"Pump Peg" Still Usefull?

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:44:45 -0700 (PDT), Hank <[email hidden]>

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still just me said:

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The really trick way of carrying a pump is to have
your frame builder braze one or two pegs onto the
left seatstay, and mounting the pump along that.

Oh, that's a fashion tragedy!

I got tired of my top-tube mounted pump rattling over bumps, and I
didn't like the look of a Velcro strap. Then, I discovered that the
pump fit perfectly along the left seatstay, no pegs needed. the handle
end goes against the dropout, and the valve end nestles beween the
seatstay end and the seat tube. I drilled a small drain hole in the
handle end in case of rain. I bought the pump when I had my frame
repainted, and had the pump painted to match. You have to look pretty
hard to even see the thing.

Interesting.

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:44:45 -0700 (PDT), Hank <[email hidden]>

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I got tired of my top-tube mounted pump rattling over bumps, and I
didn't like the look of a Velcro strap. Then, I discovered that the
pump fit perfectly along the left seatstay, no pegs needed. the handle
end goes against the dropout, and the valve end nestles beween the
seatstay end and the seat tube. I drilled a small drain hole in the
handle end in case of rain. I bought the pump when I had my frame
repainted, and had the pump painted to match. You have to look pretty
hard to even see the thing.

I sometimes carry a pump that way. The downside is that if/when you
ride on wet roads, a fair amount of water gets into the pump handle
and over time that can destroy the pump.

still just me said:

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:44:45 -0700 (PDT), Hank <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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I got tired of my top-tube mounted pump rattling over bumps, and I
didn't like the look of a Velcro strap. Then, I discovered that the
pump fit perfectly along the left seatstay, no pegs needed. the handle
end goes against the dropout, and the valve end nestles beween the
seatstay end and the seat tube. I drilled a small drain hole in the
handle end in case of rain. I bought the pump when I had my frame
repainted, and had the pump painted to match. You have to look pretty
hard to even see the thing.

Interesting.

Sometimes this requires a shorter pump. And sometimes one can use the
end of the quick release lever as a sort of pump peg, if the pump
won't stay nicely snuggled against the drop out or the dropout shape
is not right.

still just me said:

When the HP came out they changed the head to eliminate the hole for
the peg. I think that's because they added the clamping lever and it
didn't work any more (and pegs were passe).

My HPx (I think it is) has peg holes at both ends.

Jasper

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

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So do modern frame pumps still accomodate a pump peg, or would the peg
actually get in the way?

Yep and most full sized frame pumps come in sizes to match you TT
length.

Thanks for the concise answer, Peter. That's what I needed to know.
I'm going to get a Zefal HPX-4.

Art Harris

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As other people have implied, the problem is that
your pump is too short. For many frames, the pump
that fits along the seat tube is too short to run the
entire length of the top tube. The plastic standoffs
on the head end of a Zefal pump can fit in the
top tube-seat tube junction while the handle end
fits against the pump peg. If you don't have a pump
peg, Zefal made a plastic peg that fit on with a
hose-clamp style strap. These will fit under a brake
cable better than the old metal clamp-on pump cap,
although they are stylistically inelegant.

still just me said:

Yes... to the OP - there are different length HP's available.
The ancestor to the HP was the Zefal Competition. It had both the
plastic standoffs to fit on a frame on the seat or head tube AND it
had a hole in the pump head to use pump pegs at BOTH ends. You could
also use it with the cap type AFA umbrella on the handle of course.
Very adaptable. They came in different lengths. You could use one on
your top tube with one end in an umbrella and the other with the peg
in the hole of the head.
When the HP came out they changed the head to eliminate the hole for
the peg. I think that's because they added the clamping lever and it
didn't work any more (and pegs were passe).
You can find them on Ebay from time to time. Look for a Zefal that
looks like an HP but has a larger barrel. It typically says
Competition on the barrel but it can be worn out now. They sometimes
came in French colors with a blue head and red grip or with a silver
head and a black grip. They were shiny anodized instead of the HP's
dull gray finish.

