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  1. Now they want you to risk your child's future and put him or her on a
    medication for life when there is no evidence that medication will be
    effective for prevention of heart disease. What about developing
    brains? What about the fact that statins have been proven to cause
    higher rates of myositis and myopathy in active people?

    One in 500 of French Canadian descent and one in 67 Aschkenazy Jews to
    name just two groups have familial hypercholesterolemia. So we should
    put all those children on an unproven class of drugs...to what end?

    Epidemiologist and Cochrane Collaboration member James Wright has said
    there is no evidence for use in primary prevention.

    We can prove statins lower cholesterol but we have not proven they
    affect all cause mortality. We don't know what will happen to children
    and youth when they have taken these drugs for 15-20 years. They are
    safe the story says. For how long? Effective the story says. To do
    what?

    Athletes deny their pain to continue their sport. Young sports
    enthusiasts will deny their pain perhaps until it's too late to stop
    the decline into rhabdomyolysis. Will we be creating a generation of
    athlerosclerotic-free wheel chair bound myopaths?

    A cholesterol level of 240 is not necessarily a pathology since
    approximately half of those who have heart attacks have so-called
    normal cholesterol levels. This is medicating on spec. Gambling with
    children's lives.

    Here is the last sentence of this rearranged press release posing as
    news. How despicable that physicians play this deadly game with our
    lives and now the lives of our children.

    "Dr. Gotto is a consultant for AstraZeneca, Bristol-Myers Squibb Co.,
    Kowa, Merck & Co. Inc., Merck-Schering Plough, Novartis, Pfizer Inc.,
    and Reliant Pharmaceuticals."

    Statins Safe, Effective in Children With Familial Hypercholesterolemia
    CME
    News Author: Laurie Barclay, MD
    CME Author: Charles Vega, MD, FAAFP

    Release Date: July 20, 2004; Valid for credit through July 20, 2005

    July 20, 2004 — Statins are safe and effective for children with
    familial hypercholesterolemia, according to the results of a
    double-blind, randomized trial published in the July 21 issue of JAMA.
    This disorder is characterized by markedly elevated levels of
    low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-c) beginning at birth.

    "Children with familial hypercholesterolemia have endothelial
    dysfunction and increased carotid intima-media thickness (IMT), which
    herald the premature atherosclerotic disease they develop later in
    life," write Albert Wiegman, MD, PhD, from the University of Amsterdam
    in the Netherlands, and colleagues. "Although intervention therapy in
    the causal pathway of this disorder has been available for more than a
    decade, the long-term efficacy and safety of cholesterol-lowering
    medication have not been evaluated in children."

    Between December 1997 and October 1999, 214 children with familial
    hypercholesterolemia, aged 8 to 18 years, were randomized to receive
    pravastatin, 20 to 40 mg/day, or placebo for two years. Before
    receiving study medication, all children began a fat-restricted diet
    and were encouraged to participate in regular physical activity.

    In the pravastatin group, mean carotid IMT showed a trend toward
    regression compared with baseline (-0.010 ± 0.048 mm; P = .049). In
    the placebo group, there was a trend toward progression (+0.005 ±
    0.044 mm; P = .28). The mean change in IMT between the two groups was
    significant (0.014 ± 0.046 mm; P = .02).

    Mean change in LDL-c levels was a 24.1% reduction in the pravastatin
    group, and a 0.3% increase in the placebo group (P < .001). Growth,
    maturation, hormonal levels, and muscle and liver enzymes were similar
    in both groups.

    Study limitations were possible confounding by healthy lifestyle and
    diet, use of a surrogate marker of future vascular disease rather than
    clinical endpoints, and lack of generalizability to children with
    other causes of increased atherosclerotic risk.

    "We were able to show that statin treatment improved the lipoprotein
    profile toward more physiological levels and we observed regression of
    carotid IMT. This shows that the increased arterial wall thickness
    progression found in children with familial hypercholesterolemia is
    reversible," the authors write. "Although this trial in children with
    familial hypercholesterolemia has, to our knowledge, the most
    extensive follow-up to date, data on even longer-term safety and
    efficacy of statin therapy in children are needed."

    The Zorg Onderzoek Nederland and Bristol-Myers Squibb Inc. supported
    this study.

    In an accompanying editorial, Antonio M. Gotto, Jr., MD, DPhil, from
    Weill Medical College of Cornell University in New York, NY, suggests
    that most children with familial hypercholesterolemia may need drug
    therapy. However, Dr. Gotto recognizes that potential risks of therapy
    must be considered in young patients.

