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  1. I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time and I was
    hoping to do the journey by bike and train. However there is the issue of
    getting from London Victoria station to Euston station on a bike, which I am
    a little apprehensive of. Not because of the traffic, but because I am
    worried about getting lost. It is a fair way between the two stations right
    through the heart of London and looking at the road map it seems there are
    loads of turns and road changes required. What would be the best way for me
    who is not familiar with Londons streets to cycle between the two stations.

    Thanks

    Adam

  2. "Adam Lea" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time and I was
    hoping to do the journey by bike and train. However there is the issue of
    getting from London Victoria station to Euston station on a bike,
    which I am
    a little apprehensive of. Not because of the traffic, but because I am
    worried about getting lost. It is a fair way between the two stations right
    through the heart of London and looking at the road map it seems there are
    loads of turns and road changes required. What would be the best way for me
    who is not familiar with Londons streets to cycle between the two stations.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks

    Quoted message said:

    Adam

    Plan a route on the map, then write yourself an Audax style route sheet,
    which you print out in LARGE and attach to your
    handlebars/barbag/mapclip.

    Use one line per instruction.

    Something like (this is NOT for real)

    Right out of station onto Dingdong Street to junction with St Cuthbert's
    Street where LEFT.
    Proceed for 3/4 mile along Whatsit Road to Roundabout where 3rd exit
    (A469 Blackadder Way) to T...

    etc, etc. Keep the map in your bag in case you get lost.

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  3. Helen Deborah Vecht said:

    "Adam Lea" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time and I was
    hoping to do the journey by bike and train. However there is the issue of
    getting from London Victoria station to Euston station on a bike,
    which I am
    a little apprehensive of. Not because of the traffic, but because I am
    worried about getting lost. It is a fair way between the two stations right
    through the heart of London and looking at the road map it seems there are
    loads of turns and road changes required. What would be the best way for me
    who is not familiar with Londons streets to cycle between the two stations.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks

    Quoted message said:

    Adam

    Plan a route on the map, then write yourself an Audax style route sheet,
    which you print out in LARGE and attach to your
    handlebars/barbag/mapclip.

    Use one line per instruction.

    Something like (this is NOT for real)

    Right out of station onto Dingdong Street to junction with St Cuthbert's
    Street where LEFT.
    Proceed for 3/4 mile along Whatsit Road to Roundabout where 3rd exit
    (A469 Blackadder Way) to T...

    etc, etc. Keep the map in your bag in case you get lost.

    Yep, that's the plan.

    I am not a native but I have been in London for a while.

    Victoria to Euston does not sound too bad to navigate
    if you choose a simple route.

    e.g.

    Off train into station then turn 90 left and exit station.

    Cross Buckingham Palace Rd.
    Along Grosvener Gdns straight into Grosvenor Place.
    To Hyde park corner - Roundabout 3rd exit straight on
    into Park Lane

    To Marble Arch - roundabout 4th exit right into Oxford St.

    Immediately pass Marble Arch tube station on left
    and take 2nd left into Portman St which becomes Gloucester Place.
    [Walk this bit if in doubt]

    Turn Right into Marylebone Road

    [censored] - Euston station is on the left

    /You can't miss it/

    How hard is that? You will need a map.

    Flesh the above description with distances betwen
    waypoints and you should be pretty well set.

    I like /A LOT/ http://www.rac.co.uk/web/routeplanner/
    and choose stations, put in the ones you want.

    When you get the map choose Maximise from along the bottom.

    And what the f*** it has selected the exact same route as me
    looking at the A to Z.

    IF you click and drag a rectangle on the main map it
    zooms to it and you can drag the centre about with
    the "Overview map".

  4. Adam Lea said:

    I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time and I was
    hoping to do the journey by bike and train.

    You can take a bike on the Unde

  5. John Hearns said:
    Adam Lea said:

    I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time and I
    was hoping to do the journey by bike and train.

    You can take a bike on the Unde

    You can take your bike on the Underground, outwith rush hours and on the
    lines near to the surface only.
    So could take the biek from Victoria to Euston Square on the Circle line.

  6. Adam Lea said:

    I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time and I was
    hoping to do the journey by bike and train. However there is the issue of
    getting from London Victoria station to Euston station on a bike, which I am
    a little apprehensive of. Not because of the traffic, but because I am
    worried about getting lost.

