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Quackpotwatch - Jenny Burke Story

Carole · 2003-12-27T02:08:39+00:00

From Quackpotwatch newsletter of December 19, The Jenny Burke Story makes for interesting reading. There is a link at the end of this link (pdf file) http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/australian_health_freedom_moveme.htm Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm _________________________ [Extract from the newsletter] . . .It is a classic battle between Good and Evil. In the US, where I live, the "Health" movement has been a sleeping giant, growing, without assistance, to immense proportions, where it now commands more than half of the US health dollar, and acceptance by 88% of the adult population. More amazing, is that, for all practical purposes, "Health," is an out-of-pocket expenditure for those US citizens, in addition to those fees they pay for health insurance. In the US, the Medical Bureaucracy, made up of the Health Insurance Industry and the US government sponsored problem-laden Medicare, have become the SOLE supporters of "Medicine" - and the ONLY ones who will pay for it. American citizens won't put out an out-of-pocket nickel for any of it - except cosmetic offerings (face lifts, breast enhancements, etc.). And, that makes for an interesting situation. The whole US American Medical Bureaucracy apparatus is now at risk, because of the "Health" movement. Why? "Medical" costs are soaring through the roof, because of the sheer greed inherent in the system. The system is, literally, eating itself. Health Insurance Executives are businessmen. They know the system is crumbling, falling in on itself, and that the US economy cannot, and will not, continue to sustain the soaring cost. So, they are looking for "alternatives." Alternatives? Yes, alternatives... as in "Alternative Medicine." US Health Insurance, and in fact, all insurance companies, are already offering discounted rates to "non-smokers." How long will it be before health insurance companies offer discount rates to those who have removed their mercury tooth fillings? How long will it be before health insurance companies offer discount rates to those who are willing to have a blood test, or other lab work, done to determine what heavy metals, parasites, and toxins are in their bodies, and are willing to undergo body cleansing programs? How long will it be before health insurance companies offer "Health?" And, that's what's REALLY worrying the Medical Establishment - the insurance companies turning away from "treatment," towards "cure" and prevention" strategies. It will be the end of "Medicine," as we know it. It's why "Medicine" has set up, and funded, the "quackbuster" operation - to discredit "Health," and maintain the profit margin, now matter how many people suffer and die needlessly. Despite an organized campaign, "Medicine" is not winning... The "Sleeping Giant" Awakes.... Worldwide, health freedom movements are springing up and having huge successes using simple strategies and tactics. Why? I think it's because of the sheer overwhelming numbers of people involved in the "Health" movement worldwide, and their belief in the rightness of their mission. Britain and Canada come to mind as well run campaigns I'll tell you about in another newsletter. In Australia, a health freedom movement is coalescing to counter the machinations of an organized "quackbuster" attack. It has completed "step #1" of any battle plan. It has identified the problem at hand. There's an old adage that says "Identifying the problem is half way to solution." I absolutely know this to be true. I'm going to let you read Australia's "Step #1" in a minute. It's in the form a of a well written article by Eve Hillary titled "Casualties of Corporate Medicine - The Jennie Burke Story." Click here... It's a PDF file, so it'll take a minute to load. And stay tuned...

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Carole
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27 December 2003, 02:08 UTC #1

From Quackpotwatch newsletter of December 19, The Jenny Burke Story makes for interesting reading.
There is a link at the end of this link (pdf file)
quackpotwatch.orgaustralian health freedom moveme.htm
Carole austarmetro.com.auhealth.htm
_________________________
[Extract from the newsletter]
. . .It is a classic battle between Good and Evil.
In the US, where I live, the "Health" movement has been a sleeping giant, growing, without
assistance, to immense proportions, where it now commands more than half of the US health dollar,
and acceptance by 88% of the adult population. More amazing, is that, for all practical purposes,
"Health," is an out-of-pocket expenditure for those US citizens, in addition to those fees they pay
for health insurance.
In the US, the Medical Bureaucracy, made up of the Health Insurance Industry and the US government
sponsored problem-laden Medicare, have become the SOLE supporters of "Medicine" - and the ONLY ones
who will pay for it. American citizens won't put out an out-of-pocket nickel for any of it - except
cosmetic offerings (face lifts, breast enhancements, etc.). And, that makes for an interesting
situation.
The whole US American Medical Bureaucracy apparatus is now at risk, because of the "Health"
movement. Why? "Medical" costs are soaring through the roof, because of the sheer greed inherent in
the system. The system is, literally, eating itself. Health Insurance Executives are businessmen.
They know the system is crumbling, falling in on itself, and that the US economy cannot, and will
not, continue to sustain the soaring cost. So, they are looking for "alternatives." Alternatives?
Yes, alternatives... as in "Alternative Medicine."
US Health Insurance, and in fact, all insurance companies, are already offering discounted rates to
"non-smokers." How long will it be before health insurance companies offer discount rates to those
who have removed their mercury tooth fillings?
How long will it be before health insurance companies offer discount rates to those who are willing
to have a blood test, or other lab work, done to determine what heavy metals, parasites, and toxins
are in their bodies, and are willing to undergo body cleansing programs?
How long will it be before health insurance companies offer "Health?"
And, that's what's REALLY worrying the Medical Establishment - the insurance companies turning away
from "treatment," towards "cure" and prevention" strategies. It will be the end of "Medicine," as we
know it. It's why "Medicine" has set up, and funded, the "quackbuster" operation - to discredit
"Health," and maintain the profit margin, now matter how many people suffer and die needlessly.
Despite an organized campaign, "Medicine" is not winning...
The "Sleeping Giant" Awakes....
Worldwide, health freedom movements are springing up and having huge successes using simple
strategies and tactics. Why? I think it's because of the sheer overwhelming numbers of people
involved in the "Health" movement worldwide, and their belief in the rightness of their mission.
Britain and Canada come to mind as well run campaigns I'll tell you about in another newsletter.
In Australia, a health freedom movement is coalescing to counter the machinations of an organized
"quackbuster" attack. It has completed "step #1" of any battle plan. It has identified the problem
at hand. There's an old adage that says "Identifying the problem is half way to solution." I
absolutely know this to be true.
I'm going to let you read Australia's "Step #1" in a minute. It's in the form a of a well written
article by Eve Hillary titled "Casualties of Corporate Medicine - The Jennie Burke Story." Click
here... It's a PDF file, so it'll take a minute to load.
And stay tuned...