    "In the case of familial hypercholesterolemia, the promise of reducing
    future cardiovascular morbidity and mortality, as well as future
    demands on acute care and more expensive preventive approaches, would
    make aggressive treatment of high-risk young patients a worthwhile
    long-term initiative," Dr. Gotto writes. "Appropriate targeting of
    lifestyle and drug therapies will optimize primary prevention in this
    group at demonstrated risk for early disease."

    Dr. Gotto is a consultant for AstraZeneca, Bristol-Myers Squibb Co.,
    Kowa, Merck & Co. Inc., Merck-Schering Plough, Novartis, Pfizer Inc.,
    and Reliant Pharmaceuticals.

    JAMA. 2004;292:331-337, 377-378

  2. "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now they want you to risk your child's future and put him or her on a
    medication for life when there is no evidence that medication will be
    effective for prevention of heart disease.

    You must not work for a drug company.

  3. This could be a first step toward population control, since the sex
    hormones require cholesterol for manufacture and transport. We may
    just get a generation where only a few (those who didn't take statins)
    are able to reproduce.

    At a minimum, it will cause more problems than it solves.

    GT

    "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now they want you to risk your child's future and put him or her on


    a

    Quoted message said:

    medication for life when there is no evidence that medication will


    be

    Quoted message said:

    effective for prevention of heart disease. What about developing
    brains? What about the fact that statins have been proven to cause
    higher rates of myositis and myopathy in active people?

    One in 500 of French Canadian descent and one in 67 Aschkenazy Jews


    to

    Quoted message said:

    name just two groups have familial hypercholesterolemia. So we


    should

    Quoted message said:

    put all those children on an unproven class of drugs...to what end?

    Epidemiologist and Cochrane Collaboration member James Wright has


    said

    Quoted message said:

    there is no evidence for use in primary prevention.

    We can prove statins lower cholesterol but we have not proven they
    affect all cause mortality. We don't know what will happen to


    children

    Quoted message said:

    and youth when they have taken these drugs for 15-20 years. They are
    safe the story says. For how long? Effective the story says. To do
    what?

    Athletes deny their pain to continue their sport. Young sports
    enthusiasts will deny their pain perhaps until it's too late to stop
    the decline into rhabdomyolysis. Will we be creating a generation of
    athlerosclerotic-free wheel chair bound myopaths?

    A cholesterol level of 240 is not necessarily a pathology since
    approximately half of those who have heart attacks have so-called
    normal cholesterol levels. This is medicating on spec. Gambling with
    children's lives.

    Here is the last sentence of this rearranged press release posing as
    news. How despicable that physicians play this deadly game with our
    lives and now the lives of our children.

    "Dr. Gotto is a consultant for AstraZeneca, Bristol-Myers Squibb


    Co.,

    Quoted message said:

    Kowa, Merck & Co. Inc., Merck-Schering Plough, Novartis, Pfizer


    Inc.,

    Quoted message said:

    and Reliant Pharmaceuticals."

    Statins Safe, Effective in Children With Familial


    Hypercholesterolemia

    Quoted message said:

    CME
    News Author: Laurie Barclay, MD
    CME Author: Charles Vega, MD, FAAFP

    Release Date: July 20, 2004; Valid for credit through July 20, 2005

    July 20, 2004 - Statins are safe and effective for children with
    familial hypercholesterolemia, according to the results of a
    double-blind, randomized trial published in the July 21 issue of


    JAMA.

    Quoted message said:

    This disorder is characterized by markedly elevated levels of
    low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-c) beginning at birth.

    "Children with familial hypercholesterolemia have endothelial
    dysfunction and increased carotid intima-media thickness (IMT),


    which

    Quoted message said:

    herald the premature atherosclerotic disease they develop later in
    life," write Albert Wiegman, MD, PhD, from the University of


    Amsterdam

    Quoted message said:

    in the Netherlands, and colleagues. "Although intervention therapy


    in

    Quoted message said:

    the causal pathway of this disorder has been available for more than


    a

    Quoted message said:

    decade, the long-term efficacy and safety of cholesterol-lowering
    medication have not been evaluated in children."

    Between December 1997 and October 1999, 214 children with familial
    hypercholesterolemia, aged 8 to 18 years, were randomized to receive
    pravastatin, 20 to 40 mg/day, or placebo for two years. Before
    receiving study medication, all children began a fat-restricted diet
    and were encouraged to participate in regular physical activity.