    Hyde Park Corner is a bit manic, I avoid it if I can. Look at a route
    via Buckingham Palace, The Mall (never busy), Trafalgar Square (busy
    but slow moving), Charing Cross Road (slight hill), Tottenham Court
    Road, Euston. Quieter routes exist using side streets, but with more
    chance of getting lost.

  7. Adam Lea wrote on 09/09/2006 00:00 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time and I was
    hoping to do the journey by bike and train. However there is the issue of
    getting from London Victoria station to Euston station on a bike, which I am
    a little apprehensive of. Not because of the traffic, but because I am
    worried about getting lost. It is a fair way between the two stations right
    through the heart of London and looking at the road map it seems there are
    loads of turns and road changes required. What would be the best way for me
    who is not familiar with Londons streets to cycle between the two stations.

    For simplicity of navigation I would suggest Victoria Street up to
    Westminster where you turn left up Whitehall to Trafalgar Square
    continuing all the way up Charing Cross Road (which becomes Tottenham
    Court Road) and then take the right _after_ the big Euston Road
    interchange into Drummond Street which takes you straight into the station.

    --
    Tony

    "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
    his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
    - Leonardo da Vinci

  8. Quoted message said:
    Adam Lea said:

    I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time and I was
    hoping to do the journey by bike and train. However there is the issue of
    getting from London Victoria station to Euston station on a bike, which I am
    a little apprehensive of. Not because of the traffic, but because I am
    worried about getting lost.

    Hyde Park Corner is a bit manic, I avoid it if I can. Look at a route
    via Buckingham Palace, The Mall (never busy), Trafalgar Square (busy
    but slow moving), Charing Cross Road (slight hill), Tottenham Court
    Road, Euston. Quieter routes exist using side streets, but with more
    chance of getting lost.

    I'll second that one - it's what I'd be confident of myself,
    and the first bit of it is even rather pleasant. Or was,
    [mumble] years ago when I made it part of my regular commute.

    But the mind boggles at calling Charing Cross Road a hill.
    I don't recollect thinking that, even in my Cambridge days!

    I'd also warn against making a detailed route from a map,
    as suggested by someone else. In central London you'd be
    very lucky to get a mile on such a route before encountering
    a one way street or other form of no entry that scuppers it.

    --
    not me guv


  9. Quoted message said:

    To Hyde park corner - Roundabout 3rd exit straight on
    into Park Lane

    To Marble Arch - roundabout 4th exit right into Oxford St.

    Immediately pass Marble Arch tube station on left
    and take 2nd left into Portman St which becomes Gloucester Place.
    [Walk this bit if in doubt]

    Turn Right into Marylebone Road

    Some of this sounds rather scary.

    25 years ago I would have gone down Victoria street to Parliament
    square, get on the embankment ( got knocked off at that junction
    once.Ah, happy days.)North to waterloo bridge then left through Aldwich
    to Kingsway and straight up to Euston. This would avoid hyde park
    corner and marble arch and is easy to follow because it basically has
    only three targets to head for.About 3 miles total, but allow a good
    half hour for it so you have time to think and look about you.
    TerryJ

  10. [email hidden] wrote on 09/09/2006 01:27 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    To Hyde park corner - Roundabout 3rd exit straight on
    into Park Lane

    To Marble Arch - roundabout 4th exit right into Oxford St.

    Why would you cycle Park Lane, a four lane race track, when there is a
    nice quiet ride through Hyde Park from Hyde Park Corner to Marble Arch?

    --
    Tony

    "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
    his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
    - Leonardo da Vinci

  11. Tony Raven said:

    Adam Lea wrote on 09/09/2006 00:00 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time and I was
    hoping to do the journey by bike and train. However there is the issue of
    getting from London Victoria station to Euston station on a bike, which I am
    a little apprehensive of. Not because of the traffic, but because I am
    worried about getting lost. It is a fair way between the two stations right
    through the heart of London and looking at the road map it seems there are
    loads of turns and road changes required. What would be the best way for me
    who is not familiar with Londons streets to cycle between the two stations.

    For simplicity of navigation I would suggest Victoria Street up to
    Westminster where you turn left up Whitehall to Trafalgar Square
    continuing all the way up Charing Cross Road (which becomes Tottenham
    Court Road) and then take the right _after_ the big Euston Road
    interchange into Drummond Street which takes you straight into the station.

