Proof that Mark Thorson is LYING

Jan said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please
note how the groups suddenly got changed. Proving Mark
Thorson is a LIAR. My post did not appear on sci
environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere except MHA.

And needs help.

Jan

Jan, the data you posted PROVES that I am right. Message 3
in this collection is a message YOU posted that was
crossposted to three newsgroups. Message 4 is my response to
your Message 3, in which I retained the newsgroups you used.
These three newsgroups appear to have been inherited from a
posting Ilena made (originally also including
sci.environment, but in Ian St. John's followup, that
newsgroup was deftly excised).

Just read the headers, the header format is defined right
here: faqs.orgrfc850.htmlOpen ↗
Mr. Bohlman will be delighted to answer any questions you
may have about what all these bits of information mean.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From: Eric Gisin ([email hidden]) Subject: Re:
Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant

This is a serious question. Ilena, don't you have any
friends?

~~~~~~~~~~~

Bunches ... just got this from a former support leader
who spent years of her life exposing the dangers of
silicone ...

Thanks for asking.

The archives are filled with supportive letters ... right
now the flacks are just drowning them out for their self
interests.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Sent : Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:28 PM To : "ilena
rose" <[email hidden]> Subject : Re: M ...

3.162.45]) by mc2-f30.hotmail.com with Microsoft
SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 15 Apr 2004
16:00:50 -0700

Ilena, You always say the nicest things. The truth is,
I could never have put up with the [censored] that you do.
All that [censored] would have finished me off. The women
have a lot to thank you for. You are the true hero in
this issue.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Quoted message said:

Subject: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast
Implant Community Path: lobby!ngtf-
m01.news.aol.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!feed1.newsreader.c-
om!news

reader.com!news-
spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xi
t-04!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-
01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not- for-mail

Quoted message said:

From: Ilena Rose [email hidden] Newsgroups:
alt.support.cancer.breast, sci.environment,
misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant Date:
Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:09:42 -0500 Organization: Humantics
Foundation Message-ID:
<[email hidden]> X-
Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.646 MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-
Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: [email hidden]
Lines: 41 Xref: lobby alt.support.cancer.breast:46873
sci.environment:417486 misc.health.alternative:424372 alt.support.breast-
implant:92541

message 2

"Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

From: Eric Gisin ([email hidden]) Subject: Re:
Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant

This is a serious question.

There are serious [censored] and there are comical [censored].
The only thing they have in common is the [censored] they
excrete.

Off topic and trolling. Take it off of sci.environment.

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast
Implant Community Path: lobby!ngtf-
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lobal.co
m.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ian St. John"
[email hidden] Newsgroups:
alt.support.cancer.breast, sci.environment,
misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant Followup-
To:ancer.breast,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-
implant References:
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news20.bellglobal.com 1082125567 65.95.58.46 (Fri, 16
Apr 2004
10:26:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:26:07
EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Xref: lobby
alt.support.cancer.breast:46879
sci.environment:417531
misc.health.alternative:424402 alt.support.breast-
implant:92572

Message 3

Quoted message said:

From: "Ian St. John"

Quoted message said:

There are serious [censored] and there are comical
[censored]. The only thing they have in common is the [censored]
they excrete.

I suggest you buzz off, we don't need this kind of trash
here, we have more than enuff.

Jan

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast
Implant Community Path: lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-
for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: [email hidden] From:
[email hidden] (Jan) Newsgroups:
alt.support.cancer.breast, misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-
implant Date: 17 Apr 2004 00:46:52 GMT References:
<[email hidden]>
Organization: AOL aol.comaol.comOpen ↗ Message-ID: <20040416204652.27862.00000016@mb-
m04.aol.com> Xref: lobby alt.support.cancer.breast:46886
misc.health.alternative:424464 alt.support.breast-
implant:92642

