Provisional brownie point...

"wafflycat" <wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk> wrote in message
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... to Dereham plod.

I called into the station this morning to report yesterday's [censored]

incident

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as I was cycling into Dereham. Mr Plod wrote out an incident report - I

did

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not have to ask for this to be done. It seems said chavmobile is

well-known.

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I have been told that I may get a visit from an officer to take more

details

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(I'm not holding my breath on that bit) and that the driver may be had a
word with. I do hope that this last bit does happen and it's not just a
sympathetic phrase to me. So a provisional brownie point to Dereham plod

:-)

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I think you (and all) should do this at every incident.

You say this is a "...regular occurance...".

If you hadn't told anyone - especially the local Custodians of Law & Order,
should you have be the victim of a hit & run next time - well, he might well
escape scot free, mightn't he?

The same goes for every intentional threat to a cyclist. If one is killed -
it _does_ happen - and there have been reports of an individual who is known
to threaten cyclists on that route, it gives the local C of L & O something
to start with.

Quoted message said:

... to Dereham plod.

I called into the station this morning to report yesterday's [censored] incident
as I was cycling into Dereham. Mr Plod wrote out an incident report - I did
not have to ask for this to be done. It seems said chavmobile is well-known.
I have been told that I may get a visit from an officer to take more details
(I'm not holding my breath on that bit) and that the driver may be had a
word with. I do hope that this last bit does happen and it's not just a
sympathetic phrase to me. So a provisional brownie point to Dereham plod :-)

Excellent :-)
Let's hope said moron gets his ear clipped.

John B

JohnB said:

Let's hope said moron gets his bollocks clipped.

IFYPFY ;-)

d.

wafflycat said:

It seems said
chavmobile is well-known.

So if there were an incident in which, say, a terrified cyclist or
pedestrian ended up in a hedge or ditch, with minor scratches but
nothing serious, plod would have a weight of relevant circumstantial
evidence with which to bring a prosecution. I expect they might
prefer that to happen before rather than after someone gets killed.

--
Nick Kew

Nick Kew said:

I expect they might
prefer that to happen before rather than after someone gets killed.

They might but the standard police response is "they haven't done
anything illegal yet and we can't touch them until they have".

Tony

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:57:41 +0100, "wafflycat"

wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk said:

It seems said chavmobile is well-known.

You may not be aware of this.

Chav is derived from the Romany word for child, chavi.

Using chav as a derogatory term is insulting to the Romany community.

Tilly said:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:57:41 +0100, "wafflycat"

wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk said:

It seems said chavmobile is well-known.

You may not be aware of this.

Chav is derived from the Romany word for child, chavi.

Using chav as a derogatory term is insulting to the Romany community.

Maybe, maybe not
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Chav

Tony

Tony Raven said:

They might but the standard police response is "they haven't done
anything illegal yet and we can't touch them until they have".

I thought dangerous driving /was/ illegal. Not that that will make much
difference to Plod.

--
Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
<URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:57:41 +0100, "wafflycat"

wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk said:

It seems said chavmobile is well-known.

You may not be aware of this.

Chav is derived from the Romany word for child, chavi.

Using chav as a derogatory term is insulting to the Romany community.

My understanding is that is disputed. And in the context I used it, it most
certainly did *not* refer to the Romany community, of which there are none
local to me.

Cheers, helen s

Tilly said:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:57:41 +0100, "wafflycat"

wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk said:

It seems said chavmobile is well-known.

Chav is derived from the Romany word for child, chavi.
Using chav as a derogatory term is insulting to the Romany community.

I think you should distinguish between etymology and meaning.

regards, Ian SMith

Ian Smith said:

Tilly said:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:57:41 +0100, "wafflycat"

wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk said:

It seems said chavmobile is well-known.

Chav is derived from the Romany word for child, chavi.
Using chav as a derogatory term is insulting to the Romany community.

I think you should distinguish between etymology and meaning.

That's pretty much irrelevant to how a community may feel at its
language being used as insults.

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Ian Smith said:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:11:45 +0100, Tilly <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:57:41 +0100, "wafflycat"
<wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk> wrote:

>It seems said chavmobile is well-known.

Chav is derived from the Romany word for child, chavi.
Using chav as a derogatory term is insulting to the Romany community.