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A Zefal HPx (not HP) has an angled handle end that
fits into acute angle tube junctions. This lets you
run it along the seat tube without using a pump cap
or peg.

still just me said:

When it matches well enough on length.

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The really trick way of carrying a pump is to have
your frame builder braze one or two pegs onto the
left seatstay, and mounting the pump along that.

still just me said:

Oh, that's a fashion tragedy!

The original '80s HPX through the most recent HPX revision all have a
dimple in the handle for a pump peg. HPX are three sizes, HP are one length.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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On Jun 5, 8:39 am, Art Harris <[email hidden]> wrote:

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One of my classic steel road bikes has a pump peg on the head tube. My
Zefal HP frame pump has a hole for a pump peg on one end, but plastic
braces on the other end.

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I currently have the pump installed on the seat tube (the plastic
braces press against the seat tube/down tube interface, and a clamp-on
metal cap attached to the seat tube holds the other end. This works
fine except that I can't mount a water bottle on the seat tube. (In
the warm weather, I'd like to carry two water bottles.)

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I tried mounting the HP pump under the top tube using the pump peg on
one end and the clamp-on cap on the other. Problem is that the brake
cable guides on top of the top tube interfere with the clamp-on cap,
and the clamp is also too big for the 1" top tube.

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So do modern frame pumps still accomodate a pump peg, or would the peg
actually get in the way? Any suggestions how I can get a full size
pump installed under the TT of this bike?

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Thanks,
Art Harris

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I think a lot of "modern frames" can accommodate a pump peg. They
just don't...which I find really irritating. Probably nothing on a
frame has a higher benefit-to-cost ratio. Having to strap, clamp,
duct-tape, glue, or whatever a frame pump to an otherwise beautiful
bicycle is an aesthetic offensive of the highest order.

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I guess we're all just supposed to load up on CO2 and relegate our
frame pumps to the equipment boneyard. I don't like the limitations
of CO2. I know for some they make sense but for the vast majority of
cyclists, a full sized frame pump would be a better choice. Frame
builders should acknowledge this and provide proper pump pegs.- Hide quoted text -

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Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
anchor and take up shuffleboard.

Full grown, will not use C02, and wouldn't convert my bike into a boat
anchor even if I could attach it to you and throw the entire thing
into the Everglades.

Try pedaling your ass down something other than perfectly paved
asphalt and/or actually riding for longer than 10 minutes some time.
C02 makes little or no sense for 99% of all cyclists out there.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Colin Campbell said:

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Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
anchor and take up shuffleboard.

Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.

Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?

With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
fill your tire. With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.

CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. If you like paying
it, go ahead. But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
eat more goodies!

When I am pumping air I am not riding the bicycle.
Of course I carry a pump.

--
Michael Press

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Jay Beattie said:

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Colin Campbell said:

> Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> anchor and take up shuffleboard.

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Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.

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Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?

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With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
fill your tire.  With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.

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CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that.  If you like paying
it, go ahead.  But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
eat more goodies!

Oh c'mon...let's not turn this into a referendum on the energy crisis.
The only cyclists still using pumps are luddites and "retrogrouches".
More power to 'em.  CO2 is a modern solution for modern cyclists using
modern frames.  Pump pegs are at the right place in terms of the
evolution of bicycles and equipement...obscure, "cute", and retro.  If
you want one on your frame, you SHOULD have to custom order it.  They
now belong in the "boneyard" along with gonfluers, hand-operated
derailluers, bar-mounted bottle cages, and "standard reach" brakes.
Yes, there is still a niche market for these things (ok, maybe not
gonfluers)  but they are not mainstream.