Message 4

Jan said:

I suggest you buzz off, we don't need this kind of trash
here, we have more than enuff.

Jan

Trash? Like what kind of trash? Your kind?

------- begin examples of Jan's hatred and bigotry -------

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:google.com/groups?selm=20020505002125.00763.00008303%40mb-
bg.aol.com

What's the big deal? Calling you a jew boy was exactly
because you are a jew. The same as you calling me a
methodist or baptist girl. It doesn't even come close
to all the names you have called and your constant
trash talk.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:google.com/groups?selm=20020504003536.28298.00007240%40mb-
fe.aol.com

Little do you know anything about the *10 Commandments*
Jew Boy.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:google.com/groups?selm=20040303001549.02894.00000796%40mb-
m15.a ol.com

I think you [censored] experience has screwed up your brain.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:google.com/groups?selm=20031117003007.12215.00000318%40mb-
m25.a ol.com

In your queer mind. In fact NOTHING you said was true.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:google.com/groups?selm=20031112010030.13980.00000058%40mb-
m15.a ol.com

Killfile them both is the only answer. They are both quite
*queer*.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:google.com/groups?selm=20030322221641.09630.00000041%40mb-
mf.aol.com

How sad. And STUPID. And QUEER.

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast
Implant Community Message-ID:
<[email hidden]> From: Mark Thorson
[email hidden] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I)
X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups:
alt.support.cancer.breast, misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-
implant References:
<[email hidden]> <20040416204652.27862.00000016@mb-
m04.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 58 Date: Sat, 17
Apr 2004 00:49:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.148.113.151
X-Complaints-To: [email hidden] X-Trace:
typhoon.sonic.net 1082162973 209.148.113.151 (Fri, 16
Apr 2004
17:49:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:49:33
PDT Path: lobby!ngtf-
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er.com!newsr eader.com!news2.telebyte.nl!nntp.xusen-
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mail Xref: lobby alt.support.cancer.breast:46887
misc.health.alternative:424466 alt.support.breast-
implant:92645

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please
note how the groups suddenly got changed. Proving Mark
Thorson is a LIAR. My post did not appear on sci
environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere except MHA.

Quoted message said:

Message 3

Quoted message said:

From: "Ian St. John"

Quoted message said:

There are serious [censored] and there are comical [censored].
The only thing they have in common is the [censored] they
excrete.

I suggest you buzz off, we don't need this kind of trash
here, we have more than enuff.

Jan

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to
Breast Implant Community Path: lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!audrey-
m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin:
[email hidden] From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast,
misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant

These are the headers of *your* post. You posted it to the
*three* groups named on the above line.

Quoted message said:

Date: 17 Apr 2004 00:46:52 GMT References:
<[email hidden]>
Organization: AOL aol.comaol.comOpen ↗ Message-ID: <20040416204652.27862.00000016@mb-
m04.aol.com>

Keep that message-ID in mind.

Quoted message said:

Xref: lobby alt.support.cancer.breast:46886
misc.health.alternative:424464 alt.support.breast-
implant:92642

Quoted message said:

Message 4

Jan said:

I suggest you buzz off, we don't need this kind of trash
here, we have more than enuff.

Jan

Trash? Like what kind of trash? Your kind?

------- begin examples of Jan's hatred and bigotry -------

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:google.com/groups?selm=20020505002125.00763.00008303%40mb-
bg .aol.com

What's the big deal? Calling you a jew boy was exactly
because you are a jew. The same as you calling me a
methodist or baptist girl. It doesn't even come close
to all the names you have called and your constant
trash talk.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:google.com/groups?selm=20020504003536.28298.00007240%40mb-
fe .aol.com

Little do you know anything about the *10 Commandments*
Jew Boy.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:google.com/groups?selm=20040303001549.02894.00000796%40mb-
m1
5.a ol.com

I think you [censored] experience has screwed up your brain.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:google.com/groups?selm=20031117003007.12215.00000318%40mb-
m2
5.a ol.com

In your queer mind. In fact NOTHING you said was true.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:google.com/groups?selm=20031112010030.13980.00000058%40mb-
m1
5.a ol.com

Killfile them both is the only answer. They are both quite
