Quana: I Told You So!

[Carrera]

The truth is slowly starting to filter out. The bloggers who claimed Quana was partly a propaganda set up by Islamic terrorists and that the photos and images had been doctored are now being taken far more seriously, as is Melanie Phillips who first quoted 2 U.S. bloggers recently on that matter.
Before I get jumped on, consider this:
A photographer who worked for Reuters by the name of Adnan Hajj has just been caught out for faking images and sacked. The Reuters administration had published images taken by the said photographer that had been deliberately doctored by using computer software.
This, in my opinion is a disgrace and about as low as you can get. Adnan Hajj evidently enhanced images of bombed buildings by the IDF in order to make an Israeli airstrike appear as total carnage.
That boils down to unprofessional conduct, cheating, distortion of information and it's also totally sick and even inhuman to use civilian casualties as propaganda tools.
http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/06/reuters-fake-when-will-they-ever-learn/
I'm sorry but the people who have been swallowing Arab propaganda hook line and sinker should have known better and this is evidently the tip of the iceberg. More information is emerging of Hezbollah apparently transporting bodies of war casualties, placing them in civilian buildings such as schools and then taking pics to try and prove a case that the IDF did it on purpose.
Of course, apologists such as Darkboong have swallowed the entire fabrication without question and dismissed any attempt by myself and these bloggers to question this matter.

 

[Carrera]

Jay Currie Says:
August 6th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
"The photographer, Adnan Hajj, was at Qana and took the shot of the poor dust covered child with the fresh new blue pacifier which ran in any number of MSM publications."Full analysis, see the following:
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/188571.php
Israel is not responsible for the tragic loss of life at Qana.
First of all is the 8 hour time gap from when the IAF bombed the building, to the time it collapsed.
Next, is a very curious photo in the NY Times. You’ll notice that the ceiling is completely intact, which doesn’t seem to fit with the rubble below it, nor with the body.
There’s a brilliant photo investigation showing how the bodies of the children were recycled for photo ops during more than a 12 hour period.
From the evidence shown so far, it seems apparent that the building was used as an armaments cache by Hizbollah, that it blew up hours after the Israeli air strike, and the resulting deaths, cruelly exploited by Hizbollah as a great opportunity for photo ops to gain credibility with the international community. Please see the great analysis of this posted on Confederate Yankee."

 

[darkboong]

Jay Currie Says:
August 6th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
"The photographer, Adnan Hajj, was at Qana and took the shot of the poor dust covered child with the fresh new blue pacifier which ran in any number of MSM publications."Full analysis, see the following:

The problem with this line of argument is that the Photographer was not the only person at Qana who made those reports... Red Crescent, Red Cross, Lebanese Army, Sky News, Al-Jazeera, BBC News, UNIFIL and to further back it up a bunch of corpses were dragged out of the rubble and delivered to the pathology lab. Kinda hard to fake that number of corpses under the vigilance of at least half a dozen independent parties.

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/188571.php
Israel is not responsible for the tragic loss of life at Qana.
First of all is the 8 hour time gap from when the IAF bombed the building, to the time it collapsed.

That is what the IDF claimed, they subsequently retracted that claim when the half-dozen parties on the ground bluntly told them otherwise. The IDF has provided at 3 different stories that I know of regarding Qana, whereas the rest of the people *who were actually on the site* said differently. The reports indicated that most of the kids died from pressure from the blast, not by being crushed by falling buildings. Go read the reports.

Next, is a very curious photo in the NY Times. You’ll notice that the ceiling is completely intact, which doesn’t seem to fit with the rubble below it, nor with the body.

Those same photos crop up in Gaza too. That tends to happen when you drop a bomb onto a reinforced concrete building from an aircraft travelling at 300-500kts. You can probably find similar photos from Kosovo, Serbia and Chechnya too.

It is staggering how willing you are to promote fanciful conspiracy theories in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That is a particularly nasty piece of work even by your abysmal moral standards, especially in the light of the fact that the IDF has categorically stated (for decades now) that they will knowingly fire on innocents in order to achieve their nebulous goals.

 

[Carrera]

Sorry, Darkboong, you're going down the path of denial. All the fresh evidence hasn't surfaced yet but things are starting to filter out. This isn't the first time extremists from the Arab world have faked.

