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Steve Shattuck said:

On a 85+ degree day with 90% + humidity, I easily sweat out 4 pounds of
water per hour. I drink as much as I can, using Accelerade or Powerade but
after about 3 hours, assuming I'm in the middle of a half ironman, I feel
drained. Is this possibly because I cannot replenish as much as I'm losing.
In addition to the above, I take Lava salt capsules and Enervit GT tablets.
Going through all of the above, at least I've solved my muscle cramping
issue but the energy issue is still out there.
Help me if you can.
Steve

I don't have an answer for you, but I'm curious about how you've
solved your muscle cramps. Is it the Powerade or the salt or the
Enervit or is it all of them combined? I get terrible cramps in my
legs after about 15 miles and I've never been able to figure out how
to avoid them. Thanks.

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On a 85+ degree day with 90% + humidity, I easily sweat out 4 pounds of
water per hour. I drink as much as I can, using Accelerade or Powerade but
after about 3 hours, assuming I'm in the middle of a half ironman, I feel
drained. Is this possibly because I cannot replenish as much as I'm losing.
In addition to the above, I take Lava salt capsules and Enervit GT tablets.
Going through all of the above, at least I've solved my muscle cramping
issue but the energy issue is still out there.
Help me if you can.
Steve

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On a 85+ degree day with 90% + humidity, I easily sweat out 4 pounds of
water per hour. I drink as much as I can, using Accelerade or Powerade but
after about 3 hours, assuming I'm in the middle of a half ironman, I feel
drained. Is this possibly because I cannot replenish as much as I'm losing.
In addition to the above, I take Lava salt capsules and Enervit GT tablets.
Going through all of the above, at least I've solved my muscle cramping
issue but the energy issue is still out there.
Help me if you can.
Steve

Having done 1 half iron man in the conditions you describe I can
attest to the draining power of a long endurance event.

I can't stomach energy drinks when I'm racing but I can chew down
powerbars which do me good. I'm not familiar with the tablets you
refer to. My recomendation would be to find a different source of
energy. A trainer who works with first time ironman aspirants
recomends Endurox or something like it.

I've only done 3 events that ran into the 5-6 hour range and each time
I got my energy from a solid bar rather than liquid. One event I
downed a snickers bar which helped alot.

Andy

I use a product called "Cell Food", which is a water additive that
allows for better absorption of water by your body. For energy I use
pumpkin seed oil capsules, ( 1 per mile). I also add "Endurlyte" from
Genestra to my water. Endurlyte is a vitamin sodium replacement.
Like Gatorade without the junk.
Works for me, but everyone is different.
Phil.

Steve Shattuck said:

On a 85+ degree day with 90% + humidity, I easily sweat out 4 pounds of
water per hour. I drink as much as I can, using Accelerade or Powerade but
after about 3 hours, assuming I'm in the middle of a half ironman, I feel
drained. Is this possibly because I cannot replenish as much as I'm losing.
In addition to the above, I take Lava salt capsules and Enervit GT tablets.
Going through all of the above, at least I've solved my muscle cramping
issue but the energy issue is still out there.
Help me if you can.
Steve

Quoted message said:

I use a product called "Cell Food", which is a water additive that
allows for better absorption of water by your body. For energy I use
pumpkin seed oil capsules, ( 1 per mile). I also add "Endurlyte" from
Genestra to my water. Endurlyte is a vitamin sodium replacement.
Like Gatorade without the junk.
Works for me, but everyone is different.
Phil.

Ignore him. 8 or 10 glasses of water, 3 tall gatorades (from the powdered mix,
not the liquid stuff) and you'll need nothing else, well, except for training.

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I've only done 3 events that ran into the 5-6 hour range and each time
I got my energy from a solid bar rather than liquid. One event I
downed a snickers bar which helped alot.

Andy

A good source of lasting energy can come from meal replacement drinks
such as Boost, Boost Plus, or Ensure .. there are many varieties out
there, flavors, brands, etc ... if you can find one you like, it can
be a great source of easily digestible calories that last longer than
a sugar spike ...

On 03 Aug 2004 17:23:48 GMT, [email hidden] (TheBillRodgerz)

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Ignore him. 8 or 10 glasses of water, 3 tall gatorades (from the powdered mix,
not the liquid stuff) and you'll need nothing else, well, except for training.

Not necessarily true

Yesterday I ran 5.5 miles in a leisurely 40 minutes. It was 83
degrees with about 70% humidity and when I finished I was 4 lbs
lighter and soaked to the skin to the point of my running shoes
squishing. Typical for me this time of year. So I have first hand
experience with your problem and can tell you that there is no good
solution.

When I was running marathons a few years ago I found that if I walked
through every water stop and drank 2 or 3 cups of water, took a GU
pack every other water stop, and was in good enough shape to finish in
around 3 hours then my experience was similar to what other people
describe in a marathon. If I had a bad day and was out on the course
for more than 3:20 or so then I had the same problems that you do. If
I tried to drink more water, as suggested above, then I would get sick
and toss. I simply can not process the water intake as fast as I can
sweat it out.