*queer*.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:google.com/groups?selm=20030322221641.09630.00000041%40mb-
mf .aol.com

How sad. And STUPID. And QUEER.

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast
Implant Community Message-ID:
<[email hidden]> From: Mark Thorson
[email hidden] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-
Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups:
alt.support.cancer.breast, misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-
implant References:
<[email hidden]> <20040416204652.27862.00000016@mb-
m04.aol.com>

And here we are in the headers of Mark's post. Remember that
message-ID from your post? Here it is sitting in the
References line of Mark's post. That means that Mark posted
it as a followup to your post. And if you look a couple
lines above, you will see that the Newsgroups line of his
post is *identical* to the newsgroups line of your post.

Quoted message said:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-
Encoding: 7bit Lines: 58 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:49:33
GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.148.113.151 X-Complaints-To:
[email hidden] X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1082162973
209.148.113.151 (Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:49:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:49:33 PDT Path: lobby!ngtf-
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n.s onic.net!not-for-mail Xref: lobby
alt.support.cancer.breast:46887
misc.health.alternative:424466 alt.support.breast-
implant:92645

At this point, Jan, you are either lying or
delusional. The headers that *you yourself* posted
demonstrate *conclusively* that Mark did not change
the list of newsgroups the post went to. There is no
room for doubt here.

In a previous post in this thread, I gave you the benefit of
the doubt. I was mistaken. This post of yours plainly
demonstrates that you do have at least a superficial
understanding of the header structure of Usenet posts. I
previously advised you to withdraw your complaint to
sonic.net on the grounds that it was based on a
misunderstanding. Now I advise you to withdraw it and to
state to sonic.net that you made a complaint that you knew
was false in order to shut up a poster you disagreed with.

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please
note how the

groups

Quoted message said:

suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My
post did not

appear on

Quoted message said:

sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere
except MHA.

[snip] You crossposted to 3 newsgroups. Your AOL newsreader
obeyed Ian's "followup to" command and sent it to 3
newsgroups omitting sci.environment per Ian's "followup to"
command. I think you owe Mark T an apology.

....waiting until Hell freezes over for that one!

Quoted message said:

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please
note how the

groups

Quoted message said:

suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My
post did not

appear on

Quoted message said:

sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere
except MHA.

[snip] You crossposted to 3 newsgroups. Your AOL newsreader
obeyed Ian's "followup to" command and sent it to 3
newsgroups omitting sci.environment per Ian's "followup to"
command. I think you owe Mark T an apology.

I think we should all report Jan to her ISP, AOL with a copy
of the post by Eric Bohlman. It proves not only what
happened, but also Jan's very malicious intentions. Everyone
should report every instance of this and should do so for
each Newsgroup the posts appeared in along with a CC to Jan
at her email address, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

....waiting until Hell freezes over for that one!

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: AOL and crossposting
From: [email hidden] (Sweet Ilsa9)
Date: 4/17/2004 4:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I think we should all report Jan to her ISP, AOL with a
copy of the post by Eric Bohlman. It proves not only what
happened, but also Jan's very malicious intentions.
Everyone should report every instance of this and should do
so for each Newsgroup the posts appeared in along with a CC
to Jan at her email address, [email hidden]

then you ALSO get a private email from Janny....who cannot
stand it when one of the "gang" invades her private box....

too bad

hawki.....

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Proof that Mark Thorson is LYING
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 4/17/2004 1:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in news:20040417173047.19251.00000031@mb-
m07.aol.com:

Quoted message said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please
note how the groups suddenly got changed. Proving Mark
Thorson is a LIAR. My post did not appear on sci
environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere except MHA.

Quoted message said:

Message 3

Message one and two comes before 3.

From: Eric Gisin ([email hidden])

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to
Breast Implant

This is a serious question. Ilena, don't you have any
friends?