The problem with this line of argument is that the Photographer was not the only person at Qana who made those reports... Red Crescent, Red Cross, Lebanese Army, Sky News, Al-Jazeera, BBC News, UNIFIL and to further back it up a bunch of corpses were dragged out of the rubble and delivered to the pathology lab. Kinda hard to fake that number of corpses under the vigilance of at least half a dozen independent parties.



That is what the IDF claimed, they subsequently retracted that claim when the half-dozen parties on the ground bluntly told them otherwise. The IDF has provided at 3 different stories that I know of regarding Qana, whereas the rest of the people *who were actually on the site* said differently. The reports indicated that most of the kids died from pressure from the blast, not by being crushed by falling buildings. Go read the reports.



Those same photos crop up in Gaza too. That tends to happen when you drop a bomb onto a reinforced concrete building from an aircraft travelling at 300-500kts. You can probably find similar photos from Kosovo, Serbia and Chechnya too.

It is staggering how willing you are to promote fanciful conspiracy theories in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That is a particularly nasty piece of work even by your abysmal moral standards, especially in the light of the fact that the IDF has categorically stated (for decades now) that they will knowingly fire on innocents in order to achieve their nebulous goals.

 

[darkboong]

The truth is slowly starting to filter out. The bloggers who claimed Quana was partly a propaganda set up by Islamic terrorists and that the photos and images had been doctored are now being taken far more seriously, as is Melanie Phillips who first quoted 2 U.S. bloggers recently on that matter.

Hmm, right. I trust the word of the people who were actually on the ground at the time Crappy. A bunch of apologists led by a rabid Islamaphobe doesn't strike me as a credible analysis team. Mel P always takes the position that violence against Arabs and Muslims is justified - whatever the circumstances. She has not once condemned violence against Muslims or Arabs to my knowledge.

Of course, apologists such as Darkboong have swallowed the entire fabrication without question and dismissed any attempt by myself and these bloggers to question this matter.

On the one hand we have your Bogs and Boggers who sit in front of a screen a few thosand miles away and simply repeat the story told by the IDF (the people who killed those kids) that has changed at least 3 times.

Then there is the alleged "fabricators", who consist of at least half a dozen qualified independent sources on the ground who all corroborate the same story.

It is a sad day when you are promoting the word of Bigots being fed a line by the murderer of those kids over the independent eye witnesses. You should apologise to the victims and families.

 

[darkboong]

Sorry, Darkboong, you're going down the path of denial. All the fresh evidence hasn't surfaced yet but things are starting to filter out. This isn't the first time extremists from the Arab world have faked.

You have gone beyond the line of bad taste and into the realm of moral depravity. This is the kind of stuff that Holocaust Deniers (rightly) get *****slapped for.

It is time that you quit before you cause someone some real distress.

 

[stevebaby]

Reuters actually said that,out of 900+ images,only 2 had been digitally altered.One of the altered images had 2 extra flares added to an image of an israeli bomber,more for artistic reasons than for propaganda.

 

[Jeytown]

oh dear

i think that when somebody who has clearly never seen combat can make inflamatory remarks simply to point out other pepoles shortcomings

the lowest form of humanity

whether or not your thread is true people on both sides have needlessly died

how does thathave anything to do darkboongs alleged shortcomings as a person

i dont know either parties but i now today realise that you are a poor human who has become blinded by mass media and the belief that it is someone elses reponsibilty to accept your shortcomings.

poor human i wish you all the best in obtaining pyschatriac help

i refuse to believe that this conflict will reveal a true victor

war never does

 

[stevebaby]

The only victors in war are those who profit from it...arms dealers and the rich.
Where have all the flowers gone...?

 

[darkboong]

The only victors in war are those who profit from it...arms dealers and the rich.
Where have all the flowers gone...?

If there was a ceasefire tomorrow (and nothing else), as far as I see it all that Israel has achieved is bombing Lebanon back to the stone age, and about 200 sq.km of Lebanese land Ethnically Cleansed and rendered uninhabitable due to the UXO, Depleted Uranium, and minefields. That is not a credible result of an act of self-defence in my book.

