Precose/Acarbose Alternatives?

Kev said:

Are their any Natural alternatives to Precose/Acarbose or
Miglitol/Glyset?

(Im asking for natural alternatives not because I'm a
freak for natural things, but prescriptions are
expensive.)

These slow the digestion of most starches and complex
sugars by blocking the enzymes that digest the starches.

TIA

Kidney bean (Phaseolus vulgaris) extract. Prescribed by my
internist (specialty nutrition).

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Quoted message said:

Are their any Natural alternatives to Precose/Acarbose or
Miglitol/Glyset?

(Im asking for natural alternatives not because I'm a
freak for natural things, but prescriptions are
expensive.)

These slow the digestion of most starches and complex
sugars by blocking

the

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enzymes that digest the starches.

And you think OTC things are not expensive? Sorry, but there
are no diabetes meds available OTC.

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Julie Bove on 3/7/04 12:55 AM at [email hidden] in

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Quoted message said:

Are their any Natural alternatives to Precose/Acarbose or
Miglitol/Glyset?

(Im asking for natural alternatives not because I'm a
freak for natural things, but prescriptions are
expensive.)

These slow the digestion of most starches and complex
sugars by blocking

the

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enzymes that digest the starches.

And you think OTC things are not expensive?

OTC does not require an $80 doctor visit every few months.

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Sorry, but there are no diabetes meds available OTC.

That depends on your definition of meds. There are plenty of
things shown to improve insulin sensitivity and glucose
tolerance which are OTC.

The real Norm on 3/7/04 12:45 AM at "The real Norm"@socal.rr.com in

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Kidney bean (Phaseolus vulgaris) extract. Prescribed by my
internist (specialty nutrition).

Thanks, thats a good one. However, a study by the Mayo
Clinic confirmed that kidney bean extract can work, but that
the commercial products they tested were not potent enough
to have an effect.

But, kidney bean extract is an alpha-amylase inhibitor.
Acarbose is an alpha-glucosidase inhibitor.

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OTC does not require an $80 doctor visit every few months.

Neither does prescription. But if you are in fact a
diabetic then you do need to see your Dr. for routine tests
every few months.

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Sorry, but there are no diabetes meds available OTC.

That depends on your definition of meds. There are plenty
of things shown

to

Quoted message said:

improve insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance which
are OTC.

Not safely, consistently or proven to do so though.

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With idiotic views like that, you will end up dead SOON NO,
there are NO "alternative" or "natural" things which will do
you any good

Even if there were, most of the "alternatives" on the market
contain little or none of the ingredient that they
advertise.

You can do what those of us who pay our own bills do
BUY OVERSEAS

You STILL need to see the doctor regularly ( maybe stretch
it out to once a year), but you will pay as much as 90% less
for the drugs, and eureopean drugs are SAFER than US.

If you want to do it, email me off-group, and I will give
you info on how to contact reputable overseas pharmacies.

Beware, most reputable overseas pharmacies will want a
prescription from your doctor, or, at least, a label from a
RECENT prescription.. I know of ONE whois used to accept a
sworn statement by you, but I haven't done business with
them for a few years.

To save on doctor's visits and LAB TESTS, be a guinea pig!
local research groups are ALWAYS looking for warm bodies,
particularly warm bodies with diabetes. With a little
effort, you can get ALL your labs done by them, and with a
little more luck, free DOCTORS VISITS..

It is getting so bad that when my wife signed up for a study
last year, they said "if you are ONLY here for a free lab
test, and don't intend to stay in the study now, just tell
us - we will give you the free lab test and keep looking,
rather than give it and have you disappear without notice."

By participating in a research program, I got free eye care
from one of the top experts in Macular edema in the world.
If I hadn't been in a research study he ran, I would NEVER
been able to see him, even if I could have paid for it.

Kev said:

Julie Bove on 3/7/04 12:55 AM at [email hidden]

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"Kev" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Are their any Natural alternatives to Precose/Acarbose or
Miglitol/Glyset?

(Im asking for natural alternatives not because I'm a
freak for natural things, but prescriptions are
expensive.)

These slow the digestion of most starches and complex
sugars by blocking

the

Quoted message said:

enzymes that digest the starches.

And you think OTC things are not expensive?

OTC does not require an $80 doctor visit every few months.

Quoted message said:

Sorry, but there are no diabetes meds available OTC.

That depends on your definition of meds. There are plenty
of things shown to improve insulin sensitivity and glucose
tolerance which are OTC.

Quoted message said:

"Kev" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

OTC does not require an $80 doctor visit every few
months.

Neither does prescription. But if you are in fact a
diabetic then you do need to see your Dr. for routine
tests every few months.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry, but there are no diabetes meds available OTC.

That depends on your definition of meds. There are plenty
of things shown

to

Quoted message said:

improve insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance which
are OTC.

Not safely, consistently or proven to do so though.

There are many studies on chromium, for just one example,
that show it is safe and consistently proven to improve
insulin sensitivity.

Kev said:

The real Norm on 3/7/04 12:45 AM at "The real

Norm'@socal.rr.com in said:

Kidney bean (Phaseolus vulgaris) extract. Prescribed by my
internist (specialty nutrition).