~~~~~~~~~~~

Bunches ... just got this from a former support leader
who spent years of her life exposing the dangers of
silicone ...

Thanks for asking.

The archives are filled with supportive letters ... right
now the flacks are just drowning them out for their self
interests.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Sent : Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:28 PM To : "ilena rose"
<[email hidden]> Subject : Re: M ...

3.162.45]) by mc2-f30.hotmail.com with Microsoft
SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:00:50
-0700

Ilena, You always say the nicest things. The truth is,
I could never have put up with the [censored] that you do.
All that [censored] would have finished me off. The women
have a lot to thank you for. You are the true hero in
this issue.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Quoted message said:

Subject: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast
Implant Community Path: lobby!ngtf-
m01.news.aol.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!feed1.newsreader-
.com!news

reader.com!news-
spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xi
t-04!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-
01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not- for-mail

Quoted message said:

From: Ilena Rose [email hidden] Newsgroups:
alt.support.cancer.breast, sci.environment,
misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant Date:
Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:09:42 -0500 Organization: Humantics
Foundation Message-ID:
<[email hidden]> X-Newsreader:
Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.646 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit X-Complaints-To: [email hidden] Lines: 41 Xref:
lobby alt.support.cancer.breast:46873
sci.environment:417486 misc.health.alternative:424372 alt.support.breast-
implant:92541

message 2

"Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

From: Eric Gisin ([email hidden]) Subject: Re:
Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant

This is a serious question.

There are serious [censored] and there are comical [censored].
The only thing they have in common is the [censored] they excrete.

Off topic and trolling. Take it off of sci.environment.

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast
Implant Community Path: lobby!ngtf-
m01.news.aol.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!feed2.newsreader.com!n-
ewsr eader.com!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!b-
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com!cyclone.bc.net!news.uunet.ca!nf3 .bellglobal.com!nf1.be-
llglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.co
m.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ian St. John"
[email hidden] Newsgroups:
alt.support.cancer.breast, sci.environment,
misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant Followup-
To:ncer.breast,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-
implant References:
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X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader:
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X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1082125567 65.95.58.46
(Fri, 16 Apr 2004
10:26:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:26:07
EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Xref: lobby
alt.support.cancer.breast:46879 sci.environment:417531
misc.health.alternative:424402 alt.support.breast-
implant:92572

Now we are ready for 3.

Quoted message said:

From: "Ian St. John"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There are serious [censored] and there are comical
[censored]. The only thing they have in common is the [censored]
they excrete.

I suggest you buzz off, we don't need this kind of trash
here, we have more than enuff.

Quoted message said:

Jan

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast
Implant Community Path: lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-
for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: [email hidden] From:
[email hidden] (Jan)

Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast,
misc.health.alternative,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

alt.support.breast-implant

Quoted message said:

These are the headers of *your* post. You posted it to the
*three* groups named on the above line.

No I posted *ONLY* to MHA, if it was picked up from message
two, it would have included sci. environment

Quoted message said:

Date: 17 Apr 2004 00:46:52 GMT

Quoted message said:

References:
<[email hidden]>
Organization: AOL aol.comaol.comOpen ↗ Message-ID: <20040416204652.27862.00000016@mb-
m04.aol.com>

Quoted message said:

Keep that message-ID in mind.

OK.

Quoted message said:

Xref: lobby alt.support.cancer.breast:46886

Quoted message said:

misc.health.alternative:424464 alt.support.breast-
implant:92642

Quoted message said:

Message 4

Jan wrote:

Quoted message said:

I suggest you buzz off, we don't need this kind of trash
here, we

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have more than enuff.

Jan

Trash? Like what kind of trash? Your kind?

Quoted message said:

begin examples of Jan's hatred and bigotry -------

Quoted message said:

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:oogle.com/groups?selm=20020505002125.00763.00008303%40mb-
bg .aol.com

Quoted message said:

What's the big deal? Calling you a jew boy was

Quoted message said:

exactly because you are a jew. The same as you calling
me a methodist or baptist girl. It doesn't even come
close to all the names you have called and your constant
trash talk.

