problem with old Maillard freewheel

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:27:55 -0500, Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 typed:

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The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot Iseran
so that it hardly turns counter-clockwise (freewheels). It's almost like
riding a track bike since I can't really pedal backwards (the chain will
kink up). Other than trying to replace the freewheel (which must be another
huge pain the ass prospect altogether) or simply replacing the whole rear
wheel altogether, is there anything I should consider? If I wanted to
attempt to remove the freewheel, what Park tool would I need? TIA.

If you're truly on a budget (been there) drip some oil into the freewheel
mechanism. If ya got some mineral spirits, mix it half with the oil, as
it'll help penetrate.

Don't know off hand which tool to remove a Maillard--but for $30 or so, if
you shop around, you can get a 6 or 7 speed hyperglide freewheel and
chain, and that bike will shift like the mutts nuts!

Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 said:

The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot Iseran
so that it hardly turns counter-clockwise (freewheels). It's almost like
riding a track bike since I can't really pedal backwards (the chain will
kink up). Other than trying to replace the freewheel (which must be another
huge pain the ass prospect altogether) or simply replacing the whole rear
wheel altogether, is there anything I should consider? If I wanted to
attempt to remove the freewheel, what Park tool would I need? TIA.

The tool is $7.95 and readily available at any competent bike shop.
Remove the freewheel and drip oil through it until it runs clear. Some
Atom/Normandy/Maillard frewheels have a plastic seal on the back side
which can be removed to speed that process. Replace it after.

If/when your chain and freewheel are worn out, 5 speed replacement
freewheels range from $20 up, chains from $15 up and are also
universally available.

p.s. Your 1986 bike was made after metric freewheel threads were
abandoned. BSC freewheels, unlike metric, abound.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 said:

The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot Iseran
If I wanted to
attempt to remove the freewheel, what Park tool would I need? TIA.

I can't see that any of the current Park freewheel tools would fit.
You have either a "small spline" or "large spline" freewheel, for
which the tools are still available:
small spline:
http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?&d=single&item_id=BR-CT2
http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?&d=single&item_id=PW-FR2
large spline:
http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?&d=single&item_id=VR-RL40500

Jeff

"Bellsouth Ijit 2.0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot

Iseran

Quoted message said:

so that it hardly turns counter-clockwise (freewheels). It's almost

like

Quoted message said:

riding a track bike since I can't really pedal backwards (the chain will
kink up). Other than trying to replace the freewheel (which must be

another

Quoted message said:

huge pain the ass prospect altogether) or simply replacing the whole

rear

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wheel altogether, is there anything I should consider? If I wanted to
attempt to remove the freewheel, what Park tool would I need? TIA.

Follow the other poster's advice but also, make sure that you clean any
crud out of the space between the sprockets and the center part of the
freewheel. When you put oil or solvent in that area, you don't want it to
get washed into the freewheel mechanism.

Chas.

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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:27:55 -0500, Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 typed:

Quoted message said:

The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot
Iseran
so that it hardly turns counter-clockwise (freewheels). It's almost like
riding a track bike since I can't really pedal backwards (the chain will
kink up). Other than trying to replace the freewheel (which must be
another
huge pain the ass prospect altogether) or simply replacing the whole rear
wheel altogether, is there anything I should consider? If I wanted to
attempt to remove the freewheel, what Park tool would I need? TIA.

If you're truly on a budget (been there) drip some oil into the freewheel
mechanism. If ya got some mineral spirits, mix it half with the oil, as
it'll help penetrate.

Don't know off hand which tool to remove a Maillard--but for $30 or so, if
you shop around, you can get a 6 or 7 speed hyperglide freewheel and
chain, and that bike will shift like the mutts nuts!

Thanks. If I can make do without trying to remove the freewheel, all the
better! It's a 27" wheel with Maillard hub stamped "44 85." I'm assuming
"85" is the year of manufacture. I'm not sure if I can even find a
replacement freewheel for the French thread if the whole freewheel is toast.

What kind if oil should I use? Any old?

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:59:33 -0500, Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 typed:

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What kind if oil should I use? Any old?

Aye, anything that can work its way in and loosen the crud. At this point,
even ole' WD40 would be better than the status quo.

Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 said:

The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot Iseran
so that it hardly turns counter-clockwise (freewheels). It's almost like
riding a track bike since I can't really pedal backwards (the chain will
kink up). Other than trying to replace the freewheel (which must be another
huge pain the ass prospect altogether) or simply replacing the whole rear
wheel altogether, is there anything I should consider?

Soak the freewheel in mineral spirits for a while, blow the gunk out
with compressed air, and repeat until what washes out is clean solvent.
Relubricate with oil.

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If I wanted to attempt to remove the freewheel, what Park tool would
I need?

If your freewheel is the one that came with the bike in 1986 you
probably want the splined remover (e.g. Phil Wood, Zeus, Bicycle
Research CT-1), but I'm suspicious that your freewheel is
substantially older than the bike. 5-speed freewheels were already
dinosaurs by 1986. If your freewheel has two notches for the
remover rather than splines, you'll need a rarer tool: the Maillard 411,
Kingsbridge 110, or VAR 186 tool.

