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  1. OK, I got sick of all the speculation here so I did a little search
    and dug up the info on cathione (Synonyms: (+)-Norpseudoephedrine
    (NPSE), (alphaS)-alpha-((1S)-1-aminoethyl)-benzenemethanol). Below is
    some useful info and links to the sites. My conclusion is that Phil
    was not taking sudaphed, nor was he really taking any american product
    because apparently cathione carries some not so good side effects.
    Having said that, I doubt its performance enhancing for endurance
    cycling; having review a few papers on both ephedrine and caffeine I
    can say that a track guy might, but not an andurance cyclist.

    Chris Harnish, M.S.

    Products containing: norpseudoephedrine
    • DIETENE DIFFUCAPS®
    • EETLESS Capsules
    • NOBESE NO.1 DIFFUCAPS®
    • THINZ CAPSULES

    (β-hydroxyamphetamine Amphetamine (α-methylphenethylamine)
    is a synthetic drug originally developed (and still used) as a diet
    suppressant. Today it is officially admitted for treatment of
    attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and narcolepsy.
    Amphetamine and its derivatives (amphetamines) are part of a broader
    class of compounds called phenethylamines.

    General Information
    Cathinone (β-ketoamphetamine) is a monoamine alkaloid found in
    the shrub Catha edulis (Khat). Closely related to ephedrine, cathine
    and other phenethylamines, it is probably the main contributor to the
    stimulant effect of Catha edulis. Cathinone differs from many other
    amphetamines in that its structure is a ketone. Other amphetamines to
    share this structure include the antidepressant bupropion and the
    stimulant methcathinone. appears to show stronger activity. Cathine is
    one of the optical isomers of phenylpropanolamine , an appetite
    suppressant Anorectics, anorexigenics or appetite suppressants, are
    substances which reduce the desire to eat. Used on a short term basis
    clinically to treat obesity, some appetite suppressants are also
    available over the counter. Drugs of this class are frequently
    stimulants of the phenethylamine family, related to amphetamine
    (speed). Indeed, amphetamine itself was sold commercially as an
    appetite suppressant until it was outlawed in most parts of the world
    in the late 1950s due to increasing exploitation of its stimulant
    properties ("abuse"😉. Many amphetamines produce side effects including
    addiction, tachycardia and hypertension, making prolonged unsupervised
    use dangerous.

    http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Norpseudoephedrine

    Cathinone, a potent psychostimulant isolated from young shoots of
    Catha edulis was given to four human volunteers. Examination of urine
    collected from the volunteers at predetermined intervals showed the
    presence of unchanged cathinone, d-norpseudoephedrine, and two
    unidentified basic substances. The observed biotransformation of
    cathinone to the less potent psychostimulant, d-norpseudoephedrine
    involves reduction of a ketone group to alcohol, a common metabolic
    pathway in humans.

    http://amphetamines.com/misc/performance.html

    Herbs have been used throughout history to enhance physical
    performance, but scientific scrutiny with controlled clinical trials
    has only recently been used to study such effects. The following herbs
    are currently used to enhance physical performance regardless of
    scientific evidence of effect: Chinese, Korean, and American ginsengs;
    Siberian ginseng, mahuang or Chinese ephedra; ashwagandha; rhodiola;
    yohimbe; CORDYCEPS: fungus, shilajit or mummio; smilax; wild oats;
    Muira puama; suma (ecdysterone); Tribulus terrestris; saw palmetto
    berries; beta-sitosterol and other related sterols; and wild yams
    (diosgenin). Controlled studies of Asian ginsengs found improvements
    in exercise performance when most of the following conditions were
    true: use of standardized root extracts, study duration (>8 wk, daily
    dose >1 g dried root or equivalent, large number of subjects, and
    older subjects. Improvements in muscular strength, maximal oxygen
    uptake, work capacity, fuel homeostasis, serum lactate, heart rate,
    visual and auditory reaction times, alertness, and psychomotor skills
    have also been repeatedly documented. Siberian ginseng has shown mixed
    results. Mahuang, ephedrine, and related alkaloids have not benefited
    physical performance except when combined with caffeine. Other herbs
    remain virtually untested. Future research on ergogenic effects of
    herbs should consider identity and amount of substance or presumed
    active ingredients administered, dose response, duration of test
    period, proper experimental controls, measurement of psychological and
    physiologic parameters (including antioxidant actions), and
    measurements of performance pertinent to intended uses.
    The chemical compound ephedrine (EPH) is an alkaloid derived from a
    shrub in the family Ephedraceae, commonly known as ephedra. It is
    closely related to methamphetamine and other phenethylamines.
    It is a stimulant that acts on the central nervous system, and is
    widely used as a nasal decongestant and a treatment for asthma.

    http://amphetamines.com/misc/performance.html

  2. I thought this was about Liggett retiring. WTF is this [censored]?

    -Sonarrat.