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David Wright
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28 December 2003, 21:08 UTC #2

In article <[email hidden]>,
Carole said:
From Quackpotwatch newsletter of December 19, The Jenny Burke Story makes for interesting reading.
There is a link at the end of this link (pdf file)
quackpotwatch.orgaustralian health freedom moveme.htm
Carole
A Tim Bolen piece, although Carole didn't attribute it. Of course, just by reading it, you could
tell. The rank odor emanating from the text was the tipoff.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Jan
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29 December 2003, 04:03 UTC #3

Quoted message said:
Subject: Re: Quackpotwatch - Jenny Burke Story
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 12/28/2003 2:42 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>
In article <[email hidden]>, Carole
Quoted message said:
From Quackpotwatch newsletter of December 19, The Jenny Burke Story makes for interesting reading.
There is a link at the end of this link (pdf file)
Quoted message said:
quackpotwatch.orgaustralian health freedom mov

eme.htm
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:

Carole
A Tim Bolen piece, although Carole didn't attribute it. Of course, just by reading it, you could
tell. The rank odor emanating from the text was the tipoff.
Isn't it strange David didn't comment on the pfd link??
The pfd link was written by Eve Hillary, medical analyst, public speaker and writer on issues
pertaining to the Health Care Industry and Environmental health.
It is a step by step revealment of how organized medicine takes over. It reveals the role played by
Peter Bowditch.
Keywords:
Corrupt system
Witch hunt
Stop all alternative
Committees set up to agree how to *attack* alternative practitioners.
Ignoring all the needless deaths, mistakes and side effects of drugs. Keeps adverse reactions a
secret *because the public is too stupid to understand*
Political contacts
Jeanny Burke was making strides in chemical sensitivity and a possible cure for many diseases. She
was made a life long member in the Austian Oncoclgy Society. She was awarded a honorary doctorate of
Alternative and Wholistic medicine. She was in heavy demand as a presenter at international
scientific conferences and symposia.
There was excitment about the non toxic cancer options. When word got around a few organized medicie
members were upset.
Pharmaceutical companies with all their *chemicals* would get their toes stepped on <grasp>
Enter Professor Dwyer and Peter Bowditch who has NO medical qualifications and the start of *dirty
tactics* began.
As in; you either *obey* us *conform*and be under our *control* or pass into oblivion.
The list of trumpted up charges began. False, misleading information, and *deceptive* conduct.
Racketeer In Medicine.
I hadn't read it, until it was reposted.
Peter Bowditch is another Stephen Barrett who have control problems, may God have mercy on their
souls for this evil corrupt movement, which has nothing to do with health.
Toss Jenny Burke over board.
THEY DON'T WANT CURES, THEY WANT POWER.
Thanks Carole, it is a must read that shows the EXACT MANY DIRTY TACTICS and E V I L S OF
RACKETEERING IN MEDICINE.
Jan

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Peter Bowditch
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29 December 2003, 06:09 UTC #4

