Predujace in this newsgroup

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:3f7f8906$0$65584$65c69314
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It's plain to see, a doctor comes on here (this newsgroup), they are
attacked because there's an anti-doctor attitude in here.

Some have that attitude, but only the ignorant or crazy.

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Similarly this happens in other newsgroups who are biased towards

mainstream

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medication, and a ND doctor comes on.
They are just people like everyone else, it's almost like racism in

here.

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Just because someone goes to a certain 'school' doesn't mean they are

evil

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dirty and nasty people.
Regards,
Anth

Some would disagree with that statement. Shouts of EOM should be coming
forth at any moment now. Those that hate MD's are clueless and can be
safely ignored. Their attitude will change one day and if not, they will
die.

r

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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It's plain to see, a doctor comes on here (this newsgroup), they are
attacked because there's an anti-doctor attitude in here.
Similarly this happens in other newsgroups who are biased towards mainstream
medication, and a ND doctor comes on.
They are just people like everyone else, it's almost like racism in here.
Just because someone goes to a certain 'school' doesn't mean they are evil
dirty and nasty people.
Regards,
Anth

Nothing personal, its just that there is a hardcore group of
conventional people who hang around this ng, who have absolutely no
interest in alternative treatments, just to ridicule alternative
medicine and call it rubbish.

If people come to realise you have genuine interest in finding out
what is true, they will start to ease up on you generally.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm

Sadly, you can't find out what is true, even if you have success with it.
You can only find your 'truth'
Anth

"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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It's plain to see, a doctor comes on here (this newsgroup), they are
attacked because there's an anti-doctor attitude in here.
Similarly this happens in other newsgroups who are biased towards

mainstream

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

medication, and a ND doctor comes on.
They are just people like everyone else, it's almost like racism in

here.

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Just because someone goes to a certain 'school' doesn't mean they are

evil

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dirty and nasty people.
Regards,
Anth

Nothing personal, its just that there is a hardcore group of
conventional people who hang around this ng, who have absolutely no
interest in alternative treatments, just to ridicule alternative
medicine and call it rubbish.

If people come to realise you have genuine interest in finding out
what is true, they will start to ease up on you generally.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sadly, you can't find out what is true, even if you have success with it.
You can only find your 'truth'
Anth

That is NOT true. The true structure and function of the Universe in which
we live is the universal truth. That truth is the same for you, Anth, as it
is for me, and as it is for Carole, no matter how much she seems to be
posting to us from a different reality. You CAN find out what is true by
observing the universe in a systematic way that guards against self
deception. That is science.

--Rich

Rubbish
Anth

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sadly, you can't find out what is true, even if you have success with

it.

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You can only find your 'truth'
Anth

That is NOT true. The true structure and function of the Universe in which
we live is the universal truth. That truth is the same for you, Anth, as

it

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is for me, and as it is for Carole, no matter how much she seems to be
posting to us from a different reality. You CAN find out what is true by
observing the universe in a systematic way that guards against self
deception. That is science.

--Rich

To have universal truth you need to know the axioms of the universe. Only
god knows that (if such a thing does)
What you quote as being science in medicine is, infact empirical studies on
what we are observing to be true or what conforms to what we think is true.
What Carol believes is her truth and is real in her mind. Until she changes
her mind then that truth stays.
Anth

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sadly, you can't find out what is true, even if you have success with

it.

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You can only find your 'truth'
Anth

That is NOT true. The true structure and function of the Universe in which
we live is the universal truth. That truth is the same for you, Anth, as

it

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is for me, and as it is for Carole, no matter how much she seems to be
posting to us from a different reality. You CAN find out what is true by
observing the universe in a systematic way that guards against self
deception. That is science.

--Rich

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Subject: Re: Predujace in this newsgroup
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 10/6/2003 8:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Rubbish
Anth

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sadly, you can't find out what is true, even if you have success with

it.

Quoted message said:

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You can only find your 'truth'
Anth

That is NOT true. The true structure and function of the Universe in which
we live is the universal truth. That truth is the same for you, Anth, as

it

Quoted message said:

is for me, and as it is for Carole, no matter how much she seems to be
posting to us from a different reality. You CAN find out what is true by
observing the universe in a systematic way that guards against self
deception. That is science.

--Rich

Self deception comes im many forms.

*I believe that God does not exist. And I believe that all alternative medicine
is quackery. And I believe that these are both reasonable assumptions until I
am proven wrong. *

Jan

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I don't give a damn if Peter lied to you, this newsgroup, his mother, or
the pope.