  3. <Sonarrat> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I thought this was about Liggett retiring. WTF is this [censored]?

    -Sonarrat.

    I thought that it was about Phil discussing his sexual preference, quickly
    followed up by the announcement that he married George, in a mock ceremony,
    last week in Las Vegas.

  4. <Sonarrat> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I thought this was about Liggett retiring. WTF is this [censored]?

    Ditto on the Liggett.

    Quoted message said:


    -Sonarrat.

  5. k.j.papai said:

    <Sonarrat> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I thought this was about Liggett retiring. WTF is this [censored]?

    Ditto on the Liggett.

    Quoted message said:


    -Sonarrat.


    I'm confused too. Norpseudoephedrine is a natural metabolite of pseudoephedrine, the active ingredient in Sudafed. Without knowing anything about the amounts found, the Sudafed story at least is plausible from a chemical point of view.

  6. I'm sorry, I thought a little education would be helpful because
    everyone was trying to figure what was going on with Phil Zajicek. My
    mistake...

    However, if you read the info you would know that Norpseudoephedrine
    (NP), just like norepinephrine is not a metabolite of epinephrine
    (adrenaline). The Sudaphed story sounds fishy because NP isn't in
    Sudaphed.
    CH

    Quoted message said:

    I'm confused too. Norpseudoephedrine is a natural metabolite of
    pseudoephedrine, the active ingredient in Sudafed. Without knowing
    anything about the amounts found, the Sudafed story at least is
    plausible from a chemical point of view.

  7. chris said:

    I'm sorry, I thought a little education would be helpful because
    everyone was trying to figure what was going on with Phil Zajicek. My
    mistake...

    However, if you read the info you would know that Norpseudoephedrine
    (NP), just like norepinephrine is not a metabolite of epinephrine
    (adrenaline). The Sudaphed story sounds fishy because NP isn't in
    Sudaphed.
    CH

    from a previous responce:

    Quoted message said:

    Norpseudoephedrine is a natural metabolite of
    pseudoephedrine

    keyword metabolite. Meaning it's the product from the breakdown of
    pseudoephedrine. A by product as it were.

  8. chris said:
    Quoted message said:

    However, if you read the info you would know that Norpseudoephedrine
    (NP), just like norepinephrine is not a metabolite of epinephrine
    (adrenaline).

    sudafed contains *pseudoephedrine*.
    (http://www.pfizer.com/do/counter/allergy/mn_sudafed_cold_allergy.html )

    i posted a link earlier that says norpseudoephedrine is a metabolite of
    pseudoephedrine. the sudafed story can still be fishy inspite of that, though.

    heather

  9. So there is confusion here. From what I know and have read its
    chemically distinct, rather than a "leftover" following metabolism.

    CH
    h squared <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    chris said:
    Quoted message said:

    However, if you read the info you would know that Norpseudoephedrine
    (NP), just like norepinephrine is not a metabolite of epinephrine
    (adrenaline).

    sudafed contains *pseudoephedrine*.
    (http://www.pfizer.com/do/counter/allergy/mn_sudafed_cold_allergy.html )

    i posted a link earlier that says norpseudoephedrine is a metabolite of
    pseudoephedrine. the sudafed story can still be fishy inspite of that, though.

    heather

  10. chris said:


    So there is confusion here. From what I know and have read its
    chemically distinct, rather than a "leftover" following metabolism.

    well i could be wrong, i don't know anything about that stuff, just what
    i read online.
    heather

  11. chris said:

    So there is confusion here. From what I know and have read its
    chemically distinct, rather than a "leftover" following metabolism.

    CH
    h squared <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    chris said:

    However, if you read the info you would know that Norpseudoephedrine
    (NP), just like norepinephrine is not a metabolite of epinephrine
    (adrenaline).

    sudafed contains *pseudoephedrine*.
    (http://www.pfizer.com/do/counter/allergy/mn_sudafed_cold_allergy.html )

    i posted a link earlier that says norpseudoephedrine is a metabolite of
    pseudoephedrine. the sudafed story can still be fishy inspite of that, though.

    heather


    As I understand it, (and I will defer to those more knowing than I..)
    they current tests are based on the presence of either the product in
    question, or it's metabolic leftovers since many products are quickly
    broken down to be "usefull" to the body. Hence the metabolites
    maybe/are better indicators of what a person is on...

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