    In the pravastatin group, mean carotid IMT showed a trend toward
    regression compared with baseline (-0.010 ± 0.048 mm; P = .049). In
    the placebo group, there was a trend toward progression (+0.005 ±
    0.044 mm; P = .28). The mean change in IMT between the two groups


    was

    Quoted message said:

    significant (0.014 ± 0.046 mm; P = .02).

    Mean change in LDL-c levels was a 24.1% reduction in the pravastatin
    group, and a 0.3% increase in the placebo group (P < .001). Growth,
    maturation, hormonal levels, and muscle and liver enzymes were


    similar

    Quoted message said:

    in both groups.

    Study limitations were possible confounding by healthy lifestyle and
    diet, use of a surrogate marker of future vascular disease rather


    than

    Quoted message said:

    clinical endpoints, and lack of generalizability to children with
    other causes of increased atherosclerotic risk.

    "We were able to show that statin treatment improved the lipoprotein
    profile toward more physiological levels and we observed regression


    of

    Quoted message said:

    carotid IMT. This shows that the increased arterial wall thickness
    progression found in children with familial hypercholesterolemia is
    reversible," the authors write. "Although this trial in children


    with

    Quoted message said:

    familial hypercholesterolemia has, to our knowledge, the most
    extensive follow-up to date, data on even longer-term safety and
    efficacy of statin therapy in children are needed."

    The Zorg Onderzoek Nederland and Bristol-Myers Squibb Inc. supported
    this study.

    In an accompanying editorial, Antonio M. Gotto, Jr., MD, DPhil, from
    Weill Medical College of Cornell University in New York, NY,


    suggests

    Quoted message said:

    that most children with familial hypercholesterolemia may need drug
    therapy. However, Dr. Gotto recognizes that potential risks of


    therapy

    Quoted message said:

    must be considered in young patients.

    "In the case of familial hypercholesterolemia, the promise of


    reducing

    Quoted message said:

    future cardiovascular morbidity and mortality, as well as future
    demands on acute care and more expensive preventive approaches,


    would

    Quoted message said:

    make aggressive treatment of high-risk young patients a worthwhile
    long-term initiative," Dr. Gotto writes. "Appropriate targeting of
    lifestyle and drug therapies will optimize primary prevention in


    this

    Quoted message said:

    group at demonstrated risk for early disease."

    Dr. Gotto is a consultant for AstraZeneca, Bristol-Myers Squibb Co.,
    Kowa, Merck & Co. Inc., Merck-Schering Plough, Novartis, Pfizer


    Inc.,

    Quoted message said:

    and Reliant Pharmaceuticals.

    JAMA. 2004;292:331-337, 377-378

  4. "GT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This could be a first step toward population control, since the sex
    hormones require cholesterol for manufacture and transport. We may
    just get a generation where only a few (those who didn't take statins)
    are able to reproduce.

    At a minimum, it will cause more problems than it solves.

    GT

    Since no native-born group in the USA reproduces itself now, we are being
    repopulated by immigrants.

  5. A world full of little Zee's!

    The horror!

    L.

    GT said:

    This could be a first step toward population control, since the sex
    hormones require cholesterol for manufacture and transport. We may
    just get a generation where only a few (those who didn't take statins)
    are able to reproduce.

    At a minimum, it will cause more problems than it solves.

    GT

    "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now they want you to risk your child's future and put him or her on


    a

    Quoted message said:

    medication for life when there is no evidence that medication will


    be

    Quoted message said:

    effective for prevention of heart disease. What about developing
    brains? What about the fact that statins have been proven to cause
    higher rates of myositis and myopathy in active people?

    One in 500 of French Canadian descent and one in 67 Aschkenazy Jews


    to

    Quoted message said:

    name just two groups have familial hypercholesterolemia. So we


    should

    Quoted message said:

    put all those children on an unproven class of drugs...to what end?

    Epidemiologist and Cochrane Collaboration member James Wright has


    said

    Quoted message said:

    there is no evidence for use in primary prevention.

    We can prove statins lower cholesterol but we have not proven they
    affect all cause mortality. We don't know what will happen to


    children

    Quoted message said:

    and youth when they have taken these drugs for 15-20 years. They are
    safe the story says. For how long? Effective the story says. To do
    what?