Quoted message said:

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:

Quoted message said:

oogle.com/groups?selm=20020504003536.28298.00007240%40mb-
fe .aol.com

Quoted message said:

Little do you know anything about the

Quoted message said:

*10 Commandments* Jew Boy.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:

Quoted message said:

.google.com/groups?selm=20040303001549.02894.00000796%40mb-
m1

Quoted message said:

5.a ol.com

Quoted message said:

I think you [censored] experience has screwed up your brain.

Quoted message said:

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:oogle.com/groups?selm=20031117003007.12215.00000318%40mb-
m2
5.a ol.com

Quoted message said:

In your queer mind.

Quoted message said:

In fact NOTHING you said was true.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:

Quoted message said:

.google.com/groups?selm=20031112010030.13980.00000058%40mb-
m1

Quoted message said:

5.a ol.com

Killfile them both is the only answer. They are both
quite *queer*.

Quoted message said:

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:

Quoted message said:

oogle.com/groups?selm=20030322221641.09630.00000041%40mb-
mf .aol.com

Quoted message said:

How sad.

Quoted message said:

And STUPID. And QUEER.

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to
Breast Implant

Quoted message said:

Community Message-ID: <[email hidden]> From:
Mark Thorson [email hidden] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]
(WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0

Quoted message said:

newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast,
misc.health.alternative,

Quoted message said:

alt.support.breast-implant References:
<[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

And here we are in the headers of Mark's post. Remember
that message-ID from your post?

Yes.

Quoted message said:

Here it is sitting in the References line of Mark's post.
That means that Mark posted it as a followup to your post.
And if you look a couple lines above, you will see that the
Newsgroups line of his post is *identical* to the
newsgroups line of your post.

Yes, that was never in question. What is is how the trhee
groups got in my post, as I posted *ONLY to MHA. And how did
the fourth group get deleted??

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At this point, Jan, you are either lying or delusional.

No, Eric, I am neither.

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The headers that *you yourself* posted demonstrate
*conclusively* that Mark did not change the list of
newsgroups the post went to. There is no room for
doubt here.

*I* myself ONLY posted to MHA.

Furthermore there is room for doubt, as Mark aslo send one
of my posts to alt. test and it did NOT appear on MHA, so
that LEAVES ROOM FOR DOUBT.

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In a previous post in this thread, I gave you the benefit
of the doubt. I was mistaken.

This post of yours plainly demonstrates that you do have at

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least a superficial understanding of the header structure
of Usenet posts.

I previously advised you to withdraw your complaint to
sonic.net on the

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grounds that it was based on a misunderstanding. Now I
advise you to withdraw it and to state to sonic.net that
you made a complaint that you knew was false in order to
shut up a

poster you disagreed with.

ABSOLUTELY NOT, I DID NO SUCH THING.

Now, you tell me how Mark sent my post to alt. test. and it
did NOT appear HERE where I sent it.

March 9th.

tinyurl.com39bymOpen ↗

Jan

Nana Weedkiller said:

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040417173047.19251.00000031@mb-
m07.aol.com...

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Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please
note how the

groups

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suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My
post did not

appear on

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sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere
except MHA.

Jan ... of course ...

Barrett's Teddy is wrong ... your posts did not get to
sci.environment

(altho if they had ... BRAVO!)

... the more they lose ... the more ridiculous and
desperate these cross dressers are ...

Your search - author:[email hidden]
group:sci.environment - did not match any documents.

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Subject: Re: Proof that Jan Drew is LYING
From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
Date: 4/17/2004 1:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Jan said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please
note how the

groups

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suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My
post did not

appear on

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sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere
except MHA.

And needs help.

Jan

Jan, the data you posted PROVES that I am right. Message 3
in this collection is a message YOU posted that was
crossposted to three newsgroups.

