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  1. I have not read it yet, but I skimmed a portion where Tyler
    stated that the conditioning MD at CSC (Luigi Cecchini, who
    worked with Riis since his time with Ariostea) completely
    reworked his conditioning protocols.

    This leaves me to wonder what in the hell Chris Carmichael
    was doing for all of the riders other than Lance? I know
    Chris has not been educated formally (or has he?) but I
    thought he was more than a 1 rider specialist. I have always
    heard that the non-elite CTS athletes he directed were
    always given training protocols that seemed to be intended
    for Lance. Does this include the whole team at USPS? I
    thought I remember that CC was doing Tyler's training, and
    if so this makes CC look even worse than before. Yes, he is
    a real coach and yes, he seems to be in way over his head.
    As far as LA cares, CC gets him the info he needs (from real
    MDs) but I guess he is not really doing much for anyone
    else, Hincapie included (his sprint has left him since he
    started his super domestique duties for Lance). Does CC
    train them all at USPS for optimal domestique work?

    As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top
    training guys, but are the others that far behind him?
    I ask because of how many athletes are having their
    best performances while at CSC and it can't be entirely
    due to Riis.

    OK Cynics, Cecchini knows how to dope better than any of
    the others..

  2. "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top
    training guys, but


    are

    Quoted message said:

    the others that far behind him? I ask because of how many
    athletes are having their best performances while at CSC
    and it can't be entirely due


    to

    Quoted message said:

    Riis.

    Why not? By all reports he's a fantastic motivator.

    Andy Coggan

  3. "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top
    training guys, but


    are

    Quoted message said:

    the others that far behind him? I ask because of how
    many athletes are having their best performances while
    at CSC and it can't be entirely due


    to

    Quoted message said:

    Riis.

    Why not? By all reports he's a fantastic motivator.

    Andy Coggan

    Well, for starters Tyler is attributing his success (post
    USPS) to Cecchini. (I thought that was obvious)

  4. "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top
    training guys, but


    are

    Quoted message said:

    the others that far behind him? I ask because of how
    many athletes are having their best performances while
    at CSC and it can't be entirely due


    to

    Quoted message said:

    Riis.

    Why not? By all reports he's a fantastic motivator.

    Andy Coggan


    FWIW,

    cyclingnews.comnews.php
    /jan17news

    Sixth paragraph.

    Kirby.

  5. "Kirby Krieger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message ne-
    ws:[email hidden]...

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    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top
    training guys,


    but

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are

    Quoted message said:

    the others that far behind him? I ask because of how
    many athletes are having their best performances while
    at CSC and it can't be entirely


    due

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    Riis.

    Why not? By all reports he's a fantastic motivator.

    Andy Coggan


    FWIW,

    cyclingnews.comnews.php
    an17news

    Sixth paragraph.

    Kirby.

    That is very interesting. Riis is Tyler's conduit to
    Cecchini still.

    Thanks

  6. Chris said:

    "Kirby Krieger" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message ne-
    ws:[email hidden]...

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    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top
    >training guys, but are the others that far behind him? I
    >ask because of how many athletes are having their best
    >performances while at CSC and it can't be entirely
    >>>>>due to Riis.

    Why not? By all reports he's a fantastic motivator.

    Andy Coggan


    FWIW,

    cyclingnews.comnews.php
    an17news

    Sixth paragraph.

    Kirby.

    That is very interesting. Riis is Tyler's conduit to
    Cecchini still.

    In the ProCycling feature article there was a nice example
    of interaction with Riis where Tyler commented some rider
    wasn't riding intelligently yet and Riis agreed, saying
    the rider reminded him of another rider who did the same
    thing, Tyler.

  7. In the procycling interview (at least in the german version)
    they say that (my translation now) the american sends all
    the training data stored in his SRM device via e-mail to the
    60 year old coach (Luigi Cecchini).

    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Kirby Krieger" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    rthlink.net...

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    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    > As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the
    > top training guys,


    but

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are
    > the others that far behind him? I ask because of how
    > many athletes


    are

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > having their best performances while at CSC and it
    > can't be entirely


    due

    Quoted message said:
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    to
    > Riis.

    Why not? By all reports he's a fantastic motivator.

    Andy Coggan


    FWIW,

    cyclingnews.comnews.php
    jan17news

    Sixth paragraph.

    Kirby.

    That is very interesting. Riis is Tyler's conduit to
    Cecchini still.

    Thanks

  8. Chris said:

    I have not read it yet, but I skimmed a portion where
    Tyler stated that the conditioning MD at CSC (Luigi
    Cecchini, who worked with Riis since his time with
    Ariostea) completely reworked his conditioning protocols.

    Quoted message said:

    This leaves me to wonder what in the hell Chris Carmichael
    was doing for all of the riders other than Lance? I know
    Chris has not been educated formally (or has he?) but I
    thought he was more than a 1 rider specialist. I have
    always heard that the non-elite CTS athletes he directed
    were always given training protocols that seemed to be
    intended for Lance. Does this include the whole team at
    USPS? I thought I remember that CC was doing Tyler's
    training, and if so this makes CC look even worse than
    before. ....

    I have no great admiration for Carmichael, but this is a
    slender reed on which to hang your conclusions - I always
    see Carmichael referred to as "Lance's coach," not "USPS
    coach." I don't recall seeing him linked to Hamilton. On
    Carmichael's website, the USPS riders listed as his clients
    are Armstrong, Hincapie, Zabriskie.

  9. In article <40ca1f61$1@darkstar>, Benjamin Weiner

    Quoted message said:
    Chris said:

    I have not read it yet, but I skimmed a portion where
    Tyler stated that the conditioning MD at CSC (Luigi
    Cecchini, who worked with Riis since his time with
    Ariostea) completely reworked his conditioning
    protocols.

    Quoted message said:

    This leaves me to wonder what in the hell Chris
    Carmichael was doing for all of the riders other than
    Lance? I know Chris has not been educated formally (or
    has he?) but I thought he was more than a 1 rider
    specialist. I have always heard that the non-elite CTS
    athletes he directed were always given training
    protocols that seemed to be intended for Lance. Does
    this include the whole team at USPS? I thought I
    remember that CC was doing Tyler's training, and if so
    this makes CC look even worse than before. ....

    I have no great admiration for Carmichael, but this is a
    slender reed on which to hang your conclusions - I always
    see Carmichael referred to as "Lance's coach," not "USPS
    coach." I don't recall seeing him linked to Hamilton. On
    Carmichael's website, the USPS riders listed as his
    clients are Armstrong, Hincapie, Zabriskie.

    Lance gets plenty of coaching/training advice from someone
    other than
    CC. CC is one of Lance's advisors and the public perception
    that CC is "Lance's coach" is good for business.

    -WG

  10. warren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Lance gets plenty of coaching/training advice from someone
    other than
    CC. CC is one of Lance's advisors and the public
    perception that CC is "Lance's coach" is good for
    business.

    -WG

    This is the correct answer.

    Scott

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