    Athletes deny their pain to continue their sport. Young sports
    enthusiasts will deny their pain perhaps until it's too late to stop
    the decline into rhabdomyolysis. Will we be creating a generation of
    athlerosclerotic-free wheel chair bound myopaths?

    A cholesterol level of 240 is not necessarily a pathology since
    approximately half of those who have heart attacks have so-called
    normal cholesterol levels. This is medicating on spec. Gambling with
    children's lives.

    Here is the last sentence of this rearranged press release posing as
    news. How despicable that physicians play this deadly game with our
    lives and now the lives of our children.

    "Dr. Gotto is a consultant for AstraZeneca, Bristol-Myers Squibb


    Co.,

    Quoted message said:

    Kowa, Merck & Co. Inc., Merck-Schering Plough, Novartis, Pfizer


    Inc.,

    Quoted message said:

    and Reliant Pharmaceuticals."

    Statins Safe, Effective in Children With Familial


    Hypercholesterolemia

    Quoted message said:

    CME
    News Author: Laurie Barclay, MD
    CME Author: Charles Vega, MD, FAAFP

    Release Date: July 20, 2004; Valid for credit through July 20, 2005

    July 20, 2004 - Statins are safe and effective for children with
    familial hypercholesterolemia, according to the results of a
    double-blind, randomized trial published in the July 21 issue of


    JAMA.

    Quoted message said:

    This disorder is characterized by markedly elevated levels of
    low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-c) beginning at birth.

    "Children with familial hypercholesterolemia have endothelial
    dysfunction and increased carotid intima-media thickness (IMT),


    which

    Quoted message said:

    herald the premature atherosclerotic disease they develop later in
    life," write Albert Wiegman, MD, PhD, from the University of


    Amsterdam

    Quoted message said:

    in the Netherlands, and colleagues. "Although intervention therapy


    in

    Quoted message said:

    the causal pathway of this disorder has been available for more than


    a

    Quoted message said:

    decade, the long-term efficacy and safety of cholesterol-lowering
    medication have not been evaluated in children."

    Between December 1997 and October 1999, 214 children with familial
    hypercholesterolemia, aged 8 to 18 years, were randomized to receive
    pravastatin, 20 to 40 mg/day, or placebo for two years. Before
    receiving study medication, all children began a fat-restricted diet
    and were encouraged to participate in regular physical activity.

    In the pravastatin group, mean carotid IMT showed a trend toward
    regression compared with baseline (-0.010 ± 0.048 mm; P = .049). In
    the placebo group, there was a trend toward progression (+0.005 ±
    0.044 mm; P = .28). The mean change in IMT between the two groups


    was

    Quoted message said:

    significant (0.014 ± 0.046 mm; P = .02).

    Mean change in LDL-c levels was a 24.1% reduction in the pravastatin
    group, and a 0.3% increase in the placebo group (P < .001). Growth,
    maturation, hormonal levels, and muscle and liver enzymes were


    similar

    Quoted message said:

    in both groups.

    Study limitations were possible confounding by healthy lifestyle and
    diet, use of a surrogate marker of future vascular disease rather


    than

    Quoted message said:

    clinical endpoints, and lack of generalizability to children with
    other causes of increased atherosclerotic risk.

    "We were able to show that statin treatment improved the lipoprotein
    profile toward more physiological levels and we observed regression


    of

    Quoted message said:

    carotid IMT. This shows that the increased arterial wall thickness
    progression found in children with familial hypercholesterolemia is
    reversible," the authors write. "Although this trial in children


    with

    Quoted message said:

    familial hypercholesterolemia has, to our knowledge, the most
    extensive follow-up to date, data on even longer-term safety and
    efficacy of statin therapy in children are needed."

    The Zorg Onderzoek Nederland and Bristol-Myers Squibb Inc. supported
    this study.

    In an accompanying editorial, Antonio M. Gotto, Jr., MD, DPhil, from
    Weill Medical College of Cornell University in New York, NY,


    suggests

    Quoted message said:

    that most children with familial hypercholesterolemia may need drug
    therapy. However, Dr. Gotto recognizes that potential risks of


    therapy

    Quoted message said:

    must be considered in young patients.

    "In the case of familial hypercholesterolemia, the promise of


    reducing

    Quoted message said:

    future cardiovascular morbidity and mortality, as well as future
    demands on acute care and more expensive preventive approaches,


    would

    Quoted message said:

    make aggressive treatment of high-risk young patients a worthwhile
    long-term initiative," Dr. Gotto writes. "Appropriate targeting of
    lifestyle and drug therapies will optimize primary prevention in


    this

    Quoted message said:

    group at demonstrated risk for early disease."