Well, it shouldn't have been. I only posted to MHA.

Message 4

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is my response to your Message 3, in which I retained the
newsgroups you used. These three newsgroups appear to have
been inherited from a posting Ilena made (originally also
including sci.environment, but in Ian St. John's followup,
that newsgroup was deftly excised).

I see the follow up, now, I failed to see it before.
Since I don't crosspost and play games of follows up, I
did not see it.

Sorry,

Jan

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

Here are the headers for the post you replied to:

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast
Implant Community Path: lobby!ngtf-
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llglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.co
m.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ian St. John"
[email hidden] Newsgroups:
alt.support.cancer.breast, sci.environment,
misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant

This line (which has been split in two by word wrapping)
lists the four newsgroups that Ian posted to.

Followup-To:rt.cancer.breast,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-
implant

This line tells any properly-functioning newsreader what
groups any followup post should go to. Note that it lists
only three of the four groups that Ian's post appeared in;
it specifically indicates that followups should *not* go to
sci.environment. Ian removed sci.environment from the
followups for reasons known only to him (I presume he felt
that the post was off-topic for that group).

References:
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Here it is sitting in the References line of Mark's post.
That means that Mark posted it as a followup to your post.
And if you look a couple lines above, you will see that
the Newsgroups line of his post is *identical* to the
newsgroups line of your post.

Yes, that was never in question. What is is how the trhee
groups got in my post, as I posted *ONLY to MHA. And how
did the fourth group get deleted??

Your newsreader simply honored the Newsgroups: and Followup-
To: lines in Ian's post. Apparently (I've never used
AOL's newsreader) it didn't inform you of the fact that
the post you were following up to was crossposted and had
followups set.

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At this point, Jan, you are either lying or delusional.

No, Eric, I am neither.

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The headers that *you yourself* posted demonstrate
*conclusively* that Mark did not change the list of
newsgroups the post went to. There is no room for
doubt here.

*I* myself ONLY posted to MHA.

Furthermore there is room for doubt, as Mark aslo send one
of my posts to alt. test and it did NOT appear on MHA, so
that LEAVES ROOM FOR DOUBT.

The headers you posted *conclusively* demonstrate that Mark
had *nothing* to do with the fact that your post was
crossposted to three of the four groups that the original
was crossposted to. In fact, they demonstrate that Mark
didn't become involved in the thread until *after* you made
your post. Unless you're prepared to allege that Mark hacked
into at least several major news servers, including Google's
archives, in order to retroactively change the distribution
of your post, you owe him an apology (and if you do choose
to accuse him of hacking, be aware that that would be an
accusation that he committed a felony, which means that if
it were untrue, it would fall into the category of libel
_per se_, which in turn means that if he were to sue you for
defamation, he'd have an easier time proving his case than
if it were ordinary libel).

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Now, you tell me how Mark sent my post to alt. test. and
it did NOT appear HERE where I sent it.

March 9th.

tinyurl.com39bymOpen ↗

He simply set the Followup-To: line of his post to alt.test,
which instructs any well-behaved newsreader to send
followups there and not here. BTW, I strongly disagree with
him having done so, given that posts to alt.test result in
automatic email responses to the original poster. That was a
cheap shot on his part. But he had absolutely *nothing* to
do with the way the post we were previously discussing was
crossposted.

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

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He simply set the Followup-To: line of his post to
alt.test, which instructs any well-behaved newsreader to
send followups there and not here.

That is certainly dishonest and should not be allowed.

It's how newsreaders have behaved for at least the last 20
years; it's unfortunate that some newsreaders try to hide
crosspost and followup behavior from their users.

What Eric Bohlman said:

It's how newsreaders have behaved for at least the last 20
years; it's unfortunate that some newsreaders try to hide
crosspost and followup behavior from their users.

What Jan Drew hears:

Blah blah blah blah blah 20 years blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah crosspost blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah.

