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  1. De Bonis out of Lugano
    By Susan Westemeyer

    Gerolsteiner has withdrawn Francesco De Bonis from its line-up for
    this weekend's Gran Premio di Lugano, and will hold him out of
    competition for two weeks. The Italian is being treated with cortisone
    for a bee sting, and under the regulations of the Movement for
    Credible Cycling, he may not ride, even with a therapeutic use
    exemption.

    It's a complete and total joke. Can someone point me to another
    credible "Pro" sport where this would even be concievable?
    We'd never have a game in the NFL, or NHL for sure. The other thing
    ta's crazy is that the anti-doping crusaders find this perfectly
    rational and acceptable.
    I can see it now; "Hey Manning you got stung by a bee and took
    cortisone. You're out of the Superbowl."
    Makes sense, right?
    Bill C

  2. Bill C said:

    De Bonis out of Lugano
    By Susan Westemeyer

    Gerolsteiner has withdrawn Francesco De Bonis from its line-up for
    this weekend's Gran Premio di Lugano, and will hold him out of
    competition for two weeks. The Italian is being treated with cortisone
    for a bee sting, and under the regulations of the Movement for
    Credible Cycling, he may not ride, even with a therapeutic use
    exemption.

    It's a complete and total joke. Can someone point me to another
    credible "Pro" sport where this would even be concievable?
     We'd never have a game in the NFL, or NHL for sure. The other thing
    ta's crazy is that the anti-doping crusaders find this perfectly
    rational and acceptable.
     I can see it now; "Hey Manning you got stung by a bee and took
    cortisone. You're out of the Superbowl."
     Makes sense, right?
    Bill C

    It's the War on People, Bill.

    Like not giving the terminally ill sufficient pain meds: "We wouldn't
    want them to become addicted".
    --D-y

  3. On Feb 29, 10:41 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Bill C said:

    De Bonis out of Lugano
    By Susan Westemeyer

    Quoted message said:

    Gerolsteiner has withdrawn Francesco De Bonis from its line-up for
    this weekend's Gran Premio di Lugano, and will hold him out of
    competition for two weeks. The Italian is being treated with cortisone
    for a bee sting, and under the regulations of the Movement for
    Credible Cycling, he may not ride, even with a therapeutic use
    exemption.

    Quoted message said:

    It's a complete and total joke. Can someone point me to another
    credible "Pro" sport where this would even be concievable?
     We'd never have a game in the NFL, or NHL for sure. The other thing
    ta's crazy is that the anti-doping crusaders find this perfectly
    rational and acceptable.
     I can see it now; "Hey Manning you got stung by a bee and took
    cortisone. You're out of the Superbowl."
     Makes sense, right?
    Bill C

    It's the War on People, Bill.

    Like not giving the terminally ill sufficient pain meds: "We wouldn't
    want them to become addicted".
    --D-y- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Yeah. That's another, and actually important one. Luckily both my
    Mother and Grandmother, had an old, proudly, boots covered in [censored],
    "Polack" doctor who did take care of both of them while battling
    cancer, Paget's disease, etc...They barred him from the local hospital
    because he thought [censored] like that was BS and said so. A friend who's
    had major alcohol problems ran into another good one. He's in a last
    resort situation, and isn't drinking, because his liver had quit and
    he almost died. His doc was amazed he made it out of the hospital, got
    him cleaned up, gave him whatever meds he needed to stay clean, and
    it's worked fantastically. His Doc retired because he was sick of the
    BS. They assigned him to a new doc, but he was on vacation for a
    month, so when my friend ran out of meds, they refused to write a new
    script, until he'd seen the new Doc in three weeks. Without the meds
    he's probably dead in a week. No problem, right? He had to track down
    his old doctor, get a script, pay full non-insurance price since the
    Doc wasn't part of an approved provider anymore, because they were
    afraid of having the government come down on them for "not up to
    standards" prescriptions, and drug dealing.
    Anyway, post rant. Here's another example of the difference between
    cycling and a real Pro sport:

    http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080229/NEWS01/802290335/1002

    Quoted:

    Faulk told The Advertiser on Thursday that he immediately informed the
    Patriots of the incident and denied any drug use to coach Bill
    Belichick.