    Dr. Gotto is a consultant for AstraZeneca, Bristol-Myers Squibb Co.,
    Kowa, Merck & Co. Inc., Merck-Schering Plough, Novartis, Pfizer


    Inc.,

    Quoted message said:

    and Reliant Pharmaceuticals.

    JAMA. 2004;292:331-337, 377-378


  6. "George Conklin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "GT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This could be a first step toward population control, since the


    sex

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hormones require cholesterol for manufacture and transport. We


    may

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    just get a generation where only a few (those who didn't take


    statins)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are able to reproduce.

    At a minimum, it will cause more problems than it solves.

    GT

    Since no native-born group in the USA reproduces itself now, we


    are being

    Quoted message said:

    repopulated by immigrants.

    Good point - you can be sure that the affluent take their medication
    as doctors and government recommend.

    To be sure everyone gets it, will the government will give billions of
    dollars to the pharmas to have statins put in drinking water - like
    fluoride?

    Perhaps Wonder Bread will now help build strong bodies 13 ways?
    Get your MDR of statins in Wheaties? in Cocoa Puffs? Now Total will
    be complete.

    Conspiracy theorists will love this...:-)

    GT

  7. "George Conklin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now they want you to risk your child's future and put him or her on a
    medication for life when there is no evidence that medication will be
    effective for prevention of heart disease.

    You must not work for a drug company.


    She works for the Canadian Health system where they deny statin therapy for
    their citizens in an effort to cut costs and reduce the expense of using
    newer drugs.

  8. "George Conklin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "GT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This could be a first step toward population control, since the sex
    hormones require cholesterol for manufacture and transport. We may
    just get a generation where only a few (those who didn't take statins)
    are able to reproduce.

    At a minimum, it will cause more problems than it solves.

    GT

    Since no native-born group in the USA reproduces itself now, we are


    being

    Quoted message said:

    repopulated by immigrants.


    By Canadian's?

  9. Listener

    Could you explain to me what this is? This came into my private e-mail
    today. If you have something to say to me have the decency to use a
    real e-mail address, otherwise you give credence to the argument that
    statins rip cojones.

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    Subject: Re: Put your babies on statins
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    A disillusioned mind is a terrible thing to
    waste.

    L.

    On 25 Jul 2004 03:47:33 -0700, in

    sci.med.cardiology you said:

    Now they want you to risk your child's future


    and put him or her on a

    Quoted message said:

    medication for life when there is no evidence


    that medication will be

    Quoted message said:

    effective for prevention of heart disease. What


    about developing

    Quoted message said:

    brains? What about the fact that statins have


    been proven to cause

    Quoted message said:

    higher rates of myositis and myopathy in active


    people?

    end private e-mail-----------snip--------------------

    [email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    A world full of little Zee's!

    The horror!

    L.

    GT said:

    This could be a first step toward population control, since the sex
    hormones require cholesterol for manufacture and transport. We may
    just get a generation where only a few (those who didn't take statins)
    are able to reproduce.

    At a minimum, it will cause more problems than it solves.

    GT

    "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now they want you to risk your child's future and put him or her on


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    medication for life when there is no evidence that medication will


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    effective for prevention of heart disease. What about developing
    brains? What about the fact that statins have been proven to cause
    higher rates of myositis and myopathy in active people?

    One in 500 of French Canadian descent and one in 67 Aschkenazy Jews


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    name just two groups have familial hypercholesterolemia. So we


    should

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    put all those children on an unproven class of drugs...to what end?

    Epidemiologist and Cochrane Collaboration member James Wright has


    said

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    there is no evidence for use in primary prevention.

    We can prove statins lower cholesterol but we have not proven they
    affect all cause mortality. We don't know what will happen to


    children

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and youth when they have taken these drugs for 15-20 years. They are
    safe the story says. For how long? Effective the story says. To do
    what?

    Athletes deny their pain to continue their sport. Young sports
    enthusiasts will deny their pain perhaps until it's too late to stop
    the decline into rhabdomyolysis. Will we be creating a generation of
    athlerosclerotic-free wheel chair bound myopaths?

    A cholesterol level of 240 is not necessarily a pathology since
    approximately half of those who have heart attacks have so-called
    normal cholesterol levels. This is medicating on spec. Gambling with
    children's lives.