Why do you bother trying to communicate in an educational
manner with Jan Drew? Public humiliation has so far been the
only effective tool for moderating her behavior, and
woefully inadequate in that regard.

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Proof that Jan Drew is LYING From: Mark
Thorson [email hidden] Date: 4/17/2004 1:55 PM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Jan said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers.
Please note how the

groups

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suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR.
My post did not

appear on

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sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere
except MHA.

And needs help.

Jan

Jan, the data you posted PROVES that I am right. Message
3 in this collection is a message YOU posted that was
crossposted to three newsgroups.

Well, it shouldn't have been. I only posted to MHA.

Message 4

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is my response to your Message 3, in which I retained the
newsgroups you used. These three newsgroups appear to
have been inherited from a posting Ilena made (originally
also including sci.environment, but in Ian St. John's
followup, that newsgroup was deftly excised).

I see the follow up, now, I failed to see it before.
Since I don't

crosspost

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and play games of follows up, I did not see it.

I have a question.....

In the past when Jan responds to a crossposted message, she
responded to only MHA, thus validating her claim that AOL
does not allow for crossposting. Now we see her posting a
message through AOL, and she can crosspost. Does this mean
that she is snipping out the groups? If so, why, especially
since she has no idea of which group the OP reads?

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Proof that Jan Drew is LYING From: "M.a.r.k
P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 18, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t 04-18-
[email hidden] Date: 4/18/2004 7:28 AM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040417215651.02128.00000019@mb-
m07.aol.com...

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>Subject: Re: Proof that Jan Drew is LYING From: Mark
>Thorson [email hidden] Date: 4/17/2004 1:55 PM
>Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
><[email hidden]>
>
>Jan wrote:
>
>> Here are the posts in correct order with headers.
>> Please note how

the

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Quoted message said:

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>groups
>> suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a
>> LIAR. My post did

not

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Quoted message said:

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>appear on
>> sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere
>> except MHA.
>>
>> And needs help.
>>
>> Jan
>
>Jan, the data you posted PROVES that I am right.
>Message 3 in this collection is a message YOU posted
>that was crossposted to three newsgroups.

Well, it shouldn't have been. I only posted to MHA.

Message 4
>is my response to your Message 3, in which I retained
>the newsgroups you used. These three newsgroups appear
>to have been inherited from a posting Ilena made
>(originally also including sci.environment, but in Ian
>St. John's followup, that newsgroup was deftly
>excised).

I see the follow up, now, I failed to see it before.
Since I don't

crosspost

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and play games of follows up, I did not see it.

I have a question.....

I have an answer.

The problem is now cleared up.

Your queston is pathetic, as usual.

Wrong. My question is NOT cleared up. You have claimed for
months and months that you CANNOT crosspost from AOL. Now
you can. Howver, you persist to snip out the other groups
(which is wrong, BTW, unless you are asked to do so, since
you often cannot know which group the person you are
replying to is posting from).

Jan you have been caught.

You will never concede it, as you never do.

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Proof the *gang* is LYING From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-
April 19, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t 04-19-
[email hidden] Date: 4/19/2004 5:21 AM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040418185834.10395.00000010@mb-
m16.aol.com...

Quoted message said:

>Subject: Re: Proof that Jan Drew is LYING From:
>"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 18, 2004"
>M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden] Date:
>4/18/2004 7:28 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
><[email hidden]>
>
>
>"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040417215651.02128.00000019@mb-
>m07.aol.com...
>> >Subject: Re: Proof that Jan Drew is LYING From:
>> >Mark Thorson [email hidden] Date: 4/17/2004 1:55
>> >PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
>> ><[email hidden]>
>> >
>> >Jan wrote:
>> >
>> >> Here are the posts in correct order with headers.
>> >> Please note how

the

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>> >groups
>> >> suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a
>> >> LIAR. My post did