Over many thousands of miles, I have used maybe 2 CO2 cartridges.  If
you take care of your tires, properly inflate them with a floor pump,
etc. it isn't like you will need to blow through a couple hundred CO2
cartridges every month.- Hide quoted text -

CO2 is fine except when things go really wrong. A couple of weeks
ago, I sliced up a tire sidewall and blew the tube while in the middle
of nowhere. I went to put in a spare (after finding an appropriate
boot) and after pumping it up, I realized it had a hole in it. I
found the hole and patched it. Repeat. Damn, it had a second hole --
what was this thing doing in my seatbag? I fix that. Pump up the
tire, and the valve stem falls out. It's the tube from hell! So, now
I have two patches left and the original tube with a giant blow-out
hole that barely fits under a patch. I patched that, and it held --
thank God, I made it back to town and bought some new tubes and a
tire.

This is really more an object lesson about making sure you have good
tubes and a patch kit in your seatbag -- and maybe a cell phone. But
because I had a frame pump, I was able to extricate myself from a bad
situation. I would have blown through a CO2 cartride and been looking
for a ride. Now, if it were just throwing in a spare, then CO2 would
have saved me from the PITA mini-pump (which is the only thing that
fits on the bike). -- Jay Beattie.

Carry a tube to replace a punctured tube, a tube to replace
the buggered up replacement tube, and a third tube for back up.
Oh, yes, and the patch kit.

--
Michael Press

In article <[email hidden]>,

(A R:nen) said:

Jay Beattie said:

CO2 is fine except when things go really wrong.

For that there are combined CO2 inflator + pump thingies (mine is from
Barbieri but I think now there are others as well) that combine the
convenience of CO2 with the masochism of a mini pump. By the time you
actually need the pump feature, you can't help but laugh hysterically.

That's because you are using the NO2 cartridges.

--
Michael Press

On Jun 5, 2:05 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

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On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:44:45 -0700 (PDT), Hank <[email hidden]>

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I got tired of my top-tube mounted pump rattling over bumps, and I
didn't like the look of a Velcro strap. Then, I discovered that the
pump fit perfectly along the left seatstay, no pegs needed. the handle
end goes against the dropout, and the valve end nestles beween the
seatstay end and the seat tube. I drilled a small drain hole in the
handle end in case of rain. I bought the pump when I had my frame
repainted, and had the pump painted to match. You have to look pretty
hard to even see the thing.

I sometimes carry a pump that way. The downside is that if/when you
ride on wet roads, a fair amount of water gets into the pump handle
and over time that can destroy the pump.

This is partially true. It doesn't harm your ability to pump air, but
it can cause other problems.

On my Topeak Master Blaster, accumulated dirt can seize up the "HP/X"
twist lock. If you can't lock it, pumping high pressures is tough,
because you have to bottom out the spring before any air is pumped at
high pressure. If you have locked it, pumped your tire and can't
unlock it afterwards, you can't mount it back on the bike. I try to
check it after it dries out after a wet ride, and if it's seized, I
take apart the handle and clean it, which takes about 3 or 4 minutes.
The drain hole I drilled in the peg dimple has helped minimize the
problems.

Michael Press said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Jay Beattie said:

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On Jun 5, 11:27 am, Colin Campbell <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> > anchor and take up shuffleboard.

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> Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.

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> Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
> lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?

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> With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
> fill your tire.  With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
> undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.

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> CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that.  If you like paying
> it, go ahead.  But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
> energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
> eat more goodies!

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Oh c'mon...let's not turn this into a referendum on the energy crisis.
The only cyclists still using pumps are luddites and "retrogrouches".
More power to 'em.  CO2 is a modern solution for modern cyclists using
modern frames.  Pump pegs are at the right place in terms of the
evolution of bicycles and equipement...obscure, "cute", and retro.  If
you want one on your frame, you SHOULD have to custom order it.  They
now belong in the "boneyard" along with gonfluers, hand-operated
derailluers, bar-mounted bottle cages, and "standard reach" brakes.
Yes, there is still a niche market for these things (ok, maybe not
gonfluers)  but they are not mainstream.