    Here is the last sentence of this rearranged press release posing as
    news. How despicable that physicians play this deadly game with our
    lives and now the lives of our children.

    "Dr. Gotto is a consultant for AstraZeneca, Bristol-Myers Squibb


    Co.,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Kowa, Merck & Co. Inc., Merck-Schering Plough, Novartis, Pfizer


    Inc.,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and Reliant Pharmaceuticals."

    Statins Safe, Effective in Children With Familial


    Hypercholesterolemia

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    CME
    News Author: Laurie Barclay, MD
    CME Author: Charles Vega, MD, FAAFP

    Release Date: July 20, 2004; Valid for credit through July 20, 2005

    July 20, 2004 - Statins are safe and effective for children with
    familial hypercholesterolemia, according to the results of a
    double-blind, randomized trial published in the July 21 issue of


    JAMA.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This disorder is characterized by markedly elevated levels of
    low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-c) beginning at birth.

    "Children with familial hypercholesterolemia have endothelial
    dysfunction and increased carotid intima-media thickness (IMT),


    which

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    herald the premature atherosclerotic disease they develop later in
    life," write Albert Wiegman, MD, PhD, from the University of


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    in the Netherlands, and colleagues. "Although intervention therapy


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    the causal pathway of this disorder has been available for more than


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    decade, the long-term efficacy and safety of cholesterol-lowering
    medication have not been evaluated in children."

    Between December 1997 and October 1999, 214 children with familial
    hypercholesterolemia, aged 8 to 18 years, were randomized to receive
    pravastatin, 20 to 40 mg/day, or placebo for two years. Before
    receiving study medication, all children began a fat-restricted diet
    and were encouraged to participate in regular physical activity.

    In the pravastatin group, mean carotid IMT showed a trend toward
    regression compared with baseline (-0.010 ± 0.048 mm; P = .049). In
    the placebo group, there was a trend toward progression (+0.005 ±
    0.044 mm; P = .28). The mean change in IMT between the two groups


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    significant (0.014 ± 0.046 mm; P = .02).

    Mean change in LDL-c levels was a 24.1% reduction in the pravastatin
    group, and a 0.3% increase in the placebo group (P < .001). Growth,
    maturation, hormonal levels, and muscle and liver enzymes were


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    in both groups.

    Study limitations were possible confounding by healthy lifestyle and
    diet, use of a surrogate marker of future vascular disease rather


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    clinical endpoints, and lack of generalizability to children with
    other causes of increased atherosclerotic risk.

    "We were able to show that statin treatment improved the lipoprotein
    profile toward more physiological levels and we observed regression


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    carotid IMT. This shows that the increased arterial wall thickness
    progression found in children with familial hypercholesterolemia is
    reversible," the authors write. "Although this trial in children


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    familial hypercholesterolemia has, to our knowledge, the most
    extensive follow-up to date, data on even longer-term safety and
    efficacy of statin therapy in children are needed."

    The Zorg Onderzoek Nederland and Bristol-Myers Squibb Inc. supported
    this study.

    In an accompanying editorial, Antonio M. Gotto, Jr., MD, DPhil, from
    Weill Medical College of Cornell University in New York, NY,


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    that most children with familial hypercholesterolemia may need drug
    therapy. However, Dr. Gotto recognizes that potential risks of


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    must be considered in young patients.

    "In the case of familial hypercholesterolemia, the promise of


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    future cardiovascular morbidity and mortality, as well as future
    demands on acute care and more expensive preventive approaches,


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    make aggressive treatment of high-risk young patients a worthwhile
    long-term initiative," Dr. Gotto writes. "Appropriate targeting of
    lifestyle and drug therapies will optimize primary prevention in


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    group at demonstrated risk for early disease."

    Dr. Gotto is a consultant for AstraZeneca, Bristol-Myers Squibb Co.,
    Kowa, Merck & Co. Inc., Merck-Schering Plough, Novartis, Pfizer


    Inc.,

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    and Reliant Pharmaceuticals.

    JAMA. 2004;292:331-337, 377-378


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    "George Conklin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Now they want you to risk your child's future and put him or her on a
    medication for life when there is no evidence that medication will be
    effective for prevention of heart disease.

    You must not work for a drug company.


    She works for the Canadian Health system where they deny statin therapy


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    their citizens in an effort to cut costs and reduce the expense of using
    newer drugs.

    You are equally as likely to live after a heart attack in Canada as the in
    the USA. Even pro-treatment USA-profit-maximization physicians state that
    all the procedures we do here are comfort procedures. Read: highly
    profitable.