--

John ([email hidden])

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Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 said:

The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot
Iseran so that it hardly turns counter-clockwise (freewheels). It's
almost like riding a track bike since I can't really pedal backwards (the
chain will kink up). Other than trying to replace the freewheel (which
must be another huge pain the ass prospect altogether) or simply
replacing the whole rear wheel altogether, is there anything I should
consider? If I wanted to attempt to remove the freewheel, what Park tool
would I need? TIA.

The tool is $7.95 and readily available at any competent bike shop.
Remove the freewheel and drip oil through it until it runs clear. Some
Atom/Normandy/Maillard frewheels have a plastic seal on the back side
which can be removed to speed that process. Replace it after.

If/when your chain and freewheel are worn out, 5 speed replacement
freewheels range from $20 up, chains from $15 up and are also universally
available.

p.s. Your 1986 bike was made after metric freewheel threads were
abandoned. BSC freewheels, unlike metric, abound.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Thanks. So my rear Maillard hub is not French threaded, but ISO-threaded?
It's a 27" wheel, Maillard hub with "44 85" stamped on it. The lockring of
the freewheel says "Schwinn Approved - Made in Japan."

Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 said:

"landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm not sure if I can even find a replacement freewheel for the
French thread if the whole freewheel is toast.

They turn up on eBay routinely.

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What kind if oil should I use? Any old?

Phil's "Tenacious" oil is a good choice, IMHO. It doesn't run out of the
body as quickly as a lighter oil.

--

John ([email hidden])

JeffWills said:

Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 said:

The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot Iseran
If I wanted to
attempt to remove the freewheel, what Park tool would I need? TIA.

I can't see that any of the current Park freewheel tools would fit.
You have either a "small spline" or "large spline" freewheel, for
which the tools are still available:
small spline:
http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?&d=single&item_id=BR-CT2

Assuming he has one of the splined Maillard bodies, this one would work,
but requires partial disassembly of the axle to insert the tool.

Quoted message said:

http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?&d=single&item_id=PW-FR2

This one (Phil Wood) is the preferred tool for this job. No disassembly
required.

Quoted message said:

large spline:
http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?&d=single&item_id=VR-RL40500

The body has been obsolete for decades and is unlikely to be the tool
needed for a 1980s era bike.

--

John ([email hidden])

Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 said:

The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot Iseran
so that it hardly turns counter-clockwise (freewheels).

I received a set of motobecane hubs with a suntour perfect 8.8.8
freewheel. And in another vintage buy, a suntour perfect 8.8.8
freewheel.

Both were so old and sticky that they would not 'freewheel'.

I soaked them for a few days in 'evapo-rust'. While I haven't mounted
them yet, after re-oiling them, they spin like new and more or less
look like new. The transformation was astonishing. Your mileage may
vary with non-black freewheels.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA, USA

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Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 said:

The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot
Iseran so that it hardly turns counter-clockwise (freewheels). It's
almost like riding a track bike since I can't really pedal backwards (the
chain will kink up). Other than trying to replace the freewheel (which
must be another huge pain the ass prospect altogether) or simply
replacing the whole rear wheel altogether, is there anything I should
consider? If I wanted to attempt to remove the freewheel, what Park tool
would I need? TIA.

Quoted message said:

A Muzi said:

The tool is $7.95 and readily available at any competent bike shop.
Remove the freewheel and drip oil through it until it runs clear. Some
Atom/Normandy/Maillard frewheels have a plastic seal on the back side
which can be removed to speed that process. Replace it after.
If/when your chain and freewheel are worn out, 5 speed replacement
freewheels range from $20 up, chains from $15 up and are also universally
available.
p.s. Your 1986 bike was made after metric freewheel threads were
abandoned. BSC freewheels, unlike metric, abound.

Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 said:

Thanks. So my rear Maillard hub is not French threaded, but ISO-threaded?
It's a 27" wheel, Maillard hub with "44 85" stamped on it. The lockring of
the freewheel says "Schwinn Approved - Made in Japan."

Right. By 1985 there were no Metric Normandy hubs AFAIK. If there were,
your Japanese freewheel wouldn't be on it.

If you do remove the freewheel, the back side* will show either the
thread dimensions or a prominent I or A to denote non-French threading.

And your freewheel is a Shimano, not a Maillard.

*Note: Freewheels are marked on the back because that's the part with
the hub-engaging threads. On models supplied with various threads the
outer body and front plate are all the same so the inner body (back) has
the markings. They are threaded country-of-origin unless marked. A
Regina is Italian unless you see an A or F. French ones are metric
unless there's an I or A or some other indication that it is _not_ metric.

Suntour is an exception as their unique remover format allowed a large
lip inside the cover plate which is clearly marked "METRIC" on the
French dimension models.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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Quoted message said:

Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 said:

The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot Iseran
If I wanted to
attempt to remove the freewheel, what Park tool would I need? TIA.

