Proof if proof be needed...

In article said:

... that helmets are not designed with safety in mind.

From the EBC website:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Spot the bit where it tells you how it'll help in an
accident. ;-)

That'll be one page up, describing helmets in general: edinburgh-edinburgh-Open ↗
bicycle.co.uk/catalogue/subcollections.cfm?ID=73 "Helmets
save lives. Fine fitting well-ventilated helmets are
cheaper than ever. Your head is priceless. Wear a helmet.
It's a no-brainer."

Jon Senior <jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

... that helmets are not designed with safety in mind.

From the EBC website:

Our latest lid incorporates the best ideas in modern
helmet technology.

- Sleek aero shape.

Less air turbulence to knock you off balance.

Quoted message said:

- Lightweight and airy - easy to wear.

Reduces top-heaviness.

Quoted message said:

- A nape-hugging retention device augments the chin strap.
This radically improves fit and ease of set up.

Hey presto, if it's easier to fit, more people will
wear them.

Quoted message said:

- Visor keeps glare and rain off your shades. Removable if
you prefer to ride peak free.

Well... if there's rain on your shades, you can't see where
you're going

Quoted message said:

One Size: 55-60cm. Colour: Black.

Ideal for being seen on a snowy winter's day

Quoted message said:

Spot the bit where it tells you how it'll help in an
accident. ;-)

Jon

Well you did ask ;-) (note the smiley)

"Jon Senior" <jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

... that helmets are not designed with safety in mind.

From the EBC website:

Our latest lid incorporates the best ideas in modern
helmet technology.

- Sleek aero shape.
- Lightweight and airy - easy to wear.
- A nape-hugging retention device augments the chin strap.
This radically improves fit and ease of set up.
- Visor keeps glare and rain off your shades. Removable if
you prefer to ride peak free.

One Size: 55-60cm. Colour: Black.

Spot the bit where it tells you how it'll help in an
accident. ;-)

The CE / BS / ANSII marking ?

I've an idea - we'll replicate the helmet test relevant for
the helmet in question - (big weight being dropped onto
helmet) I'll stand underneath in a helmet and you can stand
underneath without [1] and then we'll see who thinks whether
it *might* (not 'will' you note) help in an accident or not.

Russ

[1] alternatively we could employ hairy arsed ape type to
bang our heads against a wall/floor with and without
helmet if you don't consider the weight thing to be
terribly relevant.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Alan Braggins said:

That'll be one page up, describing helmets in general: edinburgh-edinburgh-Open ↗
bicycle.co.uk/catalogue/subcollections.cfm?ID=73 "Helmets
save lives. Fine fitting well-ventilated helmets are
cheaper than ever. Your head is priceless. Wear a helmet.
It's a no-brainer."

Is it just me, or is the choice of ``it's a no-brainer'' a
singularly peculiar choice of idiom?

ian

Russ said:

I've an idea - we'll replicate the helmet test relevant
for the helmet in question - (big weight being dropped
onto helmet)

<pedant> I thought it was big weight *in* helmet,
helmet being dropped onto BS standard anvil from some
arbitrary height.

"Zog The Undeniable" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Russ said:

I've an idea - we'll replicate the helmet test relevant
for the helmet

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

question - (big weight being dropped onto helmet)

<pedant> I thought it was big weight *in* helmet,
helmet being dropped onto BS standard anvil from some
arbitrary height.

Which would make the hairy arsed gorilla banging helmeted /
non helmeted head on ground/wall most appropriate :-)

Russ

Russ [email hidden] opined the
following...

Quoted message said:

"Jon Senior" <jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove>
wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

... that helmets are not designed with safety in mind.

From the EBC website:

Our latest lid incorporates the best ideas in modern
helmet technology.

- Sleek aero shape.
- Lightweight and airy - easy to wear.
- A nape-hugging retention device augments the chin
strap. This radically improves fit and ease of set up.
- Visor keeps glare and rain off your shades. Removable
if you prefer to ride peak free.

One Size: 55-60cm. Colour: Black.

Spot the bit where it tells you how it'll help in an
accident. ;-)

The CE / BS / ANSII marking ?

Not mentioned. My point was that the list of beneficial
aspects of the EBC lid did not actually include safety.
Apparently the "best ideas in modern helmet technology"
provide no additional protection above and beyond any
other lid.

I can't seem to find any information on what the tests
actually equate to in terms of impact speed. Does
anyone know?

Quoted message said:

I've an idea - we'll replicate the helmet test relevant
for the helmet in question - (big weight being dropped
onto helmet) I'll stand underneath in a helmet and you can
stand underneath without [1] and then we'll see who thinks
whether it *might* (not 'will' you note) help in an
accident or not.

The only times I've ever come off my bike, the first things
to hit the floor have been my hands. I don't have the
information to compare but I'm reasonably sure that allowing
my skeleton and muscle to take the shock over the 50cm
before the object reaches my head can probably do more than
2.5cm of foam.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't wear a helmet. I was
concerned that on a page about their own brand helmet, not
one mention was made to safety. It didn't even list which of
the various standards it was manufactured to. The only
points on which it is being sold are aesthetic.

Calm down lad... calm down.

Jon

Alan Braggins [email hidden] opined the
following...

Quoted message said:

That'll be one page up, describing helmets in general: edinburgh-edinburgh-Open ↗
bicycle.co.uk/catalogue/subcollections.cfm?ID=73 "Helmets
save lives. Fine fitting well-ventilated helmets are
cheaper than ever. Your head is priceless. Wear a helmet.
It's a no-brainer."

1) Go to www.edinburgh-bicycle.co.uk.
2) Click on the picture of the helmet on the front page.
3) Click on the next picture of the helmet with the tagline.
4) Read the stuff I quoted.
5) Post back and show me where in that sequence of events a
safety standard, or even safety in general was mentioned.

:-p

Jon

Jon Senior posted ...

Quoted message said:

I'm not saying that you shouldn't wear a helmet. I was
concerned that on a page about their own brand helmet, not
one mention was made to safety. It didn't even list which
of the various standards it was manufactured to. The only
points on which it is being sold are aesthetic.

But the site did list widely accepted benefits of helmet
wearing, in a different section, that are applicable to most
helmets. All your pointing out is that this helmet has
'other' factors they wish to push/sell the product with.
Maybe they realise it offers no more security or safety so
decline to use a spurious argument.

--
Paul

(8(|) Homer rocks .. 😉

Quoted message said:

But the site did list widely accepted benefits of helmet
wearing, in a different section, that are applicable to
most helmets. All your pointing out is that this helmet
has 'other' factors they wish to push/sell the product
with. Maybe they realise it offers no more security or
safety so decline to use a spurious argument.

Firstly. As I pointed out in my other post, the links to
this product from the home page do not take you to anywhere
that mentions safety. Secondly. Since there are a plethora
of standards, it would seem a good idea to mention which of
these, the EBC lid conforms to.

Jon

Jon Senior posted ...

Quoted message said:

Firstly. As I pointed out in my other post, the links to
this product from the home page do not take you to
anywhere that mentions safety. Secondly. Since there are a
plethora of standards, it would seem a good idea to
mention which of these, the EBC lid conforms to.

Why ?

They're selling helmets, not safety standards ... and most
people (in this newsgroup at least) know that helmets are
not necessarily the safest safety device on a cycle .. 😉

As most cycle helmets appear to be very similar with
regard to safety features, they appear to be selling this
one on price and 'other' features, safety doesn't
necessarily come into it.

--
Paul

(8(|) Homer rocks .. 😉