Quoted message said:

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Over many thousands of miles, I have used maybe 2 CO2 cartridges.  If
you take care of your tires, properly inflate them with a floor pump,
etc. it isn't like you will need to blow through a couple hundred CO2
cartridges every month.- Hide quoted text -

Quoted message said:

CO2 is fine except when things go really wrong.  A couple of weeks
ago, I sliced up a tire sidewall and blew the tube while in the middle
of nowhere.  I went to put in a spare (after finding an appropriate
boot) and after pumping it up, I realized it had a hole in it.  I
found the hole and patched it.  Repeat.  Damn, it had a second hole --
what was this thing doing in my seatbag?  I fix that.  Pump up the
tire, and the valve stem falls out.  It's the tube from hell!  So, now
I have two patches left and the original tube with a giant blow-out
hole that barely fits under a patch. I patched that, and it held --
thank God, I made it back to town and bought some new tubes and a
tire.

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This is really more an object lesson about making sure you have good
tubes and a patch kit in your seatbag -- and maybe a cell phone.  But
because I had a frame pump, I was able to extricate myself from a bad
situation.  I would have blown through a CO2 cartride and been looking
for a ride.  Now, if it were just throwing in a spare, then CO2 would
have saved me from the PITA mini-pump (which is the only thing that
fits on the bike). -- Jay Beattie.

Carry a tube to replace a punctured tube, a tube to replace
the buggered up replacement tube, and a third tube for back up.
Oh, yes, and the patch kit.

I was lucky I had a patch kit. My bikes went seriously unattended
while I was healing from my broken leg, and I wasn't very dilligent in
checking the contents of the seat bags when I got back to riding. It
was all my fault, but at least I had the equipment to get home. -- Jay
Beattie.

"Colin Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
anchor and take up shuffleboard.

Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.

Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?

With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
fill your tire. With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.

CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. If you like paying
it, go ahead. But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
eat more goodies!

When I visit my LBS I always look at the frames waiting for parts to build
them up in their display cabinet (they only do build ups). One day I am
admiring a custom made titanium Seven. 'Very nice welds' I said to him. He
looked over his glasses behind his desk and said 'we are sending it back'.
'Why?' I asked. 'Those American morons welded a pumppeg on', he replied.
'So?' I asked. 'We ordered a custom frame for the customer and he didn't
want that little [censored], so we sending it back so they solve that problem' he
said.
'How long did you wait for that frame?', since we live in the Netherlands .
'Three months'.
'Isn't it a long time to wait maybe another three months?'
'That doesn't matter, custom, is custom and the customer is paying for
that'.
Three weeks later I was admiring a build up Seven with no pumppeg....

Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.

Lou

still just me said:

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:10:00 -0700 (PDT), "[email hidden]"

Quoted message said:

The really trick way of carrying a pump is to have
your frame builder braze one or two pegs onto the
left seatstay, and mounting the pump along that.

Oh, that's a fashion tragedy!

On the contrary. It provides elegantly minimal
pump storage that is out of the way. A friend of mine
had Rick Hunter of Hunter Cycles do this for his
frame and it looked quite nice. You can sometimes
do similarly by running the pump between seat cluster
and QR lever as JFT described. With the braze-ons,
the pump stays in firmly and doesn't run the risk
of falling out when you go over bumps.

Ben

Lou Holtman said:

"Colin Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

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Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
anchor and take up shuffleboard.

Quoted message said:

Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.

Quoted message said:

Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?

Quoted message said:

With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
fill your tire. With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.

Quoted message said:

CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. If you like paying
it, go ahead. But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
eat more goodies!