Rich Shewmaker Ka Ching

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Carole said:

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It's plain to see, a doctor comes on here (this newsgroup), they are
attacked because there's an anti-doctor attitude in here.
Similarly this happens in other newsgroups who are biased towards mainstream
medication, and a ND doctor comes on.
They are just people like everyone else, it's almost like racism in here.
Just because someone goes to a certain 'school' doesn't mean they are evil
dirty and nasty people.
Regards,
Anth

Nothing personal, its just that there is a hardcore group of
conventional people who hang around this ng, who have absolutely no
interest in alternative treatments, just to ridicule alternative
medicine and call it rubbish.

There are relatively few, if any, people here who issue blanket
condemnations of *all* alternative methods.

There are many people here who regularly point out the massive
silliness of Carole's beloved "cell salts".

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Re: Predujace in this newsgroup
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 10/6/2003 8:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,

Carole said:

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It's plain to see, a doctor comes on here (this newsgroup), they are
attacked because there's an anti-doctor attitude in here.
Similarly this happens in other newsgroups who are biased towards

mainstream

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

medication, and a ND doctor comes on.
They are just people like everyone else, it's almost like racism in here.
Just because someone goes to a certain 'school' doesn't mean they are evil
dirty and nasty people.
Regards,
Anth

Nothing personal, its just that there is a hardcore group of
conventional people who hang around this ng, who have absolutely no
interest in alternative treatments, just to ridicule alternative
medicine and call it rubbish.

There are relatively few, if any, people here who issue blanket
condemnations of *all* alternative methods.

*I believe that God does not exist. And I believe that all alternative medicine
is quackery. And I believe that these are both reasonable assumptions until I
am proven wrong.*

Rich Shewmaker

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sadly, you can't find out what is true, even if you have success with it.
You can only find your 'truth'

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That is NOT true. The true structure and function of the Universe in which
we live is the universal truth. That truth is the same for you, Anth, as it
is for me, and as it is for Carole, no matter how much she seems to be
posting to us from a different reality. You CAN find out what is true by
observing the universe in a systematic way that guards against self
deception. That is science.

I read that as Anth telling Carole that she wasn't open
to anything that disagrees with her own preconceptions.

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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To have universal truth you need to know the axioms of the universe. Only
god knows that (if such a thing does)
What you quote as being science in medicine is, infact empirical studies

on

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what we are observing to be true or what conforms to what we think is

true.

Quoted message said:

What Carol believes is her truth and is real in her mind. Until she

changes

Quoted message said:

her mind then that truth stays.
Anth

I did not say we know all the truth about the Universe. But it exists
whether we know it or not. The Universe and its truths are the same for all
of us, regardless of our beliefs. If Carole slips and falls, her butt is
accelerated toward the ground at the same gravitational rate that mine or
yours would be in similar circumstances. Vitamin C behaves in your cells the
same as it does in mine. We are warmed by the same sun, and we look at the
same moon. Astronauts walked on that moon whether Carole believes it or not.
The sub-atomic particles in your body and mine and Carole's obey the same
rules of quantum mechanics. We all live in the SAME reality, and we can
understand more and more about how that reality works by observing it
scientifically.

--Rich

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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There are relatively few, if any, people here who issue blanket
condemnations of *all* alternative methods.

*I believe that God does not exist. And I believe that all alternative

medicine

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is quackery. And I believe that these are both reasonable assumptions

until I

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am proven wrong.*

I am willing to discuss these opinions with anyone. Show me evidence of the
existence of God or of effective alternative medicine and I will gladly
examine it and consider it. Unlike you, Jan, I can express my opinions in my
own words, and can discuss a subject in a rational matter without being
reduced to name calling or bigotry.

--Rich

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

There are relatively few, if any, people here who issue blanket
condemnations of *all* alternative methods.

*I believe that God does not exist. And I believe that all alternative

medicine

Quoted message said:

is quackery. And I believe that these are both reasonable assumptions

until I

Quoted message said:

am proven wrong.*

I am willing to discuss these opinions with anyone. Show me evidence of

the

Quoted message said:

existence of God or of effective alternative medicine and I will gladly
examine it and consider it. Unlike you, Jan, I can express my opinions in

my

Quoted message said:

own words, and can discuss a subject in a rational matter without being
reduced to name calling or bigotry.

(And when you are out of the equation her truth is hers)
Or indeed if there was only 1 Carole in the universe.
It's all based on assumptions.
Anth

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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To have universal truth you need to know the axioms of the universe.

Only

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

god knows that (if such a thing does)
What you quote as being science in medicine is, infact empirical studies

on

Quoted message said:

what we are observing to be true or what conforms to what we think is

true.

