Probiotics?

Ok, now I think maybe this is a troll, so this is the last I'll say
about it:

Gymmy Bob said:

The previous posts tell the story if somebody wants the history.

As I said, threads are often broken. Especially when you're reading ones that are old. The previous
messages are very often lost and these 'cut' discussions will lose their context and meaning when
this happens. I like to think of all this stuff that goes around the usenet as being useful not just
now, but in the future. If an article is expired from one person's news server but not anothers,
then you end up with a new thread labeled, for example "Re: Probiotics?" and the single message that
has been replied to is now the top of the thread. If all of the previous information has been cut,
then this has context only for the person that replied.

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When you bottom post readers have to wade through piles of repeated history to get to todays
message.

The quote marks show the current message. That's what they're for. I really can't believe that it is
too much effort for people to scroll to the bottom of the message.

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Most won't even bother unless it is super interesting.

I don't think you can say "Most people wont even bother...". I assume that anyone who reads the
thread will be reading because they're interested. If someone has posted a question, and they want
the answer, it seems doubtful that they will abandon it because there happens to be some text
beforehand. If they do, then I don't really mind. I never leave "piles of repeated history" but I
leave usually the previous three or four comments to preserve some context.

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Not many here have the literary skills to be chased through a long repititive header, more header
and two lines of real text.

Well, this makes me think you're just trolling. If you're not, then I think a lot of people,
particularly those that read these groups, would be somewhat offended by that statement.

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If you want people to read your post then top post.

As I said, I'll post in a fashion that keeps context and makes the most sense... whether it be top,
bottom, or intermingled as is the case with this post.

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If you don't care if people read your message...then why post at all?

I don't care if *everyone* reads my message. If you're not interested, then feel free to skip my
message. I've never had a problem with it before. You speak for yourself, not for everyone else.

Scott.

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drceephd said:

"EK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Don't you think that if cells of the inner layer of the stomach that are made of proteins and
such can survive in digestive fluids, so could the bacteria made of same or similar proteins and
such, plus protected by rigid cell walls? Even if some bacteria you take with those preparations
don't survive through the stomach, some do, and that is usually enough to help establish normal
microflora.

The human stomach can and does make a pH change depending upon what food you are eating. Normally
the stomach will go alkaline to allow the carbohydrate enzymes to digest the carbs in your food,
then over about a 30 minute period, the stomach will go acidic, down to around a 2 pH.

This does not match the information I've been able to find, which says that the stomach is always an
acid environment, and the pH is around 1.

As opposed to the small intestine, which does have an alkaline pH.

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Buy the way, if you put some stomach jiuce on your hand, it woun't burn a hole in your skin. Do
you see my point? :-) EK

You are wrong there. The strong acid combined with the action of the pepsin would most definately
eat a hole in your skin.

Over time -- but not instantly. Even bulemics take a while to really manage to screw up their teeth
with all that HCl.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

[email hidden] (PF Riley) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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(drceephd) said:

The human stomach can and does make a pH change depending upon what food you are eating. Normally
the stomach will go alkaline to allow the carbohydrate enzymes to digest the carbs in your food,
then over about a 30 minute period, the stomach will go acidic, down to around a 2 pH. This pH
change stops the carbohydrate enzymes and activates the proteolytic ( protein ) digesting
enzymes. This also affects the bacteria and may or may not kill the critters. The bacteria may
just become dormant.

The gastric pH drops after a meal because of the food in the stomach, not because the stomach is
intentionally lowering the pH. In fact, eating stimulates acid production in the stomach.

PF

You are mis-informed. I have read numerous articles in the medical journals which confirm what I am
saying, that is, that the stomach is capable of making the necessary pH adjustments to completely
digest our foods. However, the authors are not looking for that information, and never mention it
or comment on it, even though they report it. It is the old saying, you only see what you are
looking for. One of the more recent ones was where the authors intubated a person and poured in
micronized fat to see what whould happen in the stomach. They reported the pH change but never
commented about it.

