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  1. Q factor is the distance from pedal to pedal.

    cranks have an effect on that, as do axle/hubs.

    so straight cranks have no* OFFSET*

    cranks that are angled outward have *OFFSET*

    how does that sound? i just want to clear things up a bit.

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  2. 😄 It's starting to makes sense now. 😄

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  3. Yeah that's pretty good, I can see this thread being linked to a lot.

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  4. This means my kh cranks have q-factor right?:p.... This was needed.

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  5. Yes the KH has q-Factor, every unicycle does. Unless you ride a
    impossible wheel, you will have q-factor.

    The moment cranks are also angled, or have an offset as skrobo says,
    giving it more q-factor.

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  6. skrobo said:

    Q factor is the distance from pedal to pedal.

    Mmmm, I always thought Q-factor is the difference between the
    pedal*-to-*pedal distance and the
    where-crank-meets-axle*-to-*where-crank-meets-axle distance?

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  7. http://www.recumbents.com/WISIL/qfactor/qfactor.htm

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  8. Cheers.

    Weird tho, 'factor' always made me think of a ratio or a percentage of
    sorts.

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  9. So, higher Q-factor, beter controle?
    Right?

    Peter M

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  10. Probailer2 said:

    So, higher Q-factor, beter controle?
    Right?

    Peter M

    Not exactly.

    Larger Q-Factor means more wheel wobble...

    Look down at your wheel when you ride, I guarantee it turns in the
    opposite direction of the pedal you are pushing down on.

    The more Q-Factor, the more this will likely happen.

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  11. Probailer2 said:

    So, higher Q-factor, beter controle?
    Right?

    Peter M

    More q-factor better control at low speeds but less q-factor is better
    at high speeds.

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  12. Jim said:

    More q-factor better control at low speeds but less q-factor is better
    at high speeds.

    jim

    Is that less q-factor is better for high speeds or better at high
    speeds?

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  13. Less q-factor is better FOR high speeds as it means less speed-wobble
    (and slightly less wind resistance).

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  14. I bought a 2007 24XC after the 2008s came out because I liked the higher
    q-factor of the older hubs and cranks. As a matter of fact, I got the
    last one for sale at UDC which was a demonstrator.

    If I ride a unicycle with little q-factor...I find my legs are most
    comfortable for pedaling when my feet are about halfway off the pedals.
    I like the wider pedals and can control the wheel just fine that way.

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  15. Jerrick said:

    http://www.recumbents.com/WISIL/qfactor/qfactor.htm

    I would not approach that definition as, uh, definitive. For Sheldon
    Brown fans, which includes me, start by having a look at his two
    different meanings of Q-factor:
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_q.html#qfactor
    For what we're talking about, he uses the term "tread":
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_tp-z.html#tread

    Sheldon's description of tread seems like a great explanation of what
    we're talking about when we reference Q-factor. Plus the word "tread"
    is much more descriptive. We should probably start using that when we
    talk about the overall width of unicycle "drive trains." Then we can
    use either "offset" or "Q-factor" when talking about the outward
    angling of cranks. To me, offset makes a lot more sense, if only in
    terms of no longer having to explain it every few weeks on this web
    site. 🙂

    So, to sum up what Sheldon Brown's site says:

    Tread is the lateral distance between the pedal holes on the unicycle.
    This is represented as the closest together your feet can be while
    riding. In this definition, crank offset is part of the overall
    measurement. Think of "tread" as your "stance" if your wheel
    disappeared and you were suddenly standing on the ground with your feet
    still on the pedals.

    As your tread gets wider, your pedaling force is being applied further
    and further from your center of mass. The reactive force of your
    pedaling will push your body a little bit in the opposite direction.
    This is *part of* where wheel wobble comes from on unicycles.

    All other things being equal, a wider tread makes for more wobble in
    your riding.

    A wider tread also puts your pedals closer to the ground when turning.

    There is also the medical side of all this. Some people don't mind
    pedaling at a wider stance, while others may have orthopedic problems.
    Just like seats, what works for you may not be the best for someone
    else and vice-versa.

    In general, a narrow tread is good for speed. When you're pumping fast,
    anything to make the process more efficient will have noticeable
    benefits. Less tread lowers the mechanical effort you're putting out.
    But narrow has its limits. Narrow wheels are weaker than wide ones, so
    as with all things, you must strike a balance that works for the type
    of riding you're doing. A road racing unicycle can have a very narrow
    wheel, while a MUni or Trials unicycle needs a lot more wheel strength
    to be viable.

    A wide tread is good for power and control. George Peck, the
    "grandfather" of rough terrain unicycling, prefers the very wide tread
    of his ultimate wheels made from MTB wheels with cranks, over the more
    traditional wooden kind that have almost no tread at all. He says it
    gives him more control. Also this wide tread is much less noticeable at
    low speeds.

    So, whaddaya say we stop with the confusing "Q-factor" and start
    calling it "Tread" like Sheldon Brown does?

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  16. Quoted message said:

    ("Tread" in this sense is sometimes referred to as "Q-factor."😉

    So lets call it Q-Factor like Sheldon Brown does.

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  17. well, i hate doing this, but

    +1

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  18. Quoth Jerrick:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ("Tread" in this sense is sometimes referred to as "Q-factor."😉

    So lets call it Q-Factor likeSheldon Browndoes.

    But I don't! I don't like to use that term because it has two
    different meanings!

    See: http://sheldonbrown.com/gloss_q.html#qfactor

    Sheldon "Tread" Brown

  19. OK, so I wasn't entirely happing bubbles back there.

    Phew.

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  20. Sheldon Brown said:

    Quoth Jerrick:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ("Tread" in this sense is sometimes referred to as "Q-factor."😉

    So lets call it Q-Factor likeSheldon Browndoes.

    But I don't! I don't like to use that term because it has two
    different meanings!

    See: http://sheldonbrown.com/gloss_q.html#qfactor

    Sheldon "Tread" Brown

    That post was more tongue-in-cheek than serious.

    I hear q-factor being used way more than tread though. To be honest,
    when John posted that link, that is the first time to see the other
    definition of q-factor and the definitions of tread.

    Around where I live, at the LBS and with local riders, everyone says
    q-factor, so it just seems more common to say q-factor instead of
    tread. Maybe just where I live.

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