Thanks, thats a good one. However, a study by the Mayo
Clinic confirmed that kidney bean extract can work, but
that the commercial products they tested were not potent
enough to have an effect.

Could you be a little more specific? This is kind of vague.
Regardless of their potency, if you take enough of them, why
wouldn't they have an effect?

Or are you saying the tests of 500 mg capsules showed less
than 500 mg?

As directed by my doctor (specialty nutrition), I use two
500 mg capsules if I slip and over eat non-sugar carbs
(bread, pancakes, pasta, etc.). I was disappointed that I
can't use it with fruit <g>.

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But, kidney bean extract is an alpha-amylase inhibitor.
Acarbose is an alpha-glucosidase inhibitor.

Is this supposed to be meaningful to me? It isn't.

Ted Rosenberg on 3/7/04 11:48 AM at [email hidden] in

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With idiotic views like that, you will end up dead SOON
NO, there are NO "alternative" or "natural" things which
will do you any good

Hey Ted, my question was about other possible alpha-
glucosidase inhibitors. Know of any?

Kev said:

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"Kev" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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OTC does not require an $80 doctor visit every few
months.

Neither does prescription. But if you are in fact a
diabetic then you do need to see your Dr. for routine
tests every few months.

Quoted message said:

>Sorry, but there are no diabetes meds available OTC.

That depends on your definition of meds. There are plenty
of things shown

to

Quoted message said:

improve insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance which
are OTC.

Not safely, consistently or proven to do so though.

There are many studies on chromium, for just one example,
that show it is safe and consistently proven to improve
insulin sensitivity.

Never read a study on chromiun, but my internist (specialty
nutrition) has recently prescribed it for me.

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"Kev" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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OTC does not require an $80 doctor visit every few
months.

Neither does prescription. But if you are in fact a
diabetic then you

do

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need to see your Dr. for routine tests every few months.

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> Sorry, but there are no diabetes meds available OTC.

That depends on your definition of meds. There are
plenty of things

shown

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to

Quoted message said:

improve insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance which
are OTC.

Not safely, consistently or proven to do so though.

There are many studies on chromium, for just one example,
that show it is safe and consistently proven to improve
insulin sensitivity.

And just as many, if not more that have proven that it is
ineffective and unsafe! In particular I refer to chromium
piccolinate.

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Julie Bove on 3/7/04 1:34 PM at [email hidden] in

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> OTC does not require an $80 doctor visit every few
> months.

Neither does prescription. But if you are in fact a
diabetic then you

do

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need to see your Dr. for routine tests every few months.
>
>> Sorry, but there are no diabetes meds available OTC.
>
> That depends on your definition of meds. There are
> plenty of things

shown

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to
> improve insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance which
> are OTC.

Not safely, consistently or proven to do so though.

There are many studies on chromium, for just one example,
that show it is safe and consistently proven to improve
insulin sensitivity.

And just as many, if not more that have proven that it is
ineffective and unsafe! In particular I refer to chromium
piccolinate.

You're right. Don't take chromium picolinate.

NO, the University of Alabama issued a warning that people
who took the stuff were in immediate danger Also, there are
NOT published studies, just scam studies paid for by the
people who own the patent on Chromium Piccolate

Kev said:

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"Kev" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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OTC does not require an $80 doctor visit every few
months.

Neither does prescription. But if you are in fact a
diabetic then you do need to see your Dr. for routine
tests every few months.

Quoted message said:

>Sorry, but there are no diabetes meds available OTC.

That depends on your definition of meds. There are plenty
of things shown

to

Quoted message said:

improve insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance which
are OTC.

Not safely, consistently or proven to do so though.

There are many studies on chromium, for just one example,
that show it is safe and consistently proven to improve
insulin sensitivity.

Kev said:

Ted Rosenberg on 3/7/04 11:48 AM at [email hidden]

in said:

With idiotic views like that, you will end up dead SOON
NO, there are NO "alternative" or "natural" things which
will do you any good

Hey Ted, my question was about other possible alpha-
glucosidase inhibitors. Know of any?

No

Ted Rosenberg on 3/7/04 5:11 PM at [email hidden] in

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NO, the University of Alabama issued a warning that people
who took the stuff were in immediate danger

That was on the picolinate form and came out because of the
study showing chromosome damage. You might want to warn the
University of Pennsylvania Department of Medicine who is
starting a new study on chromium. It was reported last week
that "the 20-week study will assess the effects of
nutritional supplementation with 1,000 mcg of chromium per
day, as chromium picolinate on insulin resistance and other
cardiovascular factors in adults with Metabolic Syndrome."
Those poor people are in immediate danger, and they don't
even know it. You can save them!

I really don't want to defend chromium picolinate since in
vitro, and high-dose animal studies show it caused
chromosome damage. However, other forms were shown not to
cause this damage.

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Also, there are NOT published studies, just scam studies
paid for by the people who own the patent on Chromium
Piccolate

Wow. You're really ignorant and you seem to be intent on
staying that way. There are many perfectly good studies. For
a nice overview of the research, read this:

The safety and efficacy of high-dose chromium. Altern Med
Rev. 2002 Jun;7(3):218-35. Review. PMID: 12126463

You can get the full article from the link on PubMed. If you
can refute the information in that article, I would love to
hear it. Maybe you can educate me and save me from myself.