Quoted message said:

JeffWills said:

I can't see that any of the current Park freewheel tools would fit.
You have either a "small spline" or "large spline" freewheel, for
which the tools are still available:
small spline:
http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?&d=single&item_id=BR-CT2

John Thompson said:

Assuming he has one of the splined Maillard bodies, this one would work,
but requires partial disassembly of the axle to insert the tool.

Quoted message said:

JeffWills said:

http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?&d=single&item_id=PW-FR2

John Thompson said:

This one (Phil Wood) is the preferred tool for this job. No disassembly
required.

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JeffWills said:

large spline:
http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?&d=single&item_id=VR-RL40500

John Thompson said:

The body has been obsolete for decades and is unlikely to be the tool
needed for a 1980s era bike.

You should get out more.

That thick-walled Euro style Atom tool (must-remove-axle-type) is a
fortunately obsolete antique and not missed at all by mechanics. Phil
Wood hasn't made their excellent freewheel tool in years.

Park's copy (Part # FR-4) has been _the_ choice for Atom splines for a
generation now. Under $10 ($7.95 usually) at any competent LBS- stocked
at twenty or more distributors across the country.

In a later post the OP noted he has a _Shimano_ freewheel which is a
slightly larger spline [same as Campagnolo BB and cassette lockring].
The cheapest tool is again a Park product, (Part #FR-1) again, under $10
virtually everywhere.

If he had an early style remove-axle-first Shimano freewheel or the
large Normandy style (whose tool is now costly) or a break-on-removal
early notched Atom/Regina I'd suggest removal at an LBS for a couple of
bucks as the aggravation isn't IMHO worth it. But for a mid-80s small
spline Atom/Normandy or Shimano the tools are cheap, easy to use and
available everywhere.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 wrote:
> The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot
> Iseran so that it hardly turns counter-clockwise (freewheels). It's
> almost like riding a track bike since I can't really pedal backwards
> (the chain will kink up). Other than trying to replace the freewheel
> (which must be another huge pain the ass prospect altogether) or simply
> replacing the whole rear wheel altogether, is there anything I should
> consider? If I wanted to attempt to remove the freewheel, what Park
> tool would I need? TIA.

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A Muzi said:

The tool is $7.95 and readily available at any competent bike shop.
Remove the freewheel and drip oil through it until it runs clear. Some
Atom/Normandy/Maillard frewheels have a plastic seal on the back side
which can be removed to speed that process. Replace it after.
If/when your chain and freewheel are worn out, 5 speed replacement
freewheels range from $20 up, chains from $15 up and are also
universally available.
p.s. Your 1986 bike was made after metric freewheel threads were
abandoned. BSC freewheels, unlike metric, abound.

Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 said:

Thanks. So my rear Maillard hub is not French threaded, but
ISO-threaded? It's a 27" wheel, Maillard hub with "44 85" stamped on it.
The lockring of the freewheel says "Schwinn Approved - Made in Japan."

Right. By 1985 there were no Metric Normandy hubs AFAIK. If there were,
your Japanese freewheel wouldn't be on it.

If you do remove the freewheel, the back side* will show either the thread
dimensions or a prominent I or A to denote non-French threading.

And your freewheel is a Shimano, not a Maillard.

*Note: Freewheels are marked on the back because that's the part with the
hub-engaging threads. On models supplied with various threads the outer
body and front plate are all the same so the inner body (back) has the
markings. They are threaded country-of-origin unless marked. A Regina is
Italian unless you see an A or F. French ones are metric unless there's an
I or A or some other indication that it is _not_ metric.

Suntour is an exception as their unique remover format allowed a large lip
inside the cover plate which is clearly marked "METRIC" on the French
dimension models.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Thanks for your expertise as usual! Makes sense, since the bike came with
Shimano front and rear derailleurs.

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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:27:55 -0500, Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 typed:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The Maillard 5-spd freewheel has gotten so sluggish on my '86 Peugeot
Iseran
so that it hardly turns counter-clockwise (freewheels). It's almost like
riding a track bike since I can't really pedal backwards (the chain will
kink up). Other than trying to replace the freewheel (which must be
another
huge pain the ass prospect altogether) or simply replacing the whole rear
wheel altogether, is there anything I should consider? If I wanted to
attempt to remove the freewheel, what Park tool would I need? TIA.

Quoted message said:

If you're truly on a budget (been there) drip some oil into the freewheel
mechanism. If ya got some mineral spirits, mix it half with the oil, as
it'll help penetrate.

Quoted message said:

Don't know off hand which tool to remove a Maillard--but for $30 or so, if
you shop around, you can get a 6 or 7 speed hyperglide freewheel and
chain, and that bike will shift like the mutts nuts!

Thanks. If I can make do without trying to remove the freewheel, all the
better! It's a 27" wheel with Maillard hub stamped "44 85." I'm assuming
"85" is the year of manufacture. I'm not sure if I can even find a
replacement freewheel for the French thread if the whole freewheel is toast.

What kind if oil should I use? Any old?

Just for info, I have a couple of Malliad threaded freewheels, made by
Sachs, if ya need one. $45 per.