 

[stevebaby]

Israel has also alienated many of the last friends they had in the Middle East,the Maronite christians.One of my neighbours is Lebanese.As he put it,the christians have acted as a buffer between the shiites and sunnis and they were gradually becoming a force for positive change in Lebanon.Nobody was sorry to see the last of the syrians and Lebanon was taking the first tentative steps towards lasting peace and democracy.Lebanese politics have been a very delicate balancing act between the various factions and obviously it hasn't always worked well.Just when there looked to be some hope Israel dumps this **** on them.
It will take years to repair the damage,not just to the physical infrastructure (halliburton will see this as an opportunity),but my neighbour expects a return to civil war.
As if they haven't suffered enough...

 

[Carrera]

When the chips are down, you find who your friends are and I think the majority U.K. population has shown itself wishy-washy in the extreme. Also there is so much hypocrisy at work.
All I can say is that, thus far, London has had one terrorist attack in the metro while about 4 other attacks have been foiled. However, as I said before on many occasions, London police saw fit to pump a dozen or so gushots into the head of an unarmed Brazilian man who turned out to be a simple tourist.
The obvious question to ask is how do people honestly believe the authorities would act if over 90 rockets a day were hitting London?

Israel has also alienated many of the last friends they had in the Middle East,the Maronite christians.One of my neighbours is Lebanese.As he put it,the christians have acted as a buffer between the shiites and sunnis and they were gradually becoming a force for positive change in Lebanon.Nobody was sorry to see the last of the syrians and Lebanon was taking the first tentative steps towards lasting peace and democracy.Lebanese politics have been a very delicate balancing act between the various factions and obviously it hasn't always worked well.Just when there looked to be some hope Israel dumps this **** on them.
It will take years to repair the damage,not just to the physical infrastructure (halliburton will see this as an opportunity),but my neighbour expects a return to civil war.
As if they haven't suffered enough...

 

[Carrera]

The fact remains new evidence is coming to light so it's a matter of waiting to see how things develop.
The IDF reports a significant time-gap between the actual bombing raid and the time the building exploded. It is now suspected there were stockpiles of munitions in the building that ignited at a later time.
More to the point, experts who have looked more carefully at the photos taken from the Qana bombing have detected a number of irregularities. We know for certain that at least one photographer who was at the scene sold Reuters doctored images on another occasion. He lost his job as a result and Reuters has had to make its apologies.
Which ever way you look at it, this is just one case of deception, aimed at the public, the BBC, I.T.V. and CNN to convince people Israel is deliberately targeting civilians which the IDF has denied.
Let's face it: What possible advantage could Israel gain from civilian casualties when diplomacy is so pressing to stop their offensive?

The problem with this line of argument is that the Photographer was not the only person at Qana who made those reports... Red Crescent, Red Cross, Lebanese Army, Sky News, Al-Jazeera, BBC News, UNIFIL and to further back it up a bunch of corpses were dragged out of the rubble and delivered to the pathology lab. Kinda hard to fake that number of corpses under the vigilance of at least half a dozen independent parties.



That is what the IDF claimed, they subsequently retracted that claim when the half-dozen parties on the ground bluntly told them otherwise. The IDF has provided at 3 different stories that I know of regarding Qana, whereas the rest of the people *who were actually on the site* said differently. The reports indicated that most of the kids died from pressure from the blast, not by being crushed by falling buildings. Go read the reports.



Those same photos crop up in Gaza too. That tends to happen when you drop a bomb onto a reinforced concrete building from an aircraft travelling at 300-500kts. You can probably find similar photos from Kosovo, Serbia and Chechnya too.

It is staggering how willing you are to promote fanciful conspiracy theories in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That is a particularly nasty piece of work even by your abysmal moral standards, especially in the light of the fact that the IDF has categorically stated (for decades now) that they will knowingly fire on innocents in order to achieve their nebulous goals.

 

[darkboong]

When the chips are down, you find who your friends are and I think the majority U.K. population has shown itself wishy-washy in the extreme.

By "wishy-washy" you mean that the majority of UK citizens strongly object to the Nanny State evolving into a Fascist's wet dream.