(David Wright) said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Carole
Quoted message said:
From Quackpotwatch newsletter of December 19, The Jenny Burke Story makes for interesting reading.
There is a link at the end of this link (pdf file)
quackpotwatch.orgaustralian health freedom moveme.htm
Carole
A Tim Bolen piece, although Carole didn't attribute it. Of course, just by reading it, you could
tell. The rank odor emanating from the text was the tipoff.
And a damn fine piece of writing it was too. As I was heavily featured in it, I thought a reply was
necessary. Here it is (from The Millenium Project).
Down under secrets revealed (20/12/2003)
As I left the recent Mind, Body, Spirit Festival in Sydney, I picked up a free newspaper devoted to
madness, superstition and quackery. There was an article in it by a "journalist" named Eve Hillary.
I commented to a bystander at the time that I had only read three words before I knew that it was a
pack of lies. Those three words were "by Eve Hillary". The same article was published on the web
site of the Australian Vaccination Network, where readers were told that the article had been
suppressed and nobody could read it. When I read this censored and suppressed article, my prejudices
were confirmed.
It was a story about how a girl had been taken from her parents because they were refusing to
provide her with proper medical treatment. Ms Hillary claims that the girl and her family were not
identifiable from her article, but as they came from a very small country town there was no way that
their identities could be hidden from the neighbours. To give you an indication of the truthfulness
of Ms Hillary and her complete contempt for both facts and her readers, I will mention four
statements which appear on just one page of the story. Feel free to reconcile them with each other.
1) The girl was far too sick and weak to travel to school
2) The girl was able to travel a couple of hundred kilometres to a quack's office, where she "jumped
around his consultation room while he tried to elicit a history from her. Finally, he let her
twirl around in his office chair in order to test her stamina".
3) The girl was being schooled at home because of her inability to travel to her public school.
4) When asked about her condition, the girl's public school had said that she was "always well
groomed and cared for".
Eve Hillary has now come to my attention again because of something she wrote in November this
year. I don't know where it was published and I first heard about it when our friend from above,
Tim Bolen, advised his millions of acolytes about the dire straits of alternative medicine in
Australia. The article has a lot to say about me and again illustrates that Eve Hillary is either
an extremely gullible and incompetent journalist who is incapable of researching the truth behind
what she writes, or she just doesn't care whether what she writes is factual or not. I won't
address all the lies and misconceptions in the article, because that would involve me commenting on
almost every sentence. You can read the full thing here (and, yes, that is a link to Bolen's web
site. Why should I pay for the bandwidth to let people read it?). I will just comment about three
things that caught my eye.
Ms Hillary raves on about the 18,000 needless deaths in Australian hospitals, and even provides a
reference to a 1975 article in the Medical Journal of Australia written by a Professor William
Runciman. I have read that article, and the 18,000 figure is an estimate with a 95% confidence range
of 12,000 to 23,000. A range like this suggests that further research is needed, and in fact Dr
Runciman has done just that. He published further research in 2000 which suggested that the estimate
might be as high as 10,000, but only about half of these could be prevented. (The 2000 Runciman
report is cited in several places on the 'net with a comment that it shows the number as 14,000.
These citations always refer to the executive summary of the report (without telling anyone where to
read it) but the numerals "1" and "4" do not occur together anywhere in the paper, not even in a
page number. The people citing it and saying 14,000 are lying. Not mistaken. Lying.) You might say
that perhaps Eve Hillary is not aware of Dr Runciman's later research and so she is still quoting
his original paper. You would be wrong, because in an attack on an attempt to clean up quackery she
quoted the second report. She thought that nobody would notice. Someone did.
The purpose of the article by Ms Hillary is a defence of a quack named Jennie Burke who specialises
in defrauding people by using the scam of "live blood analysis". Much is made in the article of a
committee set up last year by the New South Wales government to investigate the more egregious forms
of quackery, of which Jennie Burke's particular scam is a good example. What Ms Hillary has
forgotten to tell us is that this committee has representatives of the "alternative medicine"
industry on it, and one of them just happens to work out of Jennie Burke's office premises. I can
only assume that the relevant bureaucrats at the health department are unaware of this connection
and that there is someone on the committee who must be committed to its failure. I am still amazed
at the reaction to this committee. Why would the industry not want the crooks routed out? Perhaps
because there would be nobody left.
The third thing is something so funny that I couldn't make it up. Eve Hillary is a great believer in
conspiracies, and goes on at some length about how the World Bank is driving the attack on quackery.
(Good for them if they are.) Like all conspiracy believers, she sees demons under every bed and has
no sense of humour or irony. In her article she says:
Quoted message said:
Bowditch also has a link to a restricted access discussion group that is only open to "approved"
members. The discussion group, QuackbustersOfTheIlluminati, states its purpose as being: "This
is a meeting place for the anti-alternative-medicine committee of the Illuminati, where we can
meet and consider our attack on health freedom within the broader agenda of world domination."
It is not known what relationship Bowditch has with this group, why it is secretive or why it
was formed.
My relationship with this group is that it is a mailing list at Yahoo! which I set up as a joke.
That's "JOKE", Ms Hillary. As I have supreme power over membership in the group, I have logged on to
Yahoo! and performed the necessary ceremonies to invite Eve Hillary to be a member. If she accepts
the invitation, I promise to teach her the secret handshake. She will have to be a member for some
time however before I can introduce her to the Pope, Bill Gates, Queen Elizabeth and other members
of the Illuminati's top committees.
--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsoles
The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlight
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Peter Bowditch
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29 December 2003, 16:13 UTC #5

(Jan) said:
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Subject: Re: Quackpotwatch - Jenny Burke Story From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden] Date:
12/28/2003 11:02 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>
Now Peter is trying to trash Jenny Burke.
Who is Jenny Burke? Do you mean Jennie Burke?
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Typical, despicable from Peter.
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Eve Hillary is either an extremely gullible andincompetent journalist who is