    "It was not my jacket,'' Faulk said. "As soon as I got back to Boston,
    I talked to coach Belichick. I told him that the drug test would come
    back clean. He said he believed me.''

    Brothers said that the negative drug test would keep Faulk from having
    to enter the NFL's substance abuse system. "Kevin doesn't want his
    fans to think that he's not taking responsibility for having it on his
    person," he said, "but he definitely shouldn't be having his name drug
    through the mud like is being done right now.

    What a difference , huh? No two year ban because they read his mind.
    Totally transparent, through the actual legal system, a clean test,
    and he's allowed to get on with his life.
    Gotta be all wrong, right? Can't let a little thing like a passed
    test, stand in the way of "justice". They should've just kept lab
    shopping until they got a positive. Isn't that the procedure?
    Bill C

  4. Bill C said:

    De Bonis out of Lugano
    By Susan Westemeyer

    Gerolsteiner has withdrawn Francesco De Bonis from its line-up for
    this weekend's Gran Premio di Lugano, and will hold him out of
    competition for two weeks. The Italian is being treated with cortisone
    for a bee sting, and under the regulations of the Movement for
    Credible Cycling, he may not ride, even with a therapeutic use
    exemption.

    This is ridiculous.

  5. Bill C said:

    De Bonis out of Lugano
    By Susan Westemeyer

    Gerolsteiner has withdrawn Francesco De Bonis from its line-up for
    this weekend's Gran Premio di Lugano, and will hold him out of
    competition for two weeks. The Italian is being treated with cortisone
    for a bee sting, and under the regulations of the Movement for
    Credible Cycling, he may not ride, even with a therapeutic use
    exemption.

    It's a complete and total joke. Can someone point me to another
    credible "Pro" sport where this would even be concievable?
     We'd never have a game in the NFL, or NHL for sure. The other thing
    ta's crazy is that the anti-doping crusaders find this perfectly
    rational and acceptable.
     I can see it now; "Hey Manning you got stung by a bee and took
    cortisone. You're out of the Superbowl."

    Dumbass -

    The NFL allows cortisone.

    When a player gets dinged and goes to the locker room, he's going
    there so they can shoot him up with it.

    thanks,

    K. Gringioni.

  6. Kurgan Gringioni said:
    Bill C said:

    De Bonis out of Lugano
    By Susan Westemeyer

    Gerolsteiner has withdrawn Francesco De Bonis from its line-up for
    this weekend's Gran Premio di Lugano, and will hold him out of
    competition for two weeks. The Italian is being treated with cortisone
    for a bee sting, and under the regulations of the Movement for
    Credible Cycling, he may not ride, even with a therapeutic use
    exemption.

    It's a complete and total joke. Can someone point me to another
    credible "Pro" sport where this would even be concievable?
    We'd never have a game in the NFL, or NHL for sure. The other thing
    ta's crazy is that the anti-doping crusaders find this perfectly
    rational and acceptable.
    I can see it now; "Hey Manning you got stung by a bee and took
    cortisone. You're out of the Superbowl."

    Dumbass -

    The NFL allows cortisone.

    When a player gets dinged and goes to the locker room, he's going
    there so they can shoot him up with it.

    Or pain killers. Probably the most famous example of that was Brett
    Favre's addiction to pain killers.

    Terrell Owens took too many once in what was widely reported as a
    suicide attempt. I believe he played the following Sunday.

  7. Bill C said:

    De Bonis out of Lugano
    By Susan Westemeyer

    Gerolsteiner has withdrawn Francesco De Bonis from its line-up for
    this weekend's Gran Premio di Lugano, and will hold him out of
    competition for two weeks. The Italian is being treated with cortisone
    for a bee sting, and under the regulations of the Movement for
    Credible Cycling, he may not ride, even with a therapeutic use
    exemption.