Secondly, it is only logical for the stomach to make these needed pH changes. Otherwise, we could
not, and would not be able to properly digest our foods. The amylase enzymes of the mouth are only
active in an alkaline environment and once acidified they cannot be reactivated.

The stomach must prepare what we eat for the enzymes of the small intestine. The carbs must be
reduced to diglycerides, the protein to smaller protein particles, and just a little fat digestion (
humans were not meant to eat fatty foodstuffs) . The small intestine enzymes then reduce the
diglycerides to monoglcerides, the protein partices to amino acids, and the fat to glycerol and
fatty acids.

DrC PhD.

I only speak for myself but I am repeating what hundreds of others have stated.

If you want people to read your posts, make it real interesting, real easy or both.

If you do not care if people read your post then why bother posting at all?

As far as your "quote marks" that is entirely up to your browser, your personal politics and your
posting hygiene. Bottom posters display their lack of courtesy in these areas.

Now remember you said this was the last you'll say on this....LOL

"Scott Coutts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UbxHb.67756$aT.20410@news-
server.bigpond.net.au... Ok, now I think maybe this is a troll, so this is the last I'll
say about it:

Gymmy Bob wrote:

The previous posts tell the story if somebody wants the history.

As I said, threads are often broken. Especially when you're reading ones that are old. The previous
messages are very often lost and these 'cut' discussions will lose their context and meaning when
this happens. I like to think of all this stuff that goes around the usenet as being useful not just
now, but in the future. If an article is expired from one person's news server but not anothers,
then you end up with a new thread labeled, for example "Re:

(drceephd) said:

[email hidden] (PF Riley) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

(drceephd) said:

The human stomach can and does make a pH change depending upon what food you are eating.
Normally the stomach will go alkaline to allow the carbohydrate enzymes to digest the carbs in
your food, then over about a 30 minute period, the stomach will go acidic, down to around a 2
pH. This pH change stops the carbohydrate enzymes and activates the proteolytic ( protein )
digesting enzymes. This also affects the bacteria and may or may not kill the critters. The
bacteria may just become dormant.

The gastric pH drops after a meal because of the food in the stomach, not because the stomach is
intentionally lowering the pH. In fact, eating stimulates acid production in the stomach.

PF

You are mis-informed. I have read numerous articles in the medical journals which confirm what I am
saying, that is, that the stomach is capable of making the necessary pH adjustments to completely
digest our foods.

Then surely you can cite just one such article?

(By the way, I meant to say above, of course, that "the gastric pH RISES after a meal..."😉

Quoted message said:

However, the authors are not looking for that information, and never mention it or comment on it,
even though they report it. It is the old saying, you only see what you are looking for. One of the
more recent ones was where the authors intubated a person and poured in micronized fat to see what
whould happen in the stomach. They reported the pH change but never commented about it.

Again, certainly if you "pour" one solution into another the pH will change. It doesn't mean the
container had anything to do with it.

Quoted message said:

Secondly, it is only logical for the stomach to make these needed pH changes. Otherwise, we could
not, and would not be able to properly digest our foods.

The stomach scretes hydrogen ions. Tell me how it otherwise can adjust pH values?

Quoted message said:

The amylase enzymes of the mouth are only active in an alkaline environment and once acidified they
cannot be reactivated.

Well then, it's a good thing the pancreas dumps plenty of amylase into the alkaline lumen of
the duodenum.

Quoted message said:

The stomach must prepare what we eat for the enzymes of the small intestine. The carbs must be
reduced to diglycerides, the protein to smaller protein particles, and just a little fat digestion
( humans were not meant to eat fatty foodstuffs)

We weren't? Aside from this presumption of intelligent design, how else do you think humans survived
on a planet in which we have only known abundance in the last few seconds of the day or our entire
existence? By consuming the LEAST calorie-dense foods? I think not. Why else would fatty food taste
so damn good? Would a caveman who needs to store up energy and will likely die from trauma or an
infectious disease by his 30's really care about atherosclerosis? Or would he gladly chase away
hyenas to suck up fatty marrow from an abandoned lion kill?