Quoted message said:

What Carol believes is her truth and is real in her mind. Until she

changes

Quoted message said:

her mind then that truth stays.
Anth

I did not say we know all the truth about the Universe. But it exists
whether we know it or not. The Universe and its truths are the same for

all

Quoted message said:

of us, regardless of our beliefs. If Carole slips and falls, her butt is
accelerated toward the ground at the same gravitational rate that mine or
yours would be in similar circumstances. Vitamin C behaves in your cells

the

Quoted message said:

same as it does in mine. We are warmed by the same sun, and we look at the
same moon. Astronauts walked on that moon whether Carole believes it or

not.

Quoted message said:

The sub-atomic particles in your body and mine and Carole's obey the same
rules of quantum mechanics. We all live in the SAME reality, and we can
understand more and more about how that reality works by observing it
scientifically.

--Rich

You couldn't prove god even if he did appear.
It would be another alien or more advanced being.
Which is why I am making the point about knowing all the rules about the
universe.
Anth

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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There are relatively few, if any, people here who issue blanket
condemnations of *all* alternative methods.

*I believe that God does not exist. And I believe that all alternative

medicine

Quoted message said:

is quackery. And I believe that these are both reasonable assumptions

until I

Quoted message said:

am proven wrong.*

I am willing to discuss these opinions with anyone. Show me evidence of

the

Quoted message said:

existence of God or of effective alternative medicine and I will gladly
examine it and consider it. Unlike you, Jan, I can express my opinions in

my

Quoted message said:

own words, and can discuss a subject in a rational matter without being
reduced to name calling or bigotry.

--Rich

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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(And when you are out of the equation her truth is hers)
Or indeed if there was only 1 Carole in the universe.
It's all based on assumptions.
Anth

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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To have universal truth you need to know the axioms of the universe.

Only

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

god knows that (if such a thing does)
What you quote as being science in medicine is, infact empirical

studies

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

on

Quoted message said:

what we are observing to be true or what conforms to what we think is

true.

Quoted message said:

What Carol believes is her truth and is real in her mind. Until she

changes

Quoted message said:

her mind then that truth stays.
Anth

I did not say we know all the truth about the Universe. But it exists
whether we know it or not. The Universe and its truths are the same for

all

Quoted message said:

of us, regardless of our beliefs. If Carole slips and falls, her butt is
accelerated toward the ground at the same gravitational rate that mine

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yours would be in similar circumstances. Vitamin C behaves in your cells

the

Quoted message said:

same as it does in mine. We are warmed by the same sun, and we look at

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same moon. Astronauts walked on that moon whether Carole believes it or

not.

Quoted message said:

The sub-atomic particles in your body and mine and Carole's obey the

same

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

rules of quantum mechanics. We all live in the SAME reality, and we can
understand more and more about how that reality works by observing it
scientifically.

But the real truth lies with connecting with nature. You may study it all
you want,
but people like Carole and I understand it. Therein lies the real truth.

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You couldn't prove god even if he did appear.
It would be another alien or more advanced being.
Which is why I am making the point about knowing all the rules about the
universe.
Anth

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
>There are relatively few, if any, people here who issue blanket
>condemnations of *all* alternative methods.

*I believe that God does not exist. And I believe that all alternative

medicine

Quoted message said:

is quackery. And I believe that these are both reasonable assumptions

until I

Quoted message said:

am proven wrong.*

I am willing to discuss these opinions with anyone. Show me evidence of

the

Quoted message said:

existence of God or of effective alternative medicine and I will gladly
examine it and consider it. Unlike you, Jan, I can express my opinions

in

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my

Quoted message said:

own words, and can discuss a subject in a rational matter without being
reduced to name calling or bigotry.

You request a "fools" discussion.

"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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It's plain to see, a doctor comes on here (this newsgroup), they are
attacked because there's an anti-doctor attitude in here.
Similarly this happens in other newsgroups who are biased towards

mainstream

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

medication, and a ND doctor comes on.
They are just people like everyone else, it's almost like racism in

here.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just because someone goes to a certain 'school' doesn't mean they are

evil

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dirty and nasty people.
Regards,
Anth

Nothing personal, its just that there is a hardcore group of
conventional people who hang around this ng, who have absolutely no
interest in alternative treatments, just to ridicule alternative
medicine and call it rubbish.

Wrong, conspiracy breath.

There is a hardcore goup of people who care enough to spend their time
showing how the lies and distrotions of alternative medical quacks can hurt
people seeking treatment for real diseases.

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If people come to realise you have genuine interest in finding out
what is true, they will start to ease up on you generally.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

But the real truth lies with connecting with nature. You may study it all
you want,
but people like Carole and I understand it. Therein lies the real truth.

How can you connect with nature, when you don't even have the first clue
how things work in nature (as demonstrated by your frequent ignorant and
incorrect assertions about your Ginseng)?

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