    It's a complete and total joke. Can someone point me to another
    credible "Pro" sport where this would even be concievable?
    We'd never have a game in the NFL, or NHL for sure. The other thing
    ta's crazy is that the anti-doping crusaders find this perfectly
    rational and acceptable.
    I can see it now; "Hey Manning you got stung by a bee and took
    cortisone. You're out of the Superbowl."
    Makes sense, right?
    Bill C

    dumbass,

    who care ?

  8. On Feb 29, 8:12 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Bill C said:

    De Bonis out of Lugano
    By Susan Westemeyer

    Quoted message said:

    Gerolsteiner has withdrawn Francesco De Bonis from its line-up for
    this weekend's Gran Premio di Lugano, and will hold him out of
    competition for two weeks. The Italian is being treated with cortisone
    for a bee sting, and under the regulations of the Movement for
    Credible Cycling, he may not ride, even with a therapeutic use
    exemption.

    Quoted message said:

    It's a complete and total joke. Can someone point me to another
    credible "Pro" sport where this would even be concievable?
     We'd never have a game in the NFL, or NHL for sure. The other thing
    ta's crazy is that the anti-doping crusaders find this perfectly
    rational and acceptable.
     I can see it now; "Hey Manning you got stung by a bee and took
    cortisone. You're out of the Superbowl."
     Makes sense, right?
    Bill C

    dumbass,

    who care ?- Hide quoted text -

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    [censored] of people apparently since cycling is losing boatloads of
    money, races, public goodwill, etc...since they do stupid [censored] like
    this. You actually made a good point earlier in that Pro, and amateur
    cycling, like most sports are totally different worlds, with totally
    different goals, and that the UCI is screwing the pooch trying to run
    both.
    Do you really think any fan out there thinks professional racers
    should be banned for receiving basic medical treatment of the same
    kind that they get on a routine basis? They sure don't in any other
    sports.
    Soccer types were supposedly involved in Puerto too, but you don't
    hear a peep because FIFA isn't suicidal like cycling, and they know
    the fans really don't give a [censored].
    Hopefully this finishes off the current system and they setup a real
    Pro league, for Pro's. This [censored] that making money is evil, in a Pro
    sport, is beyond moronic, and it's pretty dumb to expect someone who
    thinks that way to run a money based entertainment form, and grow it.
    It's a friggin business as Kurgan keeps pointing out, but the UCI is
    totally anti-business and seem to think they are a religion of some
    sort.
    I'm not sure that they can save cycling from going the way of the
    NHL, for about the same reasons at this point, pure stupidity from the
    people running it.
    Turn the Pro side of the sport over to a new body run by someone like
    Richard Branson.
    Bill C

  9. Bill C said:

    On Feb 29, 8:12 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Feb 29, 8:24 am, Bill C <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    De Bonis out of Lugano
    By Susan Westemeyer

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Gerolsteiner has withdrawn Francesco De Bonis from its line-up for
    this weekend's Gran Premio di Lugano, and will hold him out of
    competition for two weeks. The Italian is being treated with cortisone
    for a bee sting, and under the regulations of the Movement for
    Credible Cycling, he may not ride, even with a therapeutic use
    exemption.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's a complete and total joke. Can someone point me to another
    credible "Pro" sport where this would even be concievable?
    We'd never have a game in the NFL, or NHL for sure. The other thing
    ta's crazy is that the anti-doping crusaders find this perfectly
    rational and acceptable.
    I can see it now; "Hey Manning you got stung by a bee and took
    cortisone. You're out of the Superbowl."
    Makes sense, right?
    Bill C

    Quoted message said:

    dumbass,

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    [censored] of people apparently

    dumbass,

    i supposed to be upset because some dude i've never heard of and who
    probably has a fridge full of wiener blut in vienna can't race the
    bob's bike and mower grand prix ?

    it's PR spin of an inconsequential gesture. a star rider would never
    be kept out of an important race under the same circumstances.

    the movement for credible cycling is PR psychobabble. there are
    probably substitutes he could use without a TUE and even if he used a
    TUE no one would care. it's a red herring - cortisone TUEs aren't the
    cause of cycling's problems.

  10. [email hidden] wrote:
    it's a red herring

    OH, NOOOOOOOOO!