Quoted message said:

The small intestine enzymes then reduce the diglycerides to monoglcerides, the protein partices to
amino acids, and the fat to glycerol and fatty acids.

Don't forget that amylase is there too in the small intestine to pick up any starches that the
salivary amylase couldn't take care of in the acidic stomach.

PF

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Now remember you said this was the last you'll say on this....LOL

Yup.

"PF Riley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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(drceephd) said:

[email hidden] (PF Riley) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

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Quoted message said:

On 25 Dec 2003 12:21:05 -0800, [email hidden] (drceephd) wrote:
>
>The human stomach can and does make a pH change depending upon what food you are eating.
>Normally the stomach will go alkaline to allow the carbohydrate enzymes to digest the carbs in
>your food, then over about a 30 minute period, the stomach will go acidic, down to around a 2
>pH. This pH change stops the carbohydrate enzymes and activates the proteolytic ( protein )
>digesting enzymes. This also affects the bacteria and may or may not kill the critters. The
>bacteria may just become dormant.

The gastric pH drops after a meal because of the food in the stomach, not because the stomach
is intentionally lowering the pH. In fact, eating stimulates acid production in the stomach.

PF

You are mis-informed. I have read numerous articles in the medical journals which confirm what I
am saying, that is, that the stomach is capable of making the necessary pH adjustments to
completely digest our foods.

Then surely you can cite just one such article?

(By the way, I meant to say above, of course, that "the gastric pH RISES after a meal..."😉

Quoted message said:

However, the authors are not looking for that information, and never mention it or comment on it,
even though they report it. It is the old saying, you only see what you are looking for. One of
the more recent ones was where the authors intubated a person and poured in micronized fat to see
what whould happen in the stomach. They reported the pH change but never commented about it.

Again, certainly if you "pour" one solution into another the pH will change. It doesn't mean the
container had anything to do with it.

Quoted message said:

Secondly, it is only logical for the stomach to make these needed pH changes. Otherwise, we could
not, and would not be able to properly digest our foods.

The stomach scretes hydrogen ions. Tell me how it otherwise can adjust pH values?

Quoted message said:

The amylase enzymes of the mouth are only active in an alkaline environment and once acidified
they cannot be reactivated.

Well then, it's a good thing the pancreas dumps plenty of amylase into the alkaline lumen of the
duodenum.

Quoted message said:

The stomach must prepare what we eat for the enzymes of the small intestine. The carbs must be
reduced to diglycerides, the protein to smaller protein particles, and just a little fat
digestion ( humans were not meant to eat fatty foodstuffs)

We weren't? Aside from this presumption of intelligent design, how else do you think humans
survived on a planet in which we have only known abundance in the last few seconds of the day or
our entire existence? By consuming the LEAST calorie-dense foods? I think not. Why else would
fatty food taste so damn good? Would a caveman who needs to store up energy and will likely die
from trauma or an infectious disease by his 30's really care about atherosclerosis? Or would he
gladly chase away hyenas to suck up fatty marrow from an abandoned lion kill?

Quoted message said:

The small intestine enzymes then reduce the diglycerides to monoglcerides, the protein partices
to amino acids, and the fat to glycerol and fatty acids.

Don't forget that amylase is there too in the small intestine to pick up any starches that the
salivary amylase couldn't take care of in the acidic stomach.

PF

PF wrote

The carbs must be reduced to diglycerides

WHat do you mean ? This sounds like nonsense to me

N10

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PF wrote

The carbs must be reduced to diglycerides

WHat do you mean ? This sounds like nonsense to me

I think he meant disaccharides, or more likely monosaccharides.