    This is almost certainly the way to go. The other direct route up
    Grosvenor Place and Park Lane is the boundary road for the Congestion
    Charge Zone and always chocka with traffic. Even if you use the bike
    route through Hyde Park you will have to go round Marble Arch which is
    rather tricky if you don't know where you want to be.

    These two maps will help you find your way. Though note that
    Buckingham Palace Road is one way from Lower Grosvenor Place to
    Victoria Street and the end of Victoria Street is one way from
    Bressenden Place to Buckingham Palace Road.

    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=529750&y=181750&z=2&ar=N
    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=529750&y=179750&z=2&ar=N
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  12. Quoted message said:

    Along Grosvener Gdns straight into Grosvenor Place.
    To Hyde park corner - Roundabout 3rd exit straight on
    into Park Lane

    I do Grosvenor Place and HPC every day on my way to work, but I wouldn't
    recommend them to someone who is even slightly nervous about cycling in
    heavy traffic, especially when said heavy traffic includes murderous
    bendy buses.

    To get as far as Hyde Park Corner, the wuieter route is round Buck House
    and up Constitution Hill - choosing the parallel cycle path through
    Green Park if you prefer not to be on the road.

    Quoted message said:

    To Marble Arch - roundabout 4th exit right into Oxford St.

    Instead of going up Park Lane, I would agree with Tony's suggestion to
    go through Hyde Park along the shared path (but watch out for weaving,
    arm-swinging skaters - grrr!), then I would take the toucan crossing
    just before Marble Arch and head down Brook Street, left at Hanover
    Square to cross over Oxford Street to Cavendish Square, then Cavendish
    Place > Mortimer Street > Goodge Street, left on to Tottenham Court Rd
    for a short stretch, right into Torrington Place (you may want to get
    off and walk across TCR if you are not happy about cutting across four
    lanes of traffic to turn right), then left up Gordon Street, which
    brings you out on the Marylebone Road directly opposite Euston.

    Quoted message said:

    Turn Right into Marylebone Road

    Again, not one I would recommend to someone apprehensive about cycling
    in London (although I have done it myself numerous times in perfect
    safety, so maybe I'm over-reacting).

    d.

  13. In article <[email hidden]>
    <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    I like /A LOT/ http://www.rac.co.uk/web/routeplanner/
    and choose stations, put in the ones you want.


    It is generally pretty good, but it keeps telling me to go the wrong way
    down a one-way street. :-\

  14. Rob Morley wrote on 09/09/2006 12:34 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>
    <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    I like /A LOT/ http://www.rac.co.uk/web/routeplanner/
    and choose stations, put in the ones you want.


    It is generally pretty good, but it keeps telling me to go the wrong way
    down a one-way street. :-\

    I prefer http://www.cyclemaps.net/index.html which is specific for
    cycling. You can also use the TfL route planner but IME it often sends
    you on strange and out of the way routes.

    --
    Tony

    "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
    his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
    - Leonardo da Vinci


  15. Quoted message said:

    From Victoria I'd go kind of eastish and northish to the point bounded


    by the Euston Road/Kingsway with the Strand as a southern bound. It's
    kind of a Zen navigation method for the keen Londoner. As long as you
    are moving in the right direction and don't cross the boundary you will
    get there. And have more fun along the way.

    ...d

  16. Adam Lea said:

    I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time and
    I was hoping to do the journey by bike and train. However there is
    the issue of getting from London Victoria station to Euston station
    on a bike, which I am a little apprehensive of. Not because of the
    traffic, but because I am worried about getting lost. It is a fair
    way between the two stations right through the heart of London and
    looking at the road map it seems there are loads of turns and road
    changes required. What would be the best way for me who is not
    familiar with Londons streets to cycle between the two stations.

    Thanks

    Adam

    http://www.lcc.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=37

    I found these maps quite useful during a brief visit to London in 2004.
    If they're still available at no cost you've got very little to lose,
    they're much more suited to cycling than the average road map.
    mark

  17. "Adam Lea" <[email hidden]> wrote

    [snip]

    What would be the best way for me

    Quoted message said:

    who is not familiar with Londons streets to cycle between the two


    stations.