incapable of researching the truth
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behind what she writes, or she just doesn't care whether what she writes is factual or not.
WOW. After Peter just wrote the Burzynski claims a cure for cancer and aids. That kind of factual
Jan snipped a quite specific example of Eve Hillary's dishonesty where she had made a series of mutually-
contradictory statements.
Eve Hillary thinks that conventional medicine is a conspiracy of Jews, Bill Gates, the Masons, the
Pope and the British Royal Family. Eve Hillary is suspicious of my association with the Illuminati.
Eve Hillary is barking mad.
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Honestly, he is getting like Rich who accuses others of his EXACT actions.
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Ms Hillary raves on
Mrs. Hillary didn't rave once.
Eve Hillary thinks that the Illuminati have a mailing list at Yahoo! That is raving.
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The purpose of the article by Ms Hillary is a defence of a quack named Jennie Burke who
specialises in defrauding people by using the scam of "live blood analysis"
One can read the truth at the link. She isn't a quack, she was in demand for speaking at
conferences.
Is that a qualification? I will be speaking at a conference shortly.
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Jennie Burke's particular scam
Peter is such a liar.
Notice how Jan snipped what I really said? Jennie Burke's particular scam is live blood analysis. It
takes about two minutes to prove that this is fraud to anyone prepared to listen, but the bucks keep
rolling in.
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Jeanny Burke was making strides in chemical sensitivity and a possible cure for many diseases. She
was made a life long member in the Austian Oncoclgy Society. She was awarded a honorary doctorate
of Alternative and Wholistic medicine. She was in heavy demand as a presenter at international
scientific conferences and symposia.
She was, and is, a charlatan who deceives people in order to steal their money.
Quoted message said:
Keywords:
Corrupt system
Witch hunt
Stop all alternative
Committees set up to agree how to *attack* alternative practitioners.
Ignoring all the needless deaths, mistakes and side effects of drugs. Keeps adverse reactions a
secret *because the public is too stupid to understand*
Political contacts
Pharmaceutical companies with all their *chemicals* would get their toes stepped on <grasp>
Enter Professor Dwyer and Peter Bowditch who has NO medical qualifications and the start of *dirty
tactics* began.
As in; you either *obey* us *conform*and be under our *control* or pass into oblivion.
The list of trumpted up charges began. False, misleading information, and *deceptive* conduct.
Racketeer In Medicine.
I hadn't read it, until it was reposted.
Peter Bowditch is another Stephen Barrett who have control problems, may God have mercy on their
souls for this evil corrupt movement, which has nothing to do with health.
Toss Jenny Burke over board.
Who is Jenny Burke?
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THEY DON'T WANT CURES, THEY WANT POWER.
Thanks Carole, it is a must read that shows the EXACT MANY DIRTY TACTICS and E V I L S OF
RACKETEERING IN MEDICINE.
There is a link at the end of this link (pdf file)
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
quackpotwatch.orgaustralian health freedom mov

eme.htm
Jan
--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsoles
The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 ratbags.comloon
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Ilsa9
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29 December 2003, 23:15 UTC #6

Lucifer (Jan Drew) said:
Stop all alternative

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Mark Thorson
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30 December 2003, 02:59 UTC #7

Jan the Accuser said:
Quoted message said:
The Anatoxin-a Primer implied that Super Blue Green Algae from Klamath

Lake,
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produced by Cell Tech, contains anatoxin-a (a neurotoxin I characterized asaddictive), and that
Cell Tech
***deliberately**** avoids testing for this
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toxin
THERE IS THE LIE!!!!!
Well, Jan, what exactly do the statements referred to by this statement say? What is the original
statement which is a lie?
You say that there is a lie in the file "An Anatoxin-A Primer". Let's see that lie. Post a
WHOLE ORIGINAL STATEMENT from that file which is a lie. Not the whole file, just a statement
which is a LIE.
Certainly, you know where that part is, don't you Jan? Or do you just accuse people of being liars
without regard to whether they've lied or not.
Why don't you post this part, Jan? Then you'd prove that I'd lied, by posting the actual lie itself,
rather than merely a statement that refers to the (alleged) lie.
Why don't you do that, Jan?
Is it because if you did, everybody would see that this statement is OBVIOUSLY NOT A LIE?
Is it because if you did, everybody would see the Jan Drew has FALSELY ACCUSED me of being a LIAR?
Is it because if you did, everybody would see that it is Jan Drew who is the LIAR?
Is that it, Jan?
Is that why you won't post this LIE you claim I told?
You are a despicable human being.

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Peter Bowditch
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30 December 2003, 07:19 UTC #8

(Jan) said:
Quoted message said:
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden] Date: 12/29/2003 7:35 AM Central Standard Time Message-
id: <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

<snip>
The story is here.
quackpotwatch.orgCasualties%20of%20Corporate%20M edicine.pdfFinaledit.pdf
I should point out to Jan that Eve Hillary has no posting record on MHA and therefore cannot be
trusted. To make matters worse, that link is from a page on Tim Bolen's site, and Jan has often said
how she doesn't like his tactics.
But that is all right, because it is an attack on me, so it must be believed.
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Everyone is free to read it and see how organized medicine works, and the role Peter plays in
this evil.
If Eve Hillary had got anything right it might have said something about me, but as she is a
paranoid crank it means nothing. She thinks I'm part of the Illuminati. I may well be, but the
evidence is very hard to find of such things and she didn't find any.
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Organized medicine does not want cures, wants to deny real diseases, and wants power.
Why wouldn't organised medicine want cures? Do you think that organised medicine is like Burzynski,
who beavers away for 30 years with 8,000 patients and never finds a cure for anything?
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Are so desperate they nitpick about the spelling of a name.
If someone repeatedly misspells the name of someone it indicates sloppiness, especially when they
are copying from somewhere where it is spelled correctly. In another context (I apologise to the
analogy challenged) this is called the "broken window principle".
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The evil is clear, Peter's name calling is just a small part of the picture.
Name calling? I though it was Eve Hillary who was doing the name calling?
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Jan
<snip redundancy>
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Peter Bowditch
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31 December 2003, 08:28 UTC #9

(Jan) said:
Quoted message said:
Subject: Re: Quackpotwatch - Jenny Burke Story From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden] Date:
12/29/2003 10:18 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>
(Jan) said:
>From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden] Date: 12/29/2003 7:35 AM Central Standard Time Message-
>id: <[email hidden]>
>
>[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
>
<snip>
The story is here.
quackpotwatch.orgCasualties%20of%20Corporate%20M
edicine.pdfFinaledit.pdf
I should point out to Jan that Eve Hillary has no posting record on MHA and therefore cannot
be trusted
She didn't post here, you are confused.
But I thought that only people with a posting history were credible?
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To make matters worse, that link is from a page on Tim Bolen's site, and Jan has often said how
she doesn't like his tactics.

