pre-run snack

"Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Suppose one is going to run for 8-20 hours would your father still suggest
no food?

Absolutely not Doug, and I'm not sure how you read what I