    You say you have a road map, but you could get yourself a free bike
    map as well. Map 10 (out of 19 maps in total) is the map for central
    London, but actually any of the 19 maps will have on the reverse side
    the particular part of central London that you need. Just pick up
    the phone and call 020-7222-1234 and ask them to send you one of the
    maps, or even all 19. The same number works for getting tube maps
    and bus maps as well.

    You might well be able to pick up a bike map at Victoria Station. I
    think there is a TfL information place which should have them, and
    maybe they would be available on racks by the tube station ticket
    offices as well. The same applies at Euston

    In general, most streets, with a couple of exceptions, are pretty
    good for cycling, so you could plan your own route, according to how
    you feel about directness, ease of route finding, seeing the sights,
    or whatever

    Bad locations for cycling are, I would say, Park Lane and Marylebone
    Road - fastish dual carriageways forming part of the ring road round
    the congestion charge area, and Oxford Street, Regents Street and the
    Strand, jammed with buses and taxis to the extent of making cycling
    difficult (in spite of the congestion charge)

    An alternative to Park Lane is the bike path through Hyde Park, nice
    but infested with oblivious wandering tourists. Also you would, with
    Park Lane or bike path, be tempted to get out of the park at the top
    right hand corner, the Marble Arch gyratory, which is particularly
    horrible.

    Helen Vecht's idea of a route sheet is a good one.

    Jeremy Parker

  18. Nick Kew <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Adam Lea said:

    I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time
    and I was
    hoping to do the journey by bike and train. However there is the issue of
    getting from London Victoria station to Euston station on a bike,
    which I am
    a little apprehensive of. Not because of the traffic, but because I am
    worried about getting lost.

    Hyde Park Corner is a bit manic, I avoid it if I can. Look at a route
    via Buckingham Palace, The Mall (never busy), Trafalgar Square (busy
    but slow moving), Charing Cross Road (slight hill), Tottenham Court
    Road, Euston. Quieter routes exist using side streets, but with more
    chance of getting lost.

    Quoted message said:

    I'll second that one - it's what I'd be confident of myself,
    and the first bit of it is even rather pleasant. Or was,
    [mumble] years ago when I made it part of my regular commute.

    Quoted message said:

    But the mind boggles at calling Charing Cross Road a hill.
    I don't recollect thinking that, even in my Cambridge days!

    Quoted message said:

    I'd also warn against making a detailed route from a map,
    as suggested by someone else. In central London you'd be
    very lucky to get a mile on such a route before encountering
    a one way street or other form of no entry that scuppers it.

    Most one way streets are marked in an A-Z type atlas (bold line on left
    side of road, light line on other side.) It's much easier to study a map
    in the lounge than on the road.

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  19. Tony Raven said:

    Adam Lea wrote on 09/09/2006 00:00 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time and I
    was hoping to do the journey by bike and train. However there is the
    issue of getting from London Victoria station to Euston station on a
    bike, which I am a little apprehensive of. Not because of the traffic,
    but because I am worried about getting lost.

    For simplicity of navigation I would suggest Victoria Street up to
    Westminster where you turn left up Whitehall to Trafalgar Square
    continuing all the way up Charing Cross Road (which becomes Tottenham
    Court Road) and then take the right _after_ the big Euston Road
    interchange into Drummond Street which takes you straight into the station.

    I agree. I think Buckingham Palace and the Mall is a nicer route to
    Trafalgar Square than Parliament Square and Whitehall, but all legal
    routes from Victoria to the Palace involve detours, mostly round busy
    one-way systems.

    Colin McKenzie

    --
    On average in Britain, you're more likely to get a head injury walking
    a mile than cycling it.
    So why aren't we all exhorted to wear walking helmets?

  20. Adam Lea said:

    I am planning on travelling to Manchester in about a months time and
    I was hoping to do the journey by bike and train. However there is
    the issue of getting from London Victoria station to Euston station
    on a bike, which I am a little apprehensive of. Not because of the
    traffic, but because I am worried about getting lost. It is a fair
    way between the two stations right through the heart of London and
    looking at the road map it seems there are loads of turns and road
    changes required. What would be the best way for me who is not
    familiar with Londons streets to cycle between the two stations.
    Thanks

    Adam

    A long time ago I had to cross London from one station to the other.

    I hailed a black cab and sat in the bike holding the bike.

    Dunno if you can still do it.

    --
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