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  1. I have not read it yet, but I skimmed a portion where Tyler stated that the
    conditioning MD at CSC (Luigi Cecchini, who worked with Riis since his time
    with Ariostea) completely reworked his conditioning protocols.

    This leaves me to wonder what in the hell Chris Carmichael was doing for all
    of the riders other than Lance? I know Chris has not been educated formally
    (or has he?) but I thought he was more than a 1 rider specialist. I have
    always heard that the non-elite CTS athletes he directed were always given
    training protocols that seemed to be intended for Lance. Does this include
    the whole team at USPS? I thought I remember that CC was doing Tyler's
    training, and if so this makes CC look even worse than before. Yes, he is a
    real coach and yes, he seems to be in way over his head. As far as LA cares,
    CC gets him the info he needs (from real MDs) but I guess he is not really
    doing much for anyone else, Hincapie included (his sprint has left him since
    he started his super domestique duties for Lance). Does CC train them all at
    USPS for optimal domestique work?

    As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top training guys, but are
    the others that far behind him? I ask because of how many athletes are
    having their best performances while at CSC and it can't be entirely due to
    Riis.

    OK Cynics, Cecchini knows how to dope better than any of the others..

  2. "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top training guys, but


    are

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    the others that far behind him? I ask because of how many athletes are
    having their best performances while at CSC and it can't be entirely due


    to

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    Riis.

    Why not? By all reports he's a fantastic motivator.

    Andy Coggan

  3. "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top training guys, but


    are

    Quoted message said:

    the others that far behind him? I ask because of how many athletes are
    having their best performances while at CSC and it can't be entirely due


    to

    Quoted message said:

    Riis.

    Why not? By all reports he's a fantastic motivator.

    Andy Coggan

    Well, for starters Tyler is attributing his success (post USPS) to Cecchini.
    (I thought that was obvious)

  4. "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top training guys, but


    are

    Quoted message said:

    the others that far behind him? I ask because of how many athletes are
    having their best performances while at CSC and it can't be entirely due


    to

    Quoted message said:

    Riis.

    Why not? By all reports he's a fantastic motivator.

    Andy Coggan


    FWIW,

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/jan04/jan17news

    Sixth paragraph.

    Kirby.

  5. "Kirby Krieger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top training guys,


    but

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    are

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    the others that far behind him? I ask because of how many athletes are
    having their best performances while at CSC and it can't be entirely


    due

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    to

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    Riis.

    Why not? By all reports he's a fantastic motivator.

    Andy Coggan


    FWIW,

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/jan04/jan17news

    Sixth paragraph.

    Kirby.

    That is very interesting. Riis is Tyler's conduit to Cecchini still.

    Thanks

  6. Chris said:

    "Kirby Krieger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top training guys,
    >but are
    >the others that far behind him? I ask because of how many athletes are
    >having their best performances while at CSC and it can't be entirely >>>>due to Riis.

    Why not? By all reports he's a fantastic motivator.

    Andy Coggan


    FWIW,

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/jan04/jan17news

    Sixth paragraph.

    Kirby.

    That is very interesting. Riis is Tyler's conduit to Cecchini still.

    In the ProCycling feature article there was a nice example of
    interaction with Riis where Tyler commented some rider wasn't riding
    intelligently yet and Riis agreed, saying the rider reminded him of
    another rider who did the same thing, Tyler.

  7. In the procycling interview (at least in the german version) they say that
    (my translation now) the american sends all the training data stored in his
    SRM device via e-mail to the 60 year old coach (Luigi Cecchini).

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    "Kirby Krieger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > As far as Cecchini goes, I knew he was one of the top training guys,


    but

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    are
    > the others that far behind him? I ask because of how many athletes


    are

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    > having their best performances while at CSC and it can't be entirely


    due

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    to
    > Riis.

    Why not? By all reports he's a fantastic motivator.

    Andy Coggan


    FWIW,

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/jan04/jan17news

    Sixth paragraph.

    Kirby.

    That is very interesting. Riis is Tyler's conduit to Cecchini still.

    Thanks

  8. Chris said:

    I have not read it yet, but I skimmed a portion where Tyler stated that the
    conditioning MD at CSC (Luigi Cecchini, who worked with Riis since his time
    with Ariostea) completely reworked his conditioning protocols.

    Quoted message said:

    This leaves me to wonder what in the hell Chris Carmichael was doing for all
    of the riders other than Lance? I know Chris has not been educated formally
    (or has he?) but I thought he was more than a 1 rider specialist. I have
    always heard that the non-elite CTS athletes he directed were always given
    training protocols that seemed to be intended for Lance. Does this include
    the whole team at USPS? I thought I remember that CC was doing Tyler's
    training, and if so this makes CC look even worse than before. ....

    I have no great admiration for Carmichael, but this is a slender
    reed on which to hang your conclusions - I always see Carmichael
    referred to as "Lance's coach," not "USPS coach." I don't recall
    seeing him linked to Hamilton. On Carmichael's website, the
    USPS riders listed as his clients are Armstrong, Hincapie, Zabriskie.

  9. In article <40ca1f61$1@darkstar>, Benjamin Weiner

    Quoted message said:
    Chris said:

    I have not read it yet, but I skimmed a portion where Tyler stated that the
    conditioning MD at CSC (Luigi Cecchini, who worked with Riis since his time
    with Ariostea) completely reworked his conditioning protocols.

    Quoted message said:

    This leaves me to wonder what in the hell Chris Carmichael was doing for all
    of the riders other than Lance? I know Chris has not been educated formally
    (or has he?) but I thought he was more than a 1 rider specialist. I have
    always heard that the non-elite CTS athletes he directed were always given
    training protocols that seemed to be intended for Lance. Does this include
    the whole team at USPS? I thought I remember that CC was doing Tyler's
    training, and if so this makes CC look even worse than before. ....

    I have no great admiration for Carmichael, but this is a slender
    reed on which to hang your conclusions - I always see Carmichael
    referred to as "Lance's coach," not "USPS coach." I don't recall
    seeing him linked to Hamilton. On Carmichael's website, the
    USPS riders listed as his clients are Armstrong, Hincapie, Zabriskie.

    Lance gets plenty of coaching/training advice from someone other than
    CC. CC is one of Lance's advisors and the public perception that CC is
    "Lance's coach" is good for business.

    -WG

  10. warren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    Lance gets plenty of coaching/training advice from someone other than
    CC. CC is one of Lance's advisors and the public perception that CC is
    "Lance's coach" is good for business.

    -WG

    This is the correct answer.

    Scott

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