On an interesting note, when the weather is hot and the race is short
(5 miles or less) I have found that I can run further up in the pack
then normal and still compete. If my body has enough water stores
then it will handle the heat better than others. I also make sure
that I "splash" the other runners and I always get my choice of lines.
Gross, but effective.

Mark

Steve,
Check your hydration by the number of pit stops you
need to make. If you don't pee at least twice you
aren't drinking enough.

Low energy is a different issue. I think you need
calculate your total calorie intake. Assuming 6
hours for the event and about 250 calories per
hour you need to consume 1500 calories. That is
alot of sports drink at 135 calories per bottle.

There are several other sources for calories:
gels, bars, high calorie liquids & real food.
Experiment in training. IMHO sports drink alone
isn't enough for a 1/2 IM or longer.

Steve W.

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Quoted message said:

On a 85+ degree day with 90% + humidity, I easily sweat out 4 pounds of
water per hour. I drink as much as I can, using Accelerade or Powerade but
after about 3 hours, assuming I'm in the middle of a half ironman, I feel
drained. Is this possibly because I cannot replenish as much as I'm losing.
In addition to the above, I take Lava salt capsules and Enervit GT tablets.
Going through all of the above, at least I've solved my muscle cramping
issue but the energy issue is still out there.
Help me if you can.
Steve

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Not necessarily true

Do it for a year, and your body is trained. Taking water in a less than 1.5
hour run is not neccasary if you train yourself properly.

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Experiment in training. IMHO sports drink alone
isn't enough for a 1/2 IM or longer.

Agreed.

On 03 Aug 2004 23:34:22 GMT, [email hidden] (TheBillRodgerz)

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Not necessarily true

Do it for a year, and your body is trained. Taking water in a less than 1.5
hour run is not neccasary if you train yourself properly.

Utter [censored]!

It would appear that your lack of knowledge, combined with your
unwillingness to open your mind, and the fact that you have lost sight
of everything but the inside of your lower large intestine, is making
your comments in the tread worthless.

You can not train yourself to sweat less, and your body's ability to
process water is controlled by many factors, most of which are beyond
your control. A well trained person will begin to sweat quicker and
reach their maximum sweat rate quicker than an untrained person, but
the maximum sweat rate is different for various people and can not be
externally controlled. Think of sweating as a valve that opens to let
water flow. If my valve opens more than someone elses, but both of
our water intake capabilities are the same, I will dehydrate quicker
if we replace water at the same rate.

Yes, I can train my body to function better when I am slightly to
moderately dehydrated, but that is not what is being discussed here.
And even with training, there is a loss in performance that is
measurable.

In other words, if you are a heavy sweater you are probably screwed in
a long race in warm weather.

Mark

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Utter [censored]!

Yes, your comments are. What are you, like 13 years old? You must be a complete
idiot to believe your [censored]. I run 9 miles a day. What qualifications do you
bring to the table moron?

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in the tread worthless.

At least I can spell thread you idiot.

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You can not train yourself to sweat less,

No idiot you can't, but you can train to be more efficent, and this eludes many
of todays so called "atheletes" who load up on Goos, and [censored] to make their
runs. This has opened the field up to a whole bunch of punk, wussies (like you)
who instead of training rely on gimmicks, because without them you are
incapable.

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body's ability to
process water is controlled by many factors, most of which are beyond
your control.

Certainly beyond yours, because your too ignorant to know how to properly train
for it.

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Yes, I can train my body to function better when I am slightly to
moderately dehydrated

If that's what you call efficent running, I see your problem. You are a knob
(tree stump).

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In other words, if you are a heavy sweater you are probably screwed in
a long race in warm weather.

LOLOLOL what a moron.

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And even with training, there is a loss in performance that is
measurable.

In your mind, possibly. But since you've never trained properly, and have no
clue as to how to do it, you couldn't possibly know.

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if you are a heavy sweater

Yeah, I'm a cardigan.

"Steve Shattuck" <[email hidden]> wrote

First off, you are not alone, and yes, you can learn to deal with it. I run
ultras lasting from 5 to 8 hours, and it took me quite a while to get my
salt and hydration right.

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On a 85+ degree day with 90% + humidity, I easily sweat out 4 pounds of
water per hour.

Some of that loss is glycogen consumption, which is ok.

Just curious--what's your BMI? (http://www.halls.md/body-mass-index/av.htm)
Higher body mass people tend to sweat more.

I've emptied a 2 liter camelback (4 1/4 lbs) in a one hour climb at 95
degrees, so you are above average, but not off the scale. And I'm only 5-8
and 150 lbs.

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I drink as much as I can, using Accelerade or Powerade

Do you meter your drinking? I usually use bottles--it's easy to see how
much you're drinking. I trained myself to drink every 15 minutes (8 to 12
oz depending on the conditions). I do this even on a short 1 hour training
run. During a race, I drink like clockwork to ensure I don't get behind the
curve.

In my last race, I drank 40 oz/hour, and after 7:30 finished 5 lbs lighter
than I started. So I will drink a bit more next time if it's hot.