Also there is so much hypocrisy at work.

Indeed. You account for a large chunk of it.

All I can say is that, thus far, London has had one terrorist attack in the metro while about 4 other attacks have been foiled.

Specifics please. You can not honestly include the "Ricin Plot" because the Porton Down expert witnesses categorically denied that there was any threat. They convicted the man on allegedly reading a (factually inaccurate) book and having a bag of castor beans.

The obvious question to ask is how do people honestly believe the authorities would act if over 90 rockets a day were hitting London?

More Ifs, Buts and Maybes. You are being "Wishy Washy".

Firstly I would hope that we had not given any cause to anyone to want to blow up London, however that is not the case because we have aided and abetted in the destruction and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. We are also aiding and abetting in the destruction of Lebanon by facilitating the transfer of weapons that are used against civillians to the IDF.

Secondly I sincerely hope that the authorities wouldn't start killing people on the basis of their perceived colour and creed. Sadly, it has been shown time and time again that they are doing just that without any rockets hitting London.

Quite clearly you do perceive a threat from Arab/Muslim folks, but the motivations you attribute to that threat are utterly irrational. For that reason your analysis of the situation is utterly derranged (to the point where you claiming Qana was faked) and your proposed "solutions" amount to all out Crusade with no discrimination between civillian and militant.

You are using the exact same arguments that were used against the Jews in Nazi Germany, and you are showing the same wilfull disregard for facts that the Nazis did.

You are a sick man Carrera. You still owe Qana an Apology.

 

[darkboong]

The fact remains new evidence is coming to light so it's a matter of waiting to see how things develop.

It's not evidence Crappy. There is absolutely no evidence to support the IDF's claims whatsoever.

The IDF reports a significant time-gap between the actual bombing raid and the time the building exploded. It is now suspected there were stockpiles of munitions in the building that ignited at a later time.

It is not suspected, it is *alleged* by the IDF who dropped the bomb that killed those kids with the intensity of the blast.

More to the point, experts who have looked more carefully at the photos taken from the Qana bombing have detected a number of irregularities.

Name the experts, along with a brief resume for each (or at least a job title).

We know for certain that at least one photographer who was at the scene sold Reuters doctored images on another occasion.

Indeed Crappy, the problem is : The films and photos that have emerged from Qana were not exclusively taken by that particular individual. You have to prove that at least half a dozen sources of images & reports are all doctoring their pictures and reports in exactly the same way. You have failed to do that.

Which ever way you look at it, this is just one case of deception, aimed at the public, the BBC, I.T.V. and CNN to convince people Israel is deliberately targeting civilians which the IDF has denied.

To the contrary. Israeli Army Radio stated that Dan Halutz gave orders to destroy 10 multi-story appartment buildings for every rocket fired into Israel. The IDF *is* targeting civillians by doing that. Over and over again Israeli officials say that they will attack civillian targets in order to achieve their objectives, and they have done just that over and over again.

You can't deny it because they have stated that is their intention, and they are carrying it out, as you can see from the smashed apartment blocks, the flattened towns and villages.

Let's face it: What possible advantage could Israel gain from civilian casualties when diplomacy is so pressing to stop their offensive?

They don't lose anything by killing civillians. What they do gain is land Ethnically Cleansed of Lebanese people. The question is *WHY* are they doing that ?

To answer that question I think it is instructive to compare the current invasion's methods to those used in the previous invasions.

This time around the villages and towns of Southern Lebanon are being systematically destroyed, and their residents ethnically cleansed from the area. Residents who don't leave are bombed. When the shooting abates the surviving refugees won't have anything to come back to, so they won't.

If the IDF successfully take and hold the turf up to the Litani River, a couple of years down the line the Jewish Settlers will start moving into the shiny new homes that the Israeli government will build there for them. All in done in the classic National Socialist way.

I wonder if Ladbrokes would take a bet...

The real goal (the Why) here is Land Grabbing.