The link was merely provided by Tim, he had nothing to do with the link itself.
But, but, but ... Surely if he provides a link on his web site he must take full responsibility for
what the linked page says. This wasn't just any old link to a book review at Amazon.com (for which I
have been held responsible by, who was it again? Oh, that's right. You.). This was a page on his own
site. According to your rules book reviews at Amazon belong to me, so surely pdf files on Tim's own
web site belong to Tim. Or are you a hypocrite? That question was rhetorical.
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Wonder why none of the debunkers posted it??
I posted it on my web site. It was too funny have it restricted to the small audience of Tim's site.
By the way, Tim, if you are reading this - don't forget next Friday. Milk and two sugars, please.
Real sugar, too, not stevia or aspartame.
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But that is all right, because it is an attack on me, so it must be believed.
If the shoe fits, and all of that.
It fits in the manner that a very large gumboot will fit almost any foot. Did you read it? Did you
see the bit about the Illuminati? Do you realise how crazy it makes someone look to talk seriously
about the Illuminati?
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You are really right there in the middle of EVIL organized medicine, wiith it's power hungry
tactics and politics. Of course we all know that you never do any attacking.
I have never denied attacking anybody. When attacking is called for, I'm your man.
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You know the old saying, what goes around, comes around.
I do know it. Mr O'Neill has reminded me of it many times when he has talked about closing my web
site and sending me to prison.
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Everyone is free to read it and see how organized medicine works, and the

role
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Peter plays in this evil.
<Snip attack on the exposer>
What was snipped was a mention of how Eve Hillary believes that a mailing list at Yahoo! is somehow
connected with a vast and secret international conspiracy.
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Organized medicine does not want cures, wants to deny real diseases, and

wants power.
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Why wouldn't organised medicine want cures?
Been answered dozens of times.
I've forgotten Remind me.
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Do you think that organised medicine is like Burzynski, who beavers away for 30 years with 8,000
patients and never finds a cure for anything?
No, I KNOW organized medicine is fighting him tooth and nail, because he is much more successful
than they are. They have used up thie bag of dirty tricks, and they failed. One thing they
accomplished is to show just how EVIL they are.
If he is so successful, why hasn't he cured anyone? Has he cured anyone, Jan?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
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Are so desperate they nitpick about the spelling of a name.
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If someone repeatedly misspells the name of someone it indicates sloppiness, especially when they
are copying from somewhere where it is spelled correctly. In another context (I apologise to the
analogy challenged) this is called the "broken window principle".
Wha is it called when you make up things, Peter???
I do not understand the question. What did I make up in the previous paragraph.
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The evil is clear, Peter's name calling is just a small part of the picture.
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Name calling?
Uh huh,
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I though it was Eve Hillary who was doing the name calling?
Yes, sweety, we know you never do any name calling.
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Jan
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Yep, I always snip you advertising.
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both
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(Jan) said:
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Subject: Re: Quackpotwatch - Jenny Burke Story From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden] Date:
12/30/2003 11:00 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>
(Jan) said:
>Subject: Re: Quackpotwatch - Jenny Burke Story From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
>Date: 12/29/2003 10:18 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
><[email hidden]>
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>>>From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden] Date: 12/29/2003 7:35 AM Central Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
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>>>[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
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>>The story is here.
>>
>>quackpotwatch.orgCasualties%20of%20Corporate%20M
>>edicine.pdfFinaledit.pdf
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>I should point out to Jan that Eve Hillary has no posting record on MHA and therefore cannot be
>trusted
She didn't post here, you are confused.
But I thought that only people with a posting history were credible?
I repeat:
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>is from a page on Tim Bolen's site, and Jan has often said how she doesn't like his tactics.
>
The link was merely provided by Tim, he had nothing to do with the link

itself.
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But, but, but
Careful now, you are stuttering, maybe that goes along with talking out of both sides of
the mouth??
It is not possible to make the voiced plosive phoneme "b" by opening both sides of your mouth, at
least not as a sound which is part of normal English (or any other language that I know of). By your
rules, this means that the sentence written by you above is a LIE and you are a LIAR.
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Surely if he provides a link on his web site he must take full responsibility

for what the linked page says.
He should know what it says,, yes. Unlike you.
<snip, Peter's resentments because he posts hyperlinks and has no idea what they say, and he
got caught>
This is priceless! I am expected to know what is said on pages at Amazon.com where people can add
book reviews after I read the page, but Tim Bolen is allowed to have "nothing to do with the link
itself" when the link points to something on his own site. 2004 is off to a good start.
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Wonder why none of the debunkers posted it??
I posted it on my web site. It was too funny
In your world it is funny to ruin the life of a sincere hard working person, amking medical
discoveries. It is funny to expose your role in the scheme of things.
You said that none of the debunkers posted it. (OK, they were not your actual words, you really said
"Wonder why none of the debunkers posted it??"😉. One of the debunkers had actually posted it on a
web site. You are a LIAR, LIAR, LIAR.
Jennie Burke would not know a medical discovery if it jumped up and bit her on the [censored].
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You website also has lies.
Please tell me about some of those lies. You might like to try doing this without referring to Ben
Kolb. Feel free to tell me that I have a control problem for suggesting that you find something new
to talk about.
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<snip note to Tim, while sounding just like him>
Tim has never told me how he has his coffee.
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But that is all right, because it is an attack on me, so it must be
>believed.
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If the shoe fits, and all of that.
Also do not try to make the article null and void, by picking out a certain part. That's another
debunker trick.
I do not understand what you mean here. Your complete snipping of what I said must make it hard for
others to understand as well.
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You are really right there in the middle of EVIL organized medicine, wiith

it's
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power hungry tactics and politics. Of course we all know that you never do any attacking.
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I have never denied attacking anybody

