesli' name."

Granola as a commercial breakfast cereal is heavy and is indeed hard to
digest. Furthermore, I would expect that long term consumption of
granola cereal would literally wear out your teeth much like old
herbivore animals often end up dying from starvation when their teeth
finally wear down to next to nothing from chewing heavy fibers over a
lifetime.

As far as breakfast cereal goes, hot oatmeal made from rolled oats
makes a soft gooey cereal which is ideal for soaking up excess fat in
your digestive track. Undigested oats from granola probably offers no
health advantages other than fiber.

Mr-Natural-Health said:

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Homemade granola and muesli ain't all that great to begin with.

What's wrong with them? It's just oats, nuts, and fruit, soaked

either

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in water or milk/yogurt for a few hours for the flavors to blend.

The

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granola is the same with a tiny bit of honey and olive or peanut

oil,

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and is technically cooked.

Depends on how you define granola.

Basically, I was referring to commercial granola.

http://www.antiaginglifeextension.com/health_matters_minutes/articles/health_bars.asp?a=1563&c=&p=

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"Dr. John Harvey Kellogg ... experimented with foods. One of his
developments was a breakfast food of whole grains, baked and ground

up,

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which he named 'Granula'. He was sued by Dr. Jackson, so he renamed
his concoction 'Granola'!"
http://www.foodreference.com/html/artgranola.html
"A similar cereal called 'Muesli' was developed in the late 19th
century by Dr. Bircher-Benner, a Swiss doctor and nutritionist. It is
now imported into the U.S. under the 'Muesli' name."

Granola as a commercial breakfast cereal is heavy and is indeed hard

to

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digest. Furthermore, I would expect that long term consumption of
granola cereal would literally wear out your teeth much like old
herbivore animals often end up dying from starvation when their teeth
finally wear down to next to nothing from chewing heavy fibers over a
lifetime.

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As far as breakfast cereal goes, hot oatmeal made from rolled oats
makes a soft gooey cereal which is ideal for soaking up excess fat in
your digestive track. Undigested oats from granola probably offers no
health advantages other than fiber.

What on earth makes you think that a soft gooey cereal soaks up excess
fat in the digestive *tract*?

And what makes you believe that that is some kind of advantage to that?

What happens differently to the fat if it is soaked up by soft cereal
compared to what happens when it isn't soaked up?

And why would you have an "excess" of fat in the digestive tract?

Can you define what exactly is an excess of fat in the digestive tract?

How can you identify an excess of fat in the digestive tract?

What if you have a deficiency of fat in the digestive tract?

How would you know?

And then you go and eat a soft cereal.

What happens then?

Do you lose your imaginary advantage that you supposdly get from soft
oatmeal soaking up fat?

You are an idiot and Kellogg was a quack. End of story.

TC

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The problem with this THREAD is that the female from Cornell University
cannot communicate very well. Apparently, she is trying to follow an
all raw food diet which prohibits the cooking of grains. Hence, she
has to engage in bizarre ways of trying to make raw oaks fit for human
consumption.

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As far as breakfast cereal goes, hot oatmeal made from rolled oats
makes a soft gooey cereal which is ideal for soaking up excess fat

in

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your digestive track. Undigested oats from granola probably offers

no

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health advantages other than fiber.

What on earth makes you think that a soft gooey cereal soaks up

excess

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fat in the digestive *tract*?

And what makes you believe that that is some kind of advantage to

that?

From:
#1 Studying the literature for 7 years.
#2 Writing a 100+ page web site on the subject.
#3 From tracking current research on the topic for 3 years.
#4 From writing a newsletter on the subject for 3 years.

Of course, instant oatmeal cereal makes the gooiest cereal which is NOT
as good as hot rolled oats oatmeal. I was simply describing what good
hot oatmeal looks like. Gooey is not the most desirable characteristic
for cholesterol lowering.

If you think that I am going to write up, the whole story on this
thread for an idiot like you; You are nuts, Mr. Crapper.

Mr-Natural-Health said:

TC wrote:

The problem with this THREAD is that the female from Cornell

University

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cannot communicate very well. Apparently, she is trying to follow an
all raw food diet which prohibits the cooking of grains. Hence, she
has to engage in bizarre ways of trying to make raw oaks fit for

human

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consumption.