not

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>> >appear on
>> >> sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere
>> >> except MHA.
>> >>
>> >> And needs help.
>> >>
>> >> Jan
>> >
>> >Jan, the data you posted PROVES that I am right.
>> >Message 3 in this collection is a message YOU
>> >posted that was crossposted to three newsgroups.
>>
>> Well, it shouldn't have been. I only posted to MHA.
>>
>>
>> Message 4
>> >is my response to your Message 3, in which I
>> >retained the newsgroups you used. These three
>> >newsgroups appear to have been inherited from a
>> >posting Ilena made (originally also including
>> >sci.environment, but in Ian St. John's followup,
>> >that newsgroup was deftly excised).
>>
>> I see the follow up, now, I failed to see it before.
>> Since I don't
>crosspost
>> and play games of follows up, I did not see it.
>
>I have a question.....

I have an answer.

The problem is now cleared up.

Your queston is pathetic, as usual.

Wrong. My question is NOT cleared up.

Then Learn to READ! All been covered.

No, it was not. No matter how many times you say so,
you stil lhave not respondd to the question I posed,
since I posed a generci question, not related to any
specific thread.

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Proof the *gang* is LYING From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-
April 19, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t 04-19-
[email hidden] Date: 4/20/2004 1:41 PM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040419221336.14221.00000119@mb-
m13.aol.com...

Quoted message said:

>Subject: Re: Proof the *gang* is LYING From: "M.a.r.k
>P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 19, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t 04-19-
>[email hidden] Date: 4/19/2004 5:21 AM Pacific
>Standard Time Message-id:
><[email hidden]>
>
>
>"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040418185834.10395.00000010@mb-
>m16.aol.com...
>> >Subject: Re: Proof that Jan Drew is LYING From:
>> >"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 18, 2004"
>> >M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]
>> >Date: 4/18/2004 7:28 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-
>> >id:
>> ><[email hidden]>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040417215651.02128.00000019@mb-
>> >m07.aol.com...
>> >> >Subject: Re: Proof that Jan Drew is LYING From:
>> >> >Mark Thorson [email hidden] Date: 4/17/2004
>> >> >1:55 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
>> >> ><[email hidden]>
>> >> >
>> >> >Jan wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Here are the posts in correct order with
>> >> >> headers. Please note

how

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>the
>> >> >groups
>> >> >> suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is
>> >> >> a LIAR. My post

did

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Quoted message said:

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>not
>> >> >appear on
>> >> >> sci environment. Neither did *I* post it
>> >> >> anywhere except MHA.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And needs help.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jan
>> >> >
>> >> >Jan, the data you posted PROVES that I am right.
>> >> >Message 3 in this collection is a message YOU
>> >> >posted that was crossposted to three newsgroups.
>> >>
>> >> Well, it shouldn't have been. I only posted to
>> >> MHA.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Message 4
>> >> >is my response to your Message 3, in which I
>> >> >retained the newsgroups you used. These three
>> >> >newsgroups appear to have been inherited from a
>> >> >posting Ilena made (originally also including
>> >> >sci.environment, but in Ian St. John's followup,
>> >> >that newsgroup was deftly excised).
>> >>
>> >> I see the follow up, now, I failed to see it
>> >> before. Since I

don't

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>> >crosspost
>> >> and play games of follows up, I did not see it.
>> >
>> >I have a question.....
>>
>> I have an answer.
>>
>> The problem is now cleared up.
>>
>> Your queston is pathetic, as usual.
>
>Wrong. My question is NOT cleared up.

Then Learn to READ! All been covered.

No, it was not.

That's a lie.

No, it was not. You go up thread and re-read my original
points, and then post the responses which you beleive
covered it.

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No matter how many times you say so, you stil lhave not
respondd to the question I posed, since I posed a
generci question, not related to any specific thread.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Of course you laugh. You have no answer.

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Been in touch with Andrew Langer, I see, mumbo jumbo
lobbyists tactics.

Andrew Langer, and other articulate people seem to
intimidate you.