When attacking is called for,
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I'm your man.
So attacking is A OK as long as you do it!!
Attacking is OK whoever does it, if it is justified. For some reason you seem to think that my zero-
tolerance policy on personal attacks on me somehow means that I don't like attacking.
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You know the old saying, what goes around, comes around.
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I do know it. Mr O'Neill
OOOOps, diversion.
Pardon. You quoted a cliche at me and I mentioned that someone else often used that cliche. Please
look up the meaning of the word "diversion" in the dictionary, otherwise people might think that you
are LYING.
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Try Peter Bowditch.
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>Everyone is free to read it and see how organized medicine works, and the role
>>Peter plays in this evil.
<Snip attack on the exposer>

<snip snip and snip>
The bit Jan snipped was about how the "exposer" believes in a huge world-wide conspiracy which
includes the Pope, Queen Elizabeth, business people like Bill Gates and Rupert Murdoch, the Jews,
the Masons, the Catholics, the Bush family, the people who are really lizards, the people who
made the movie of the faked moon landing, the International Monetary Fund, the United Nations,
... . And me.
If I could make this stuff up, I would be as rich as Michael Crichton. (He's an author, Jan.)
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No, I KNOW organized medicine is fighting him tooth and nail, because he is much more successful
than they are. They have used up thie bag of dirty

tricks,
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and they failed. One thing they accomplished is to show just how EVIL they

are.
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If he is so successful, why hasn't he cured anyone?
Prove he hasn't.
Sploooooorffffff!!
Jan snipped the bit about how the quack claims to have treated 8,000 people and Jan called me a liar
for saying that he had claimed to cure some of them. If I am a liar for saying that, then he can't
have cured any of them. Jan proved it WITH HER OWN WORDS.
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Your power games and those of EOM are the only thing standing between his possible curing.
8,000 patients, and I am stopping him from winning the Nobel Prize. If I had any coffee left in my
mouth after "Prove he hasn't" it would have ended up on the screen as well.
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Looks like he has a lawyer who has the number of EOM, thier tactics, theiir attacking.
Looks like he has a lawyer who could convince a judge that black was white, but that's Evil
Organised Blackletterlaw for you.
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Don't that just frost ya??
It's currently about 85 degrees F where I am (although it feels hotter because it is quite humid).
Nothing frosty about that.
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(Jan) said:
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Subject: Re: Quackpotwatch - Jenny Burke Story From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden] Date:
12/31/2003 4:23 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>
(Jan) said:
>Subject: Re: Quackpotwatch - Jenny Burke Story From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
>Date: 12/30/2003 11:00 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
><[email hidden]>
>
>[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: Re: Quackpotwatch - Jenny Burke Story From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
>>>Date: 12/29/2003 10:18 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
>>><[email hidden]>
>>>
>>>[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
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>>>>>From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden] Date: 12/29/2003 7:35 AM Central Standard Time
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>>>>>
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>>>>>[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
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>>>>The story is here.
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>>>I should point out to Jan that Eve Hillary has no posting record on MHA and therefore cannot
>>>be trusted
>>
>>She didn't post here, you are confused.
>
>But I thought that only people with a posting history were credible?
I repeat:
>She didn't post here, you are confused.
>To make matters worse, that link
>>>is from a page on Tim Bolen's site, and Jan has often said how she doesn't like his tactics.
>>>
>>The link was merely provided by Tim, he had nothing to do with the link
>itself.
>But, but, but
Careful now, you are stuttering, maybe that goes along with talking out of

both
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sides of the mouth??
It is not possible to make the voiced plosive phoneme "b" by opening both sides of your mouth, at
least not as a sound which is part of normal English (or any other language that I know of). By
your rules, this means that the sentence written by you above is a LIE and you are a LIAR.
Ummm, do you see that little?
That little what?
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You goofed again.
Pardon. It was you who suggested that I was stuttering.
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Surely if he provides a link on his web site he must take full responsibility
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for what the linked page says.
He should know what it says,, yes. Unlike you.
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This is priceless!
Send all you have!!!
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I am expected to know what is said on pages at Amazon.com where people can

add book reviews after I read the page,
Ah Ah now, the story is changing again.
No the story has never changed. I posted a link to Amazon.com. Those links are generated by a
database which takes the ISBN of the book and inserts it into the standard Amazon URL for my
affiliate code. You, for some bizarre reason, expect me to know what is in pages at Amazon.com that
I might never have seen with my own eyes. I start with the book and let Amazon make the pages. I do
not make the pages.
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It's as simple as this. If you type a hyperlink on YOUR website, you best know what it says, if it
changes, you best know that also.
I did not type a hyperlink on my web site. I type a book's ISBN into an Access data base and some
code comes out which connects to Amazon.com. In fact, if I remember rightly, in this particular
instance people who had JavaScript enabled (unlike users of AOL's down-dumber) did not even get
taken to the page at Amazon with the book review on it. They saw a popup box with an invitation to
add the book to their shopping cart. I cannot be held responsible for what people with inadequate
browsers see.
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but Tim Bolen is allowed to have "nothing to do with the link itself"
He posted the hyperlink, he had nothing to do with what it said.
He posted a hyperlink to a PAGE ON HIS OWN WEB SITE. If he has nothing to do with that, how can you
suggest that anyone can have anything to with a page on Amazon's site except Amazon. Fight with them
if you don't like the reviews, or perhaps write your own review of the book in question.
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when the link points to something on his own site. 2004 is off to a good start.
Hopefully you can do better in 2004.
A good start would be to take down the lies on your webstie.
And those lies would be ... ? Not Ben again, how about some new ones this time.
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Next, don't talk out of both sides of you mouth.
I guess you thought you could get by with it, you should know better.
Pardon. You are becoming incoherent. More incoherent, I should say.
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>>Wonder why none of the debunkers posted it??
>
>I posted it on my web site. It was too funny
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In your world it is funny to ruin the life of a sincere hard working person, amking medical
discoveries. It is funny to expose your role in the scheme of things.