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As far as breakfast cereal goes, hot oatmeal made from rolled

oats

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makes a soft gooey cereal which is ideal for soaking up excess

fat

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in

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your digestive track. Undigested oats from granola probably

offers

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no

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health advantages other than fiber.

What on earth makes you think that a soft gooey cereal soaks up

excess

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fat in the digestive *tract*?

And what makes you believe that that is some kind of advantage to

that?

From:
#1 Studying the literature for 7 years.
#2 Writing a 100+ page web site on the subject.
#3 From tracking current research on the topic for 3 years.
#4 From writing a newsletter on the subject for 3 years.

Of course, instant oatmeal cereal makes the gooiest cereal which is

NOT

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as good as hot rolled oats oatmeal. I was simply describing what good
hot oatmeal looks like. Gooey is not the most desirable

characteristic

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for cholesterol lowering.

If you think that I am going to write up, the whole story on this
thread for an idiot like you; You are nuts, Mr. Crapper.

You know, a simple "I haven't really got a clue" would suffice.

TC

TC said:

You know, a simple "I haven't really got a clue" would suffice.

You know, calling TC, 'the Crapper' is about as simple as it gets.
Sometimes simple is best.

I flush [censored] down the crapper, Mr. Crapper. 🙂

Mr-Natural-Health said:

TC said:

You know, a simple "I haven't really got a clue" would suffice.

You know, calling TC, 'the Crapper' is about as simple as it gets.
Sometimes simple is best.

I flush [censored] down the crapper, Mr. Crapper. 🙂

In the absence of any credible argument you resort to childish
name-calling. In other words, you don't have a clue.

TC

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Most people will complain about passing excessive gas from 30 grams of
fiber a day from eating 5 servings of fruits and vegetables a day.
Now, try to imagine what 100 grams of fiber will do to both you and
your digestive track?

Would that be grounds for divorce?

rr

Mr-Natural-Health said:

TC wrote:

The problem with this THREAD is that the female from Cornell

University

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cannot communicate very well. Apparently, she is trying to follow an
all raw food diet which prohibits the cooking of grains. Hence, she
has to engage in bizarre ways of trying to make raw oaks fit for

human

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consumption.

Apparently, you can't read very well; you're extrapolating. I never
said I was on a raw food diet (I even said I eat oatmeal). I just read
that one should rinse and then soak whole grains overnight with a
dollop of yogurt before cooking them.

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As far as breakfast cereal goes, hot oatmeal made from rolled

oats

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makes a soft gooey cereal which is ideal for soaking up excess

fat

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in

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your digestive track. Undigested oats from granola probably

offers

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no

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health advantages other than fiber.

What on earth makes you think that a soft gooey cereal soaks up

excess

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fat in the digestive *tract*?

And what makes you believe that that is some kind of advantage to

that?

From:
#1 Studying the literature for 7 years.
#2 Writing a 100+ page web site on the subject.
#3 From tracking current research on the topic for 3 years.
#4 From writing a newsletter on the subject for 3 years.

Of course, instant oatmeal cereal makes the gooiest cereal which is

NOT

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as good as hot rolled oats oatmeal. I was simply describing what good
hot oatmeal looks like. Gooey is not the most desirable

characteristic

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for cholesterol lowering.

If you think that I am going to write up, the whole story on this
thread for an idiot like you; You are nuts, Mr. Crapper.

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Mr-Natural-Health said:

TC wrote:

The problem with this THREAD is that the female from Cornell

University

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cannot communicate very well. Apparently, she is trying to follow

an

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all raw food diet which prohibits the cooking of grains. Hence,

she

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has to engage in bizarre ways of trying to make raw oaks fit for

human

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consumption.

Apparently, you can't read very well; you're extrapolating. I never
said I was on a raw food diet (I even said I eat oatmeal). I just

read

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that one should rinse and then soak whole grains overnight with a
dollop of yogurt before cooking them.

Apparently, that is why I stated "Apparently" than "does."

Just thought that the scholar from Cornell might want to kow.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!