 

[Carrera]

The facts are very simple: Adnan Hajj faked photographs for sensationalist effect and was sacked by Reuters. What he did was fraudulent and deceptive since he twisted and falsified evidence to promote a point of view.
I'm far from being the only one to start asking questions.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21956_Reuters_Doctoring_Photos_from_Beirut&only
"The photographer who took this picture (probably also the person who doctored it), Adnan Hajj, is rather well-known to LGF readers. In fact, rather well-known to the entire world.
He also took this infamous photograph from Qana of the guy in the green helmet, parading a dead body around for pictures, featured on the front pages of newspapers worldwide: Yahoo! News Photo."
The picture enclosed below has now been detected as cloned - the buildings were cloned via software to give the effect of a WW2 style blitz.

By "wishy-washy" you mean that the majority of UK citizens strongly object to the Nanny State evolving into a Fascist's wet dream.



Indeed. You account for a large chunk of it.



Specifics please. You can not honestly include the "Ricin Plot" because the Porton Down expert witnesses categorically denied that there was any threat. They convicted the man on allegedly reading a (factually inaccurate) book and having a bag of castor beans.



More Ifs, Buts and Maybes. You are being "Wishy Washy".

Firstly I would hope that we had not given any cause to anyone to want to blow up London, however that is not the case because we have aided and abetted in the destruction and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. We are also aiding and abetting in the destruction of Lebanon by facilitating the transfer of weapons that are used against civillians to the IDF.

Secondly I sincerely hope that the authorities wouldn't start killing people on the basis of their perceived colour and creed. Sadly, it has been shown time and time again that they are doing just that without any rockets hitting London.

Quite clearly you do perceive a threat from Arab/Muslim folks, but the motivations you attribute to that threat are utterly irrational. For that reason your analysis of the situation is utterly derranged (to the point where you claiming Qana was faked) and your proposed "solutions" amount to all out Crusade with no discrimination between civillian and militant.

You are using the exact same arguments that were used against the Jews in Nazi Germany, and you are showing the same wilfull disregard for facts that the Nazis did.

You are a sick man Carrera. You still owe Qana an Apology.

 

[Carrera]

Bloggers worldwide are continuing to..............waffle[/url]

 

[Carrera]

Reuters has withdrawn a second photograph and admitted that the image was doctored, following the emergence of new suspicions against images provided by the news organization. The latest image to face doubts is a photograph of an Israeli F-16 fighter jet over the skies of Lebanon, seen in the image firing off "missiles during an air strike on Nabatiyeh," according to the image's accompanying text provided by Reuters.
For the details, see My Pet Jawa. Congratulations to Rusty Shackleford for exposing another of Adnan Hajj's fakes.
Reuters has now recalled all of Hajj's photos:
The two altered photographs were among 43 that Hajj filed directly to the Reuters Global Pictures Desk since the start of the conflict on July 12 rather than through an editor in Beirut, as was the case with the great majority of his images."

 

[darkboong]

The facts are very simple: Adnan Hajj faked photographs for sensationalist effect and was sacked by Reuters.

The photos he is accused of modifying didn't actually relate to Qana at all, and the "touch up" work he did not misrepresent the subject matter either. The buildings are still burning, they are still in ruins...

What he did was fraudulent and deceptive since he twisted and falsified evidence to promote a point of view.

Let me remind you of the outrageous claim you are making here : You are claiming that Qana was faked. In that context making the smoke blacker over a building in Lebanon is pushing a point of view over Qana. This is another example of "attack the person, not the evidence".

Furthermore you still haven't addressed the other more significant points that I made, allow me to remind you because your bigotry makes you very hard of understanding :

Indeed Crappy, the problem is : The films and photos that have emerged from Qana were not exclusively taken by that particular individual. You have to prove that at least half a dozen sources of images & reports are all doctoring their pictures and reports in exactly the same way. You have failed to do that.

You have no evidence for your ioutrageous claim whatsoever. You owe the people of Qana an apology.

 

[darkboong]

Reuters has withdrawn a second photograph and admitted that the image was doctored, following the emergence of new suspicions against images provided by the news organization. The latest image to face doubts is a photograph of an Israeli F-16 fighter jet over the skies of Lebanon, seen in the image firing off "missiles during an air strike on Nabatiyeh," according to the image's accompanying text provided by Reuters.

Oddly enough I did see that photo and I thought that it looked like it was dropping IR decoys to me.

The kids still got bombed at Qana.