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  1. So I'm sitting in a car getting gas early last Saturday on our way
    from NYC to Washington, and I see a bike ride into the station and
    stop at the convenience store. The bike has some sort of platform
    grafted onto the back filled with various things, one of which is a
    propane can.

    I think it was propane. It's one of those tanks for the gas barbeque.
    And I'm thinking that perhaps it isn't the best of ideas to ride
    around with a tank of gas on the back of your bike. On the other hand,
    if someone plows into him, they do get what they deserve.

    Maybe riding around with an empty tank on the back of the bike will
    ward off folks passing too closely?

  2. dgk said:

    I think it was propane. It's one of those tanks for the gas barbeque.
    And I'm thinking that perhaps it isn't the best of ideas to ride
    around with a tank of gas on the back of your bike. On the other hand,
    if someone plows into him, they do get what they deserve.

    How else do I refill my tank? I can't take it in a taxi (even a
    propane fueled one) or on a city bus, and it's about 5 km to the
    nearest refilling place now.

    Maybe I should just get a natural gas bbq.

  3. "dgk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    So I'm sitting in a car getting gas early last Saturday on our way
    from NYC to Washington, and I see a bike ride into the station and
    stop at the convenience store. The bike has some sort of platform
    grafted onto the back filled with various things, one of which is a
    propane can.

    I think it was propane. It's one of those tanks for the gas barbeque.
    And I'm thinking that perhaps it isn't the best of ideas to ride
    around with a tank of gas on the back of your bike. On the other hand,
    if someone plows into him, they do get what they deserve.

    Maybe riding around with an empty tank on the back of the bike will
    ward off folks passing too closely?

    I do this all the time. Got a newsflash for you. That Propane Tank can
    take a harder hit and still keep on ticking than you or your bike can. If
    you get nailed hard enough to explode the tank you won't be around anyway
    due to the instant death from the impact. Okay, you will be poast toasties
    as well but I don't think you will mind after that.

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  4. On Feb 7, 7:03 am, dgk <[email hidden]> wrote:
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    Quoted message said:

    I think it was propane. It's one of those tanks for the gas barbeque.
    And I'm thinking that perhaps it isn't the best of ideas to ride
    around with a tank of gas on the back of your bike. On the other hand,
    if someone plows into him, they do get what they deserve.


    <deleted>

    Unless it is welded onto the rack, it will probably be ejected and
    land away from the bicycle and car. Unlikely to be penetrated, and if
    it is, it is not in an enclosed area where it could mix with air to an
    explosive concentration.

  5. Brian Huntley said:
    dgk said:

    I think it was propane. It's one of those tanks for the gas barbeque.
    And I'm thinking that perhaps it isn't the best of ideas to ride
    around with a tank of gas on the back of your bike. On the other hand,
    if someone plows into him, they do get what they deserve.

    How else do I refill my tank? I can't take it in a taxi (even a
    propane fueled one) or on a city bus, and it's about 5 km to the
    nearest refilling place now.

    Maybe I should just get a natural gas bbq.

    Ah, that's what I get from living in the big city with a car. Thank
    you for setting me straight. It still looks weird but I can't see
    another way to do it.

  6. Mike A Schwab said:

    Unless it is welded onto the rack, it will probably be ejected and
    land away from the bicycle and car. Unlikely to be penetrated, and if
    it is, it is not in an enclosed area where it could mix with air to an
    explosive concentration.

    LP Gas (usually a mix of propane and butane) does not need to be in an
    enclosed space to reach explosive concentrations. Since it is heavier
    than air, it can settle into a gully, ditch, storm drain, etc. and
    wait for an opportunity to react. =8-O

    OTOH, it would have to be dead calm - a light breeze would probably be
    ebough to dissipate it.

    Austin

  7. On 7 Feb 2007 12:14:53 -0800, "AustinMN" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Mike A Schwab said:

    Unless it is welded onto the rack, it will probably be ejected and
    land away from the bicycle and car. Unlikely to be penetrated, and if
    it is, it is not in an enclosed area where it could mix with air to an
    explosive concentration.

    LP Gas (usually a mix of propane and butane) does not need to be in an
    enclosed space to reach explosive concentrations. Since it is heavier
    than air, it can settle into a gully, ditch, storm drain, etc. and
    wait for an opportunity to react. =8-O

    OTOH, it would have to be dead calm - a light breeze would probably be
    ebough to dissipate it.

    Austin

    I store my extra tank under my deck. I guess it's fairly safe there
    since even if it leaks it's open on all sides. I do get nervous when I
    have to take it for a replacement. They don't refill them in NY, you
    exchange your tank for another one. Everyone hates giving up their
    nice new tank for an older one.