  11. On Feb 29, 10:09 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Bill C said:

    On Feb 29, 8:12 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Feb 29, 8:24 am, Bill C <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > De Bonis out of Lugano
    > By Susan Westemeyer

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Gerolsteiner has withdrawn Francesco De Bonis from its line-up for
    > this weekend's Gran Premio di Lugano, and will hold him out of
    > competition for two weeks. The Italian is being treated with cortisone
    > for a bee sting, and under the regulations of the Movement for
    > Credible Cycling, he may not ride, even with a therapeutic use
    > exemption.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > It's a complete and total joke. Can someone point me to another
    > credible "Pro" sport where this would even be concievable?
    >  We'd never have a game in the NFL, or NHL for sure. The other thing
    > ta's crazy is that the anti-doping crusaders find this perfectly
    > rational and acceptable.
    >  I can see it now; "Hey Manning you got stung by a bee and took
    > cortisone. You're out of the Superbowl."
    >  Makes sense, right?
    > Bill C

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    dumbass,

    Quoted message said:
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    who care ?- Hide quoted text -

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    [censored] of people apparently

    dumbass,

    i supposed to be upset because some dude i've never heard of and who
    probably has a fridge full of wiener blut in vienna can't race the
    bob's bike and mower grand prix ?

    it's PR spin of an inconsequential gesture. a star rider would never
    be kept out of an important race under the same circumstances.

    the movement for credible cycling is PR psychobabble. there are
    probably substitutes he could use without a TUE and even if he used a
    TUE no one would care. it's a red herring - cortisone TUEs aren't the
    cause of cycling's problems.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Like this?:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/in_depth/2001/tour_de_france/1456643.stm
    Quoted:

    Wrong. The combination of a rogue southern French wasp and cycling's
    strict doping rules meant Vaughters' third week of the Tour lasted
    just 10km.

    That's not the problem, but it's a symptom of the problem and that's
    the delusional, incompetent, Napoleonic idiots running the sport who
    haven't got the brains to realize that Pro sports are about
    entertainment and money, and protecting those two things.
    These idiots aren't even decent hack politicians, let alone competent
    to run a business that processes into the hundred million dollars
    area. Instead of fighting ASO they should be helping the event
    organizers, teams, and competitors to grow their sport and monetary
    position.
    Nascar has done exactly that and they are unsophisticated hicks
    according to lots of people around here. Why can't the sophisticated,
    educated, oh so elite running cycling even begin to match their
    performance? Maybe because the Nascar folks had no illusions about
    what they are running, except in the last two, or three years where
    they have been too full of themselves too and losing ratings,
    sponsors, teams, and money.
    Bill C

  12. Bill C said:

    On Feb 29, 10:09 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Feb 29, 9:29 pm, Bill C <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Feb 29, 8:12 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > On Feb 29, 8:24 am, Bill C <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > De Bonis out of Lugano
    > > By Susan Westemeyer

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Gerolsteiner has withdrawn Francesco De Bonis from its line-up for
    > > this weekend's Gran Premio di Lugano, and will hold him out of
    > > competition for two weeks. The Italian is being treated with cortisone
    > > for a bee sting, and under the regulations of the Movement for
    > > Credible Cycling, he may not ride, even with a therapeutic use
    > > exemption.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > It's a complete and total joke. Can someone point me to another
    > > credible "Pro" sport where this would even be concievable?
    > > We'd never have a game in the NFL, or NHL for sure. The other thing
    > > ta's crazy is that the anti-doping crusaders find this perfectly
    > > rational and acceptable.
    > > I can see it now; "Hey Manning you got stung by a bee and took
    > > cortisone. You're out of the Superbowl."
    > > Makes sense, right?
    > > Bill C

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > dumbass,

    Quoted message said:
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    > who care ?- Hide quoted text -

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    > - Show quoted text -

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    [censored] of people apparently

    Quoted message said:

    dumbass,

    Quoted message said:

    i supposed to be upset because some dude i've never heard of and who
    probably has a fridge full of wiener blut in vienna can't race the
    bob's bike and mower grand prix ?

