Protein requirements question

Carbs and fat are both used for energy to build muscles, the actual
substance that is used to build and repair muscle is protein. And
protein doesn't not create fat if there is excess, it will be out of ur
body in the bathroom. but keep in mind that useing protein doesn't
enchance ur metabolism, so consistent working out and eating right and
sleep are more important.

"Impressions" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Carbs and fat are both used for energy to build muscles, the actual
substance that is used to build and repair muscle is protein. And
protein doesn't not create fat if there is excess, it will be out of ur
body in the bathroom.

So, with a daily caloric maintenance value of 3700 calories, I can eat 6000
calories a day of protein (YUM! I could do that easily) and not gain any
fat?

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David

David Cohen said:

"Impressions" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Carbs and fat are both used for energy to build muscles, the actual
substance that is used to build and repair muscle is protein. And
protein doesn't not create fat if there is excess, it will be out of ur
body in the bathroom.

So, with a daily caloric maintenance value of 3700 calories, I can eat 6000
calories a day of protein (YUM! I could do that easily) and not gain any
fat?

I wish to subscribe to your newsletter!

Let me know if it works David, I could do with a diet like that also!!
;o)

HAGW!!

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I've read a lot online about how much protein you need per kg of body
weight... but what isn't clear to me is whether protein is your

body's

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*only* fuel to build muscle. Are carbs and fat ever used to build
muscle, too? I'm wondering whether all the muscle growth that happens
to me will come from the amount of protein I take in...

Interesting!

The only real point to consider is that excess protein is stored in
your body as fat.

A protein shake is supposedly scientifically unnecessary, but
nevertheless a convenient way of consuming an extra meal for more
calories. Also, consider that recover takes place over several days so
that your body's need for protein takes place over a long duration. So,
the notion that protein supplements should be taken over a long period
of time might actually be true, even if not proven in peer reviewed
journals and other such science B/S.

Certainly carbohydrates should also be emphasis as they provide the
energy that will take you through a workout. Without training to
failure that is made possible by carbohydrates consumed prior to a
workout, in theory, there wont be any muscle growth either, and thus no
need for extra protein.

WillBrink said:

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Certainly carbohydrates should also be emphasis as they provide the
energy that will take you through a workout. Without training to
failure

Failure, now that's a word you are used to hearing...

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that is made possible by carbohydrates consumed prior to a
workout, in theory, there wont be any muscle growth either, and

thus no

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need for extra protein.

By the way, training to failure or high intensity workouts are not
recommended for the older beginner or for the elderly. Working to
failure raises your heart rate to dangerously high levels. If any older
person actually did try to train to failure on a single set or two,
they could easily end up with a deadly heart attack.

The safe solution is multiple sets of medium weight with a more gradual
and longer duration taken to increase muscle mass.

Just thought that you might want to know, Dumb [censored]!

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Either you believe in avoiding exceeding your maximum heart rate or you
don't.
And, anybody who has actually bothered to monitor their heart rate has
observered that during training to failure that their rate shoots way
up to pass the maximum heart rate.

Can you tell me what maximum heart rate actually is?

It sounds like it ought to be the maximum rate at which your heart can
operate and obviously you con't want to exceed that cos something
would happen. Either you can't and you heart stays at the maximum, or
you can and you have a new maximum heart rate, or some other event
(presumably death) would cause it to go lower (in that case zero)

Ray

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mr-Natural-Health said:

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As a matter of interest - how often does this ( death) actually

happen

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? both During the exercise and immediately after that is.
I am not referring to anything sexual - so there.

Either you believe in the value of monitoring your heart rate or you
don't.

But that's not what he asked you stupid, now is it?

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

"William Brink is a contributing consultant, columnist, and writer for
various health, bodybuilding, and medical publications. He is a
well-known trainer who has worked with many high-level athletes ranging
from professional bodybuilders, Pro golfers, and fitness contestants to
Olympic hammer throwers."

Ha, ... Hah, Ha! That puts Brink in the idiot zone for posting on
these ngs.

Tell me, Brink with the 2 inch [censored], why does my web site have a better
Alexia rating than your site has? A score of 228,791 is pretty sad
compared to my score of 119,132.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

And, why does the girlie man, Brink with the 2 inch [censored], have big buns
of steel?

Tell us, so we all can have another good laught at your expense.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mr-Natural-Health said:

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As a matter of interest - how often does this ( death) actually

happen

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? both During the exercise and immediately after that is.
I am not referring to anything sexual - so there.

Either you believe in the value of monitoring your heart rate or you
don't.

I do. Others don't. In fact: Some believe that perceived exertion
(PE) is a much better gage of, well, exertion, than heart rate. I
would note that the "OwnCal" calibration procedure for my Polar M32
involves PE.

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Either you believe in avoiding exceeding your maximum heart rate or you
don't.

Um... *cough* if one exceeds their MHR, then what they thought was
their MHR wasn't.

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And, anybody who has actually bothered to monitor their heart rate has
observered that during training to failure that their rate shoots way
up to pass the maximum heart rate.

It does, does it? Funny, I wear an HRM during strength training. I
often train to temporary muscle failure. Sometimes even refusing to
believe I can't complete that _one_ _last_ _rep_ (and failing). My
HR rarely goes to even what it does when I do aerobic HIIT.

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It really shouldn't be all that hard
to imagine that all that straining really stresses out the heart.

No, it isn't.

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The
older you are, or the more out of aerobic shape that you are, the more
danagerous the situation is.