I think you should distinguish between etymology and meaning.

That's pretty much irrelevant to how a community may feel at its
language being used as insults.

I think there's no need to go looking for insults where none were intended.
Well, apart from at the chavmobile anyway. PC can be overdone.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:03:47 +0100 someone who may be Tony Raven
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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They might but the standard police response is "they haven't done
anything illegal yet and we can't touch them until they have".

That depends on whether the police are in favour of the alleged
offender or not. Someone has been sentenced to 13 years in prison
today for the "crime" of not doing something.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

Tilly said:

Ian Smith said:

Tilly said:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:57:41 +0100, "wafflycat"
<wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk> wrote:

>It seems said chavmobile is well-known.

Chav is derived from the Romany word for child, chavi.
Using chav as a derogatory term is insulting to the Romany community.

I think you should distinguish between etymology and meaning.

That's pretty much irrelevant to how a community may feel at its
language being used as insults.

Your saying no-one in any romany-speaking community ever insults
someone else? Interesting.

Presumably also you never say anything that could ever insult anyone
in any language world-wide? You _do_ know what 'pretty' means in the
patagonian qoiu dialect, don't you?

regards, Ian SMith

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Tony Raven said:

They might but the standard police response is "they haven't done
anything illegal yet and we can't touch them until they have".

I thought dangerous driving /was/ illegal. Not that that will make much
difference to Plod.

In this case alone there probably wouldn't be sufficient evidence to take
action - one cyclists word against however many there were in the car...
Perhaps the police are gathering enough seperate reports of anti-social
behaviour by the driver to have an ASBO raised against him, and the
possibility his car could be confiscated.

See for example
http://www.antisocialbehaviourscotland.com/asb/asb_display_wide.jsp?pContentID=284

(I'm assuming here English Law works similarly to Scots)

Danny Colyer said:

Tony Raven said:

They might but the standard police response is "they haven't done
anything illegal yet and we can't touch them until they have".

I thought dangerous driving /was/ illegal. Not that that will make much
difference to Plod.

If they have the evidence but one persons word against another isn't
sufficient. It need independent evidence or corroboration.

Tony

In message <[email hidden]>, Tilly
<[email hidden]> writes

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Ian Smith said:

Tilly said:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:57:41 +0100, "wafflycat"
<wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk> wrote:

>It seems said chavmobile is well-known.

Chav is derived from the Romany word for child, chavi.
Using chav as a derogatory term is insulting to the Romany community.

I think you should distinguish between etymology and meaning.

That's pretty much irrelevant to how a community may feel at its
language being used as insults.

Just because the word 'Chav' is similar to the word 'Chavi' does not
mean that the former is derived from the latter, as has been pointed
out.

I'm intrigued by the recent useage of the word Chav, as when I was
around 16-17 and living near Ashford in Kent it was used to mean
something like 'mate'

--
Chris French, Leeds

LSMike said:

"Tilly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ian Smith said:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:11:45 +0100, Tilly <[email hidden]>
wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:57:41 +0100, "wafflycat"
> <wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk> wrote:
>
> >It seems said chavmobile is well-known.
>
> Chav is derived from the Romany word for child, chavi.
> Using chav as a derogatory term is insulting to the Romany community.

I think you should distinguish between etymology and meaning.

That's pretty much irrelevant to how a community may feel at its
language being used as insults.

I think there's no need to go looking for insults where none were intended.
Well, apart from at the chavmobile anyway. PC can be overdone.

I hope it was clear in my original reply that I didn't think the term
was being deliberately used to insult a community.

In the 80s the term "wogbox" was commonly used to describe certain
types of radio cassette recorders. It was not often used to insult
the owner of the radio cassette recorder, and, perhaps, was not
deliberately insulting to a community. It was an insulting term
nonetheless.

You are right, PC can be overdone, but the debate is healthy.

In message <[email hidden]>, chris French
<[email hidden]> writes

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I'm intrigued by the recent useage of the word Chav, as when I was
around 16-17 and living near Ashford in Kent it was used to mean
something like 'mate'

Didn't finish that post.

Now at the time, some people said it came from a Romany word, which is
supported by the link Tony gave.
--
Chris French, Leeds