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    This could be a first step toward population control, since the sex
    hormones require cholesterol for manufacture and transport. We may
    just get a generation where only a few (those who didn't take statins)
    are able to reproduce.

    At a minimum, it will cause more problems than it solves.

    GT

    Since no native-born group in the USA reproduces itself now, we are


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    repopulated by immigrants.


    By Canadian's?


    Mostly be people from south of the border.

  12. "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    We can prove statins lower cholesterol but we have not proven they
    affect all cause mortality.

    This is untrue and you know it is untrue. For certain classes of people - i.e.
    those with heart problems or diabetes - studies have shown a drop in all cause
    mortality over the course of the study - which is an affect on all cause
    mortality. I have cited several instances of this to you before and yet you
    chose to ignore them.

    Bill

  13. (Zee) said:

    Listener

    Could you explain to me what this is? This came into my private e-mail
    today. If you have something to say to me have the decency to use a
    real e-mail address, otherwise you give credence to the argument that
    statins rip cojones.

    An error. Should have gone to the newsgroup rather than "reply via
    email".

    It won't happen again.

    L.

  14. "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    We can prove statins lower cholesterol but we have not proven they
    affect all cause mortality.

    This is untrue and you know it is untrue. For certain classes of people - i.e.
    those with heart problems or diabetes - studies have shown a drop in all cause
    mortality over the course of the study - which is an affect on all cause
    mortality. I have cited several instances of this to you before and yet you
    chose to ignore them.

    Bill

    I disagree with you. I don't have anything more to say on this Bill.

    Zee

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    "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

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    "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    We can prove statins lower cholesterol but we have not proven they
    affect all cause mortality.

    This is untrue and you know it is untrue. For certain classes of people -


    i.e.

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    Quoted message said:

    those with heart problems or diabetes - studies have shown a drop in all


    cause

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    mortality over the course of the study - which is an affect on all cause
    mortality. I have cited several instances of this to you before and yet


    you

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    chose to ignore them.

    Bill

    I disagree with you. I don't have anything more to say on this Bill.

    Zee

    You disagree, but you will not say why? That makes you appear to be one who
    argues from emotion rather than reason. Here is a quote from a recent study
    which YOU originally cited - not me.

    "Results showed that the participants who took Zocor decreased their odds
    of overall mortality by 1.8% in the next five years, compared to those
    who were untreated (placebo group)"

    What precisely do you disagree with. Again you provided the source.

    Here is another one:

    Conclusions Our meta-analysis indicates that reduction in LDL-C associated
    with statin drug treatment decreases the risk of coronary heart disease and
    all-cause mortality. The risk reduction was similar for men and women and for
    elderly and middle-aged persons.

    http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/282/24/2340?ijkey=5905c2a44ea3f8bdcae76d5f4f5d72f91198e763

    http://tinyurl.com/6qwo8

    There could be qualifiers. But why do you believe that statins do not help
    some classes of people - in the sense of all-cause mortality?

    Bill

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    "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > We can prove statins lower cholesterol but we have not proven they
    > affect all cause mortality.

    This is untrue and you know it is untrue. For certain classes of people -


    i.e.

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    Quoted message said:

    those with heart problems or diabetes - studies have shown a drop in all


    cause

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    mortality over the course of the study - which is an affect on all cause
    mortality. I have cited several instances of this to you before and yet


    you

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    chose to ignore them.

    Bill

    I disagree with you. I don't have anything more to say on this Bill.

    Zee

    You disagree, but you will not say why? That makes you appear to be one who
    argues from emotion rather than reason. Here is a quote from a recent study
    which YOU originally cited - not me.

    "Results showed that the participants who took Zocor decreased their odds
    of overall mortality by 1.8% in the next five years, compared to those
    who were untreated (placebo group)"

    What precisely do you disagree with. Again you provided the source.

    Here is another one:

    Conclusions Our meta-analysis indicates that reduction in LDL-C associated
    with statin drug treatment decreases the risk of coronary heart disease and
    all-cause mortality. The risk reduction was similar for men and women and for
    elderly and middle-aged persons.

    http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/282/24/2340?ijkey=5905c2a44ea3f8bdcae76d5f4f5d72f91198e763

    http://tinyurl.com/6qwo8

    There could be qualifiers. But why do you believe that statins do not help
    some classes of people - in the sense of all-cause mortality?