When I visit my LBS I always look at the frames waiting for parts to build
them up in their display cabinet (they only do build ups). One day I am
admiring a custom made titanium Seven. 'Very nice welds' I said to him. He
looked over his glasses behind his desk and said 'we are sending it back'.
'Why?' I asked. 'Those American morons welded a pumppeg on', he replied.
'So?' I asked. 'We ordered a custom frame for the customer and he didn't
want that little [censored], so we sending it back so they solve that problem' he
said.
'How long did you wait for that frame?', since we live in the Netherlands ..
'Three months'.
'Isn't it a long time to wait maybe another three months?'
'That doesn't matter, custom, is custom and the customer is paying for
that'.
Three weeks later I was admiring a build up Seven with no pumppeg....

Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.

Commitment? Ten minutes with a Dremel cut off disc and a buffing
attachment and that [censored]'s gone. Sounds like a really [censored] shop to me--
let me guess, they probably don't know how to build a wheel from
scratch either? Three months waiting for the customer because they
don't know how to operate tools? Very lame.

Lou Holtman said:

Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.

Get the customer what he wants...

I'm having (a very minor) problem making "Dutch, Holland, bicycle"
jibe with rejecting a bigbux custom frame (waiting, transp. risk
factor, can you see where they ground it off, etc. etc.) for having a
pump peg on it, plus wondering at what kind of "riding crowd" one
would have to mingle with where a pump peg, in use or not, would be a
social liability.

Well, like they say, every half a gram or so counts! --D-y

A Muzi said:

The original '80s HPX through the most recent HPX revision all have a
dimple in the handle for a pump peg.

That's what I needed to know. Thanks.

Art

My Ritchey has a bb(?) brazed on the backside of the head tube. Very
minimal, but it holds a Blackburn pump very securely under the top
tube. It never shaken loose and I don't expect it too, but I cringe
at the thought of a stay mounted pump getting loose and stuck in the
wheel...

JG

landotter said:

Lou Holtman said:

"Colin Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

> Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> anchor and take up shuffleboard.
Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
fill your tire. With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. If you like paying
it, go ahead. But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
eat more goodies!

When I visit my LBS I always look at the frames waiting for parts to build
them up in their display cabinet (they only do build ups). One day I am
admiring a custom made titanium Seven. 'Very nice welds' I said to him. He
looked over his glasses behind his desk and said 'we are sending it back'.
'Why?' I asked. 'Those American morons welded a pumppeg on', he replied.
'So?' I asked. 'We ordered a custom frame for the customer and he didn't
want that little [censored], so we sending it back so they solve that problem' he
said.
'How long did you wait for that frame?', since we live in the Netherlands .
'Three months'.
'Isn't it a long time to wait maybe another three months?'
'That doesn't matter, custom, is custom and the customer is paying for
that'.
Three weeks later I was admiring a build up Seven with no pumppeg....

Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.

Commitment? Ten minutes with a Dremel cut off disc and a buffing
attachment and that [censored]'s gone. Sounds like a really [censored] shop to me--
let me guess, they probably don't know how to build a wheel from
scratch either?

Who allows even a very competent LBS dremel on a new multi thousand euro
custom Ti Seven frame? You must have low quality/aesthetic standards.
And boy, you are wrong about the wheels they build.

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Three months waiting for the customer because they
don't know how to operate tools? Very lame.

It took Seven three months to build and ship that custom frame to the
Netherlands. Three weeks return time to get rid of the pump peg and
finishing the bike.

Lou

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Lou Holtman said:

Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.

Get the customer what he wants...

I'm having (a very minor) problem making "Dutch, Holland, bicycle"
jibe with rejecting a bigbux custom frame (waiting, transp. risk
factor, can you see where they ground it off, etc. etc.) for having a
pump peg on it, plus wondering at what kind of "riding crowd" one
would have to mingle with where a pump peg, in use or not, would be a
social liability.

Well, like they say, every half a gram or so counts! --D-y

My English is not that good to understand what you are trying to say.
If you order a red car and they deliver exactly the same model only in
purple you take it anyway and spray paint it red by yourself?

Lou