Likewise obvious.

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But of course, few people can actually
push themselves that hard, ...

[snip]

Nonsense. Years ago, following what turned out to most likely be a
panic attack, which I had thought to possibly be a mild heart attack,
I went for a doctor-ordered stress test--just to be safe. They
flipped out at the clinic and quickly halted the test after I'd been
on the treadmill for only a short while, because my BP had shot up to
stroke range. I hadn't even been breathing hard yet. When I told
them I usually work harder than that walking up the hill to the other
building at work, they replied "Then don't do that until you get your
BP under control. It could kill you."

--
Jim Seymour | "It is wrong always, everywhere and
WARNING: The "From:" address is a | for everyone to believe anything upon
spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
[email hidden] | - W. K. Clifford, ca. 1876

In article <[email hidden]>,

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Still instead of what 'might happen' - does anyone know the actual
facts of death while lifting weights when you are old?

I have a vested interest as I've been doing weights for three years and
am age 70.

Driving to the gym is more dangerous than exercising there.

Seth
--
Who cares? Shut up and lift. -- Watson (the pencil neck) Davis

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I've read a lot online about how much protein you need per kg of body
weight... but what isn't clear to me is whether protein is your body's
*only* fuel to build muscle. Are carbs and fat ever used to build
muscle, too? I'm wondering whether all the muscle growth that happens
to me will come from the amount of protein I take in...

All three are needed to set up anabolism. Carbs and fat
are used for energy in the process, carbs are needed to
cause certain parts of the process to proceed, and carbs,
fat, and protein are all three used to form structures
within the cell.

There are definite advantages to increasing your protein
intake well beyond the RDA (which is about 0.4 grams per
pound of bodyweight), though there are diminishing returns
on increasing your protein intake beyond 1 g/lb, although
the slope is still positive well above 2 grams.

When gaining, I aim for about 1 g/lb of protein, about
1.5 g/lb of carbs, and the rest of my calories from fat,
with my calorie goal being about 115% of my daily calorie
output. I'm gaining between 0.5 and 1.0 lb of lean body
mass per week, if my bodyfat measurements can be trusted.

--Blair
"Ran out of qualifiers."

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Mr-Natural-Health" <[email hidden]> writes:
[snip]

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In other words, the 53 year old male who works out only twice a month
but wrongly believes that they should train to failure is at risk.

[snip]

Except that's not quite what you originally asserted, was it? Let us
review, shall we?

In Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
on 21 May 2005 17:38:50 -0700, you asserted:
| By the way, training to failure or high intensity workouts are not
| recommended for the older beginner or for the elderly. Working to
| failure raises your heart rate to dangerously high levels. If any older
| person actually did try to train to failure on a single set or two,
| they could easily end up with a deadly heart attack.

The only similarity between what you now assert and that original
assertion is, originally, you made passing mention of "beginner."

--
Jim Seymour | "It is wrong always, everywhere and
WARNING: The "From:" address is a | for everyone to believe anything upon
spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
[email hidden] | - W. K. Clifford, ca. 1876

Runs With Knives said:

Except that's not quite what you originally asserted, was it? Let us
review, shall we?

Let us review just how unable you are to read. Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

It was exactly what I originally asserted numb nuts! Go kill yourself
and see if I care, [censored] Brain.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Runs With Knives said:

Except that's not quite what you originally asserted, was it? Let us
review, shall we?

Let us review just how unable you are to read. Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

It was exactly what I originally asserted numb nuts!

Nice example of how not to win a debate and to prove ones self a
moron, all in one fell swoop.

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Go kill yourself
and see if I care, [censored] Brain.

Mr-Natural-Health, you present a somewhat deranged persona, IMO. One
is inclined to speculate as to the possible benefits that might accrue
from a visit to Mr-Mental-Health.

--
Jim Seymour | "It is wrong always, everywhere and
WARNING: The "From:" address is a | for everyone to believe anything upon
spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
[email hidden] | - W. K. Clifford, ca. 1876

(Runs With Knives) said:

Mr-Natural-Health, you present a somewhat deranged persona, IMO. One
is inclined to speculate as to the possible benefits that might accrue
from a visit to Mr-Mental-Health.

You just now noticed this?
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

Runs With Knives said:

Nice example of how not to win a debate and to prove ones self a
moron, all in one fell swoop.

I have found enough source material to write an intellegent web page on
the subject. And, I will. 🙂

Bye, [censored]!

<snipsnipsnip>

Are you actually citing Men's Health and CNN? That is so punk.

"WillBrink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:WillBrink*NOSPAM*-> Reall? How so? The best you can , > Exercise
perhaps? Try it some time.

Exercise? This is heresy in SMN. It's much easier to blame milk, iron or
shape of the moon. You must follow our resident quack TC that claims
exercise does nothing for weight control and general health. He does not
lose weight when he burns off more calories then he inputs. He has other
mysterious forces controlling his body. Of course the few million people
out there doing exercise weigh less and in great condition are
exceptions.

-DF

Mr-Natural-Health said:

WillBrink said:

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Ha, ... Hah, Ha! That puts Brink in the idiot zone for posting on
these ngs.

Reall? How so? The best you can do it cut and paste from my site then

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make some random comment that makes no sense?

How does [censored] length = web traffic? Please explain.

You should know!

Both MFW and Brink are in the [censored] Zone.

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

You take your crayons and run along..
Now there's a good lad.