    Bill

    Be careful Bill or you'll be accused of harrassing Zee, as I was. You
    caught her and she does not know how to rationally respond.

    L.

  17. "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    We can prove statins lower cholesterol but we have not proven they
    affect all cause mortality.

    This is untrue and you know it is untrue. For certain classes of people - i.e.
    those with heart problems or diabetes - studies have shown a drop in all cause
    mortality over the course of the study - which is an affect on all cause
    mortality. I have cited several instances of this to you before and yet you
    chose to ignore them.

    Bill

    I have told you why Bill. I would also add that I agree with Owen.
    Please accept my answer.

    Zee

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    "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > We can prove statins lower cholesterol but we have not proven they
    > affect all cause mortality.

    This is untrue and you know it is untrue. For certain classes of


    people -

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    i.e.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    those with heart problems or diabetes - studies have shown a drop in all


    cause

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    mortality over the course of the study - which is an affect on all cause
    mortality. I have cited several instances of this to you before and yet


    you

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    chose to ignore them.

    Bill

    I disagree with you. I don't have anything more to say on this Bill.

    Zee

    You disagree, but you will not say why? That makes you appear to be one who
    argues from emotion rather than reason. Here is a quote from a recent study
    which YOU originally cited - not me.

    "Results showed that the participants who took Zocor decreased their odds
    of overall mortality by 1.8% in the next five years, compared to those
    who were untreated (placebo group)"

    What precisely do you disagree with. Again you provided the source.

    Here is another one:

    Conclusions Our meta-analysis indicates that reduction in LDL-C associated
    with statin drug treatment decreases the risk of coronary heart disease and
    all-cause mortality. The risk reduction was similar for men and women and


    for

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    elderly and middle-aged persons.


    http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/282/24/2340?ijkey=5905c2a44ea3f8bdcae76d5f4f5d72f91198e763

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    http://tinyurl.com/6qwo8

    There could be qualifiers. But why do you believe that statins do not help
    some classes of people - in the sense of all-cause mortality?

    Bill

    Then Zee wrote

    "I have told you why Bill. I would also add that I agree with Owen.
    Please accept my answer."

    Zee

    I can't since I don't have an answer from you. Could you repeat it? I also
    fully responded to Owen's comments. In addition, I don't believe I quoted the
    JAMA article before, so I am not sure how you could have responded to it.

    Bill

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    "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    > "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > > We can prove statins lower cholesterol but we have not proven they
    > > affect all cause mortality.
    >
    > This is untrue and you know it is untrue. For certain classes of


    people -
    i.e.

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    > those with heart problems or diabetes - studies have shown a drop in all


    cause

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    > mortality over the course of the study - which is an affect on all cause
    > mortality. I have cited several instances of this to you before and yet


    you

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    > chose to ignore them.
    >
    > Bill

    I disagree with you. I don't have anything more to say on this Bill.

    Zee

    You disagree, but you will not say why? That makes you appear to be one who
    argues from emotion rather than reason. Here is a quote from a recent study
    which YOU originally cited - not me.

    "Results showed that the participants who took Zocor decreased their odds
    of overall mortality by 1.8% in the next five years, compared to those
    who were untreated (placebo group)"

    What precisely do you disagree with. Again you provided the source.

    Here is another one:

    Conclusions Our meta-analysis indicates that reduction in LDL-C associated
    with statin drug treatment decreases the risk of coronary heart disease and
    all-cause mortality. The risk reduction was similar for men and women and


    for

    Quoted message said:

    elderly and middle-aged persons.


    http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/282/24/2340?ijkey=5905c2a44ea3f8bdcae76d5f4f5d72f91198e763

    Quoted message said:


    http://tinyurl.com/6qwo8

    There could be qualifiers. But why do you believe that statins do not help
    some classes of people - in the sense of all-cause mortality?

    Bill

    Then Zee wrote

    "I have told you why Bill. I would also add that I agree with Owen.
    Please accept my answer."

    Zee

    I can't since I don't have an answer from you. Could you repeat it? I also
    fully responded to Owen's comments. In addition, I don't believe I quoted the
    JAMA article before, so I am not sure how you could have responded to it.

    Bill

    I'm trying to learn how to drink. Possibly not the best time to bother me.

    Zee

  20. "Zee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I'm trying to learn how to drink. Possibly not the best time to bother me.

    Zee

    This is much too easy. 🙂 However, you might consider

    http://www.hungover.net/

    Bill

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