    Quoted message said:

    it's PR spin of an inconsequential gesture. a star rider would never
    be kept out of an important race under the same circumstances.

    Quoted message said:

    the movement for credible cycling is PR psychobabble. there are
    probably substitutes he could use without a TUE and even if he used a
    TUE no one would care. it's a red herring - cortisone TUEs aren't the
    cause of cycling's problems.- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Like this?:http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/in_depth/2001/tour_de_france/1456643.stm
    Quoted:

    Wrong. The combination of a rogue southern French wasp and cycling's
    strict doping rules meant Vaughters' third week of the Tour lasted
    just 10km.

    dumbass,

    1. de bonis apparently has a TUE but he is being sidelined by his team
    voluntarily

    2. you don't see the irony of mr. hot-sauce having to drop out of the
    tour because he had to take cortisone ?

  13. Bill C said:

    Why can't the sophisticated,
    educated, oh so elite running cycling even begin to match their
    performance?

    dumbass,

    cycling people are the stupidest around.

    i agree that pro cycling has no semblance of a professional sport, but
    it's not because some schmoe has to sit two weeks because he's taking
    cortisone.

    the sport has way bigger problems.

  14. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Bill C said:

    Hopefully this finishes off the current system and they setup a real
    Pro league, for Pro's. This [censored] that making money is evil, in a Pro sport,
    is beyond moronic, and it's pretty dumb to expect someone who thinks that
    way to run a money based entertainment form, and grow it. It's a friggin
    business as Kurgan keeps pointing out, but the UCI is totally anti-business
    and seem to think they are a religion of some sort.

    Religions I know of make way more money than UCI.

    --
    Michael Press

  15. Michael Press said:

    Religions I know of make way more money than UCI.

    LIVEDRUNK makes more money than the UCI.

  16. Fred Fredburger said:

    Or pain killers. Probably the most famous example of that was Brett
    Favre's addiction to pain killers.

    Is Brett Favre a right wing talk show host ?

  17. Bill C states;

    Quoted message said:

    Nascar has done exactly that and they are unsophisticated hicks
    according to lots of people around here. Why can't the
    sophisticated, educated, oh so elite running cycling even begin to
    match their performance?

    _GREAT_ point! Of course Bill the answer is xxxxxxxxxxx but that would
    spin this thread into a political rant.

    Best Regard - Mike Baldwin

  18. Bill C said:

    Nascar has done exactly that and they are unsophisticated hicks
    according to lots of people around here. Why can't the sophisticated,
    educated, oh so elite running cycling even begin to match their
    performance? Maybe because the Nascar folks had no illusions about
    what they are running, except in the last two, or three years where
    they have been too full of themselves too and losing ratings,
    sponsors, teams, and money.

    "Too full" exemplified by a new, very hard-line approach to "rules
    infractions", especially IRT the COT (car of tomorrow/today, the new
    one with the wing on it). --D-y

  19. Donald Munro said:
    Fred Fredburger said:

    Or pain killers. Probably the most famous example of that was Brett
    Favre's addiction to pain killers.

    Is Brett Favre a right wing talk show host ?

    No, you're probably thinking of Steve McNair.
    http://tinyurl.com/2c6t5h

  20. Quoted post said:


    (kurgan) > Too many competing interests. Too much bureaucracy. Too much ego..

    That's a nice list of problems. I disagree that those problems make it
    impossible to govern the sport effectively, especially when it comes
    to self-policing doping.  --D-y

    Dy I agree they could handle all of this internally if everyone had
    the same image of what success is. Seems the UCI is wrapped up in some
    Olympic/amateur ideal pipe dream that never existed anywhere, anytime,
    as opposed to functioning to protect, and grow the product. Instead
    they drag it, and the products into the mud.
    Not a peep about the FIFA folks in Puerto, and lord knows FIFA has
    had a ton of black eyes with violence and racism, yet they protect and
    defend the sport, and those are all just blips in the end.
    They're a little more pragmatic and realistic.
    Cycling could, and would do the same without the UCI as currently run
    except the UCI would rather kill the baby than allow it freedom.
    Bill C

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