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You said that none of the debunkers posted it. (OK, they were not your actual words, you really
said "Wonder why none of the debunkers posted it??"😉
Hey, hey, you are doing better already!!!
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One of the debunkers had actually posted it on a web site. You are a LIAR, LIAR, LIAR.
ROTFLOL!!!
I am glad that you think that your lying is funny. Nobody else does.
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If you are speaking of yourself, I stay away from there, what with all the lies there.
I saw the link posted *here*.
Thanks again, Carole.
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Jennie Burke would not know a medical discovery if it jumped up and bit her on the [censored].
Now, we are seeing the true organized medicine member behavior.
I detest to see anyone who has dedicated their life and worked hard with accomplishments to prove
it, to be belittled.
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You website also has lies.
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Please tell me about some of those lies.
Say what, Mark Thorson??
This thread is not about Mark, but I notice how nicely you weaseled away from the question.
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You might like to try doing this without referring to Ben Kolb. Feel free to tell me that I have a
control problem for suggesting that you find something new to talk about.

You have a control problem and you have three lies on your website under Ben Kolb.
Thank you for following my suggestion that you mention control. Do you ever read what you reply to?
I notice that you mentioned Ben Kolb. I want to hear about some other lies, because we have all
heard about those ones too many times. Surely in a web site with about a thousand pages you can find
more than one with "lies" on it.
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Continue to lie by leaving them up, expect to hear from me.
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<snip note to Tim, while sounding just like him>
Tim has never told me how he has his coffee.
Nevertheless you sounded just like him.
.>>>But that is all right, because it is an attack on me, so it must be
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>>>believed.
>>If the shoe fits, and all of that.
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Also do not try to make the article null and void, by picking out a certain
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part. That's another debunker trick.
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I do not understand what you mean here
I think that is a lie.
I do not understand what you mean by "do not try to make the article null and void, by picking out a
certain part. That's another debunker trick". I have no idea what you are talking about. I had said
that big gumboots fit everyone. How can my request for clarification of your reply be a lie? Oh, I
forgot, everything is a lie. Unless it is posted by Tim Bolen.
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Your complete snipping of what I said must make it hard for others to understand as well.

What I snipped wasn't worth repeating.
But it was worth commenting on. Nice piece of honesty there. (That was sarcasm, in case you couldn't
identify it.)
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You are really right there in the middle of EVIL organized medicine, wiith
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>it's
>>power hungry tactics and politics. Of course we all know that you never do any attacking.
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I have never denied attacking anybody When attacking is called for,
>I'm your man.
So attacking is A OK as long as you do it!!
Attacking is OK whoever does it, if it is justified.
Must be a Bright golden rule.
No, the Dulls do it too.
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For some reason you seem to think that my zero-tolerance policy on personal attacks on me somehow
means that I don't like attacking.
Sounds like a double standard.
You do the attacking, but have zero-tolerance if someone attacks you.
Hmmm, another Bright rule?
If I attack anyone, they have the right of reply. That is despite what Eve Hillary said, where she
said that this was not so. She selectively quoted me to demonstrate that, of course, which is
probably why you like her work. If anyone doesn't like what I have to say about them, they are free
to attack me in Usenet, in mailing lists or even on their own web sites. John Scudamore has done it.
Jack Shulman has done it. William O'Neill has done it. Fintane Dunne has done it. Anyone else can do
it if they like. Have I ever stopped you doing it?
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>You know the old saying, what goes around, comes around.
>I do know it. Mr O'Neill
OOOOps, diversion.
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Pardon. You quoted a cliche at me and I mentioned that someone else often used that cliche.
Best to concentrate on yourself.
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Please look up the meaning of the word "diversion" in the dictionary, otherwise people might think
that you are LYING.
Well, no, they will see you have the gift of gab, you seem to think if you keep talking you'll
somehow change things.
The old saying, what goes around comes around applies to YOU. Mr. O'Neill is not the subject. That
is known as diversion.
Get it?
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Try Peter Bowditch.

Everyone is free to read it and see how organized medicine works, and the role Peter plays in
this evil.
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nip attack on the exposer>
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>
<snip snip and snip>
<snip long list of diversion>
Again Jan snipped comments about evidence of the exposer's mental state. Does Jan think that Queen
Elizabeth is a lizard? Eve Hillary believes that I am part of the Illuminati. That fact alone is
enough to let sane people know how credible she is.
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If I could make this stuff up, I would be as rich as Michael Crichton. (He's an author, Jan.)
YOU MAKE THINGS UP OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!
You are famous for it.
Examples please.
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>No, I KNOW organized medicine is fighting him tooth and nail, because he is
>>much more successful than they are. They have used up thie bag of dirty
>tricks,
>>and they failed. One thing they accomplished is to show just how EVIL they

are.
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If he is so successful, why hasn't he cured anyone?
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Prove he hasn't.
Sploooooorffffff!!

BAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Jan snipped the bit about how the quack claims to have treated 8,000 people and Jan called me a
liar for saying that he had claimed to cure some of them.
Yep!! You made it up!!
As a pointed out, the word *cure* does not appear on his websites.
So what has he been doing with all those patients?
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So WHY did you make that up, Peter??
I made it up to annoy you, because I know how you have absolutely no ability to extract anything
other than the literal meanings of words from a discourse. To someone who speaks English, exact
words do not need to be used to convey meaning. Analogy, simile, metaphor and other techniques can
be used. I believe Shakespeare once described someone as "a lion in battle". Was Shakespeare lying.
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If I am a liar for saying that, then he can't have cured any of them. Jan proved it WITH HER
OWN WORDS.
Well, no that is NOT what you said. Forget already??
After I posted his works, I asked:
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Which part of that makes him a quack (in your opinion, of course)?????
You replied:
None of that. What makes him a quack is his claim to be the only person who knows how to cure
cancer and AIDS.
He didin't make that claim, so indeed you lied.
He says that all cancers are caused by not having enough antineoplastons. He says that
antineoplastons are the only way to fix/cure/treat cancer. He is the only person who uses
antineoplastons in the treatment of cancer.
Explain to me in simple words why all of this does not mean he claims "to be the only person who
knows how to cure cancer and AIDS".
Otherwise, STFU.
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Your power games and those of EOM are the only thing standing between his possible curing.
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8,000 patients, and I am stopping him from winning the Nobel Prize.
I said nothing about a Nobel Prize. I said EOM is trying to stop him, we know that is true, look at
the dirty tactics from EOM in harassing him and taking him to court. Another witch hunt.
I said something about a Nobel Prize. I will pay his fare to collect his prize. If he has a 6,500%
better success rate than conventional cancer treatments then a Nobel Prize is his any time he asks
for it. He hasn't asked for it. Why is that?
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If I had any coffee left in my mouth after "Prove he hasn't" it would have ended up on the screen
as well.
Learn self control. You might want to give up coffee as well.
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Looks like he has a lawyer who has the number of EOM, thier tactics, theiir attacking.
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Looks like he has a lawyer who could convince a judge that black was white, but that's Evil
Organised Blackletterlaw for you.
Sounds like you are still in there pitching to find something that will stop him. Why is
that, Peter?
It's been going on since medicine organized.
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Don't that just frost ya??
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t's currently about 85 degrees F where I am (although it feels hotter because it is quite humid).
Nothing frosty about that.
Un huh.
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Peter Bowditch
(the gift of gab mouth)
Jan
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Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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(David Wright) said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Carole
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From Quackpotwatch newsletter of December 19, The Jenny Burke Story makes for interesting
reading.
There is a link at the end of this link (pdf file)
quackpotwatch.orgaustralian health freedom moveme.htm
Carole
A Tim Bolen piece, although Carole didn't attribute it. Of course, just by reading it, you could
tell. The rank odor emanating from the text was the tipoff.
And a damn fine piece of writing it was too. As I was heavily featured in it, I thought a reply
was necessary. Here it is (from The Millenium Project).
If you seriously believe what you talk about, you are one brain washed dude. I can't see how you can
overlook all the inconsistencies, all the needless deaths, all the coverups of cures. You are either
insane or brainwashed.
Ever heard of mind control and the illuminati?
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(Carole) said:
Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
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(David Wright) said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Carole <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>From Quackpotwatch newsletter of December 19, The Jenny Burke Story makes for interesting
>reading.
>
>There is a link at the end of this link (pdf file)
>quackpotwatch.orgaustralian health freedom moveme.htm
>
>Carole
A Tim Bolen piece, although Carole didn't attribute it. Of course, just by reading it, you could
tell. The rank odor emanating from the text was the tipoff.
And a damn fine piece of writing it was too. As I was heavily featured in it, I thought a reply
was necessary. Here it is (from The Millenium Project).
If you seriously believe what you talk about, you are one brain washed dude. I can't see how you
can overlook all the inconsistencies, all the needless deaths, all the coverups of cures. You are
either insane or brainwashed.
Ever heard of mind control and the illuminati?
Heard of the Illuminati? Heard of it? Do you remember what Eve Hillary said, in the piece you
described as "interesting reading?
'Bowditch also has a link to a restricted access discussion group that is only open to "approved"
members. The discussion group, QuackbustersOfTheIlluminati, states its purpose as being: "This is a
meeting place for the anti-alternative-medicine committee of the Illuminati, where we can meet and
consider our attack on health freedom within the broader agenda of world domination." It is not
known what relationship Bowditch has with this group, why it is secretive or why it was formed.'
Just think about what my "relationship" with this committee could be. And remember the words of
this song:
Who controls the British pound? Who keeps the metric system down? We do! We do!
Who leaves Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? We do! We do!
Who holds back the electric car? Who makes Steve Gutenberg a star? We do! We do!
Who robs cavefish of their sight? Who rigs every Oscar night? We do! We do!
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"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...
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(David Wright) said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Carole
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>From Quackpotwatch newsletter of December 19, The Jenny Burke Story makes for interesting
>reading.
>
>There is a link at the end of this link (pdf file)
quackpotwatch.orgaustralian health freedom movem

e.htm
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>Carole
A Tim Bolen piece, although Carole didn't attribute it. Of course, just by reading it, you
could tell. The rank odor emanating from the text was the tipoff.
And a damn fine piece of writing it was too. As I was heavily featured in it, I thought a reply
was necessary. Here it is (from The Millenium Project).
If you seriously believe what you talk about, you are one brain washed dude. I can't see how you
can overlook all the inconsistencies, all the needless deaths, all the coverups of cures. You are
either insane or brainwashed.
Ever heard of mind control and the illuminati?
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