  8. Let's take an epidemiological approach. How many examples are there of fuel
    tanks exploding due to an impact? Can't remember any? QED.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    dgk said:

    So I'm sitting in a car getting gas early last Saturday on our way
    from NYC to Washington, and I see a bike ride into the station and
    stop at the convenience store. The bike has some sort of platform
    grafted onto the back filled with various things, one of which is a
    propane can.

    Maybe it was an XtraCycle rig?
    http://www.xtracycle.com/sub.php

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    Above address is just a spam midden.
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  10. Daryl Hunt said:

    "dgk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    So I'm sitting in a car getting gas early last Saturday on our way
    from NYC to Washington, and I see a bike ride into the station and
    stop at the convenience store. The bike has some sort of platform
    grafted onto the back filled with various things, one of which is a
    propane can.


    I do this all the time. Got a newsflash for you. That Propane Tank
    can take a harder hit and still keep on ticking than you or your bike
    can. If you get nailed hard enough to explode the tank you won't be
    around anyway due to the instant death from the impact. Okay, you
    will be poast toasties as well but I don't think you will mind after
    that.


    When I was in India last December, I saw bicyclists carrying cans of fuel
    all the time. Daryl's most likely right.

  11. Leo Lichtman said:

    Let's take an epidemiological approach. How many examples are there of fuel
    tanks exploding due to an impact? Can't remember any? QED.

    I can remember one fatal, (although death was probably due to
    collision, not fire) with a motorhome. The article did not make it
    clear whether it was a punctured tank or a damaged line (speculating,
    but I'd bet on the line, not the tank), but it was definitely a
    propane explosion folowing a *major* collision.

    Austin

  12. On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:15:35 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    dgk said:

    So I'm sitting in a car getting gas early last Saturday on our way
    from NYC to Washington, and I see a bike ride into the station and
    stop at the convenience store. The bike has some sort of platform
    grafted onto the back filled with various things, one of which is a
    propane can.

    Maybe it was an XtraCycle rig?
    http://www.xtracycle.com/sub.php

    cheers,
    Tom

    Ha, I love it. A Sport Utility Bicycle. No, it was clearly homemade; a
    platform of some kind.

  13. dgk said:

    So I'm sitting in a car getting gas early last Saturday on our way
    from NYC to Washington, and I see a bike ride into the station and
    stop at the convenience store. The bike has some sort of platform
    grafted onto the back filled with various things, one of which is a
    propane can.

    I think it was propane. It's one of those tanks for the gas barbeque.
    And I'm thinking that perhaps it isn't the best of ideas to ride
    around with a tank of gas on the back of your bike. On the other hand,
    if someone plows into him, they do get what they deserve.

    Maybe riding around with an empty tank on the back of the bike will
    ward off folks passing too closely?

    I don't see your point? If i worried about what would happen if someone
    crashed into me, I would never get on the bike! if it is carried in a
    way which doesnt interfere with the operation of the bike, I dont see
    any problem.

    Did you see that worlds worst driver thing where the idiot car driver
    ran out room IN the car, so he loaded stuff under the hood? It caught
    fire 'cause there was material in there, the look on the fireman's face
    when he pulled out the LP can was priceless!

  14. me said:
    dgk said:

    So I'm sitting in a car getting gas early last Saturday on our way
    from NYC to Washington, and I see a bike ride into the station and
    stop at the convenience store. The bike has some sort of platform
    grafted onto the back filled with various things, one of which is a
    propane can.

    I think it was propane. It's one of those tanks for the gas barbeque.
    And I'm thinking that perhaps it isn't the best of ideas to ride
    around with a tank of gas on the back of your bike. On the other hand,
    if someone plows into him, they do get what they deserve.

    Maybe riding around with an empty tank on the back of the bike will
    ward off folks passing too closely?

    I don't see your point? If i worried about what would happen if someone
    crashed into me, I would never get on the bike! if it is carried in a
    way which doesnt interfere with the operation of the bike, I dont see
    any problem.

    Did you see that worlds worst driver thing where the idiot car driver
    ran out room IN the car, so he loaded stuff under the hood? It caught
    fire 'cause there was material in there, the look on the fireman's face
    when he pulled out the LP can was priceless!

    No, that's pretty funny. But I've had all sorts of stuff fall off a
    bike. If it's a propane tank I'd be more concerned than for a bag of
    oranges.

  15. I carry my acetylene tank on my bike when I need more for brazing -- not
    safe to carry acetylene tanks inside an enclosed vehicle, and I don't
    own a pickup truck, so I stand it up in a grocery-bag pannier on the
    left rear. Never had any trouble with it.

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    <http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
    Braze your own bicycle frames. See
    <http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html>

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