Salt is very important on long races: you need about a gram of sodium for
each quart you sweat. That's about 1 succeed capsule (625 mg of sodium) per
20 oz bottle you drink. If you get low on salt, your stomach won't drain
and what you drink will slosh around. Because your stomach is full, you
don't want to drink, and you dig yourself a hole. If you're sloshing, take
another capsule.

With Succeed caps, I can drink and absorb it as quickly as I sweat.

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but after about 3 hours, assuming I'm in the middle of a half ironman, I

feel

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drained.

If you're dehydrated, nothing works right -- you overheat, get nauseated,
your muscles use more glycogen, and you cramp up.

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Is this possibly because I cannot replenish as much as I'm losing.
In addition to the above, I take Lava salt capsules and Enervit GT

tablets.

1. Train yourself to drink at a high rate (eg, x ounces every 15 minutes).
2. Take 600 mg of sodium (1 Succeed cap) every 16-20 oz you drink to
promote stomach emptying.

I used to think that I could never get enough liquid in me, until I learned
about the importance of salt in in emptying the stomach. I'd drink, but
with my stomach full the last thing I wanted to do was drink more. All the
while I was becoming more and more dehydrated.

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Going through all of the above, at least I've solved my muscle cramping
issue

I found that I cramp up if I lose 5% or more of my body weight. When I
finally learned how to drink, the cramps went away.

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but the energy issue is still out there.
Help me if you can.

Most ultra guys I know consume about 300 calories per hour during
competition, mostly from drink, with gels, ensure, or other snacks thrown
in. My favorite is little pieces of pizza or mexican food. Some can eat
more and do fine; I find that digesting too much slows me down.

If you're getting your calories, and are still in the dumpster, then I'd
look at hydration, and finally at pacing. Half way through a 50 miler, I'm
tired, but I can maintain my pace to the end. The trick is to conserve your
glycogen. You need glycogen to burn fat, strange as it may sound.

-- Dan

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Just curious--what's your BMI?

Dude, why do you care what his BM's look like? I've never heard of feces being
related to running.

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On 03 Aug 2004 17:23:48 GMT, [email hidden] (TheBillRodgerz)
wrote:

When I was running marathons a few years ago I found that if I walked
through every water stop and drank 2 or 3 cups of water, took a GU
pack every other water stop, and was in good enough shape to finish in
around 3 hours then my experience was similar to what other people
describe in a marathon. If I had a bad day and was out on the course
for more than 3:20 or so then I had the same problems that you do. If
I tried to drink more water, as suggested above, then I would get sick
and toss. I simply can not process the water intake as fast as I can
sweat it out.

While everyone is different, 400 calories per hour is way over the norm
especially at marathon intensity. Eating 13 GUs in three hours, WOW!
That's a tough stomich.

Steve W.

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On 03 Aug 2004 17:23:48 GMT, [email hidden] (TheBillRodgerz)
wrote:

When I was running marathons a few years ago I found that if I walked
through every water stop and drank 2 or 3 cups of water, took a GU
pack every other water stop, and was in good enough shape to finish in
around 3 hours then my experience was similar to what other people
describe in a marathon. If I had a bad day and was out on the course
for more than 3:20 or so then I had the same problems that you do. If
I tried to drink more water, as suggested above, then I would get sick
and toss. I simply can not process the water intake as fast as I can
sweat it out.

While everyone is different, 400 calories per hour is way over the norm
especially at marathon intensity. Eating 13 GUs in three hours, WOW!
That's a tough stomich.

And a thick wallet. And a big [censored] pack. But perhaps there wasn't a water
station at every mile.

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On 03 Aug 2004 17:23:48 GMT, [email hidden] (TheBillRodgerz)
wrote:

When I was running marathons a few years ago I found that if I walked
through every water stop and drank 2 or 3 cups of water, took a GU
pack every other water stop, and was in good enough shape to finish in
around 3 hours then my experience was similar to what other people
describe in a marathon. If I had a bad day and was out on the course
for more than 3:20 or so then I had the same problems that you do. If
I tried to drink more water, as suggested above, then I would get sick
and toss. I simply can not process the water intake as fast as I can
sweat it out.

While everyone is different, 400 calories per hour is way over the norm
especially at marathon intensity. Eating 13 GUs in three hours, WOW!
That's a tough stomich.

And a thick wallet. And a big [censored] pack. But perhaps there wasn't a water
station at every mile.

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On 03 Aug 2004 17:23:48 GMT, [email hidden] (TheBillRodgerz)
wrote:

When I was running marathons a few years ago I found that if I walked
through every water stop and drank 2 or 3 cups of water, took a GU
pack every other water stop, and was in good enough shape to finish in

While everyone is different, 400 calories per hour is way over the norm
especially at marathon intensity. Eating 13 GUs in three hours, WOW!
That's a tough stomich.

And a thick wallet. And a big [censored] pack. But perhaps there wasn't a water
station at every mile.

I should have stated that in most of the marathons that I run/ran,
there were water stops every 5K, give or take, based on good places to
set them up.

I don't think I have ever seen a marathon with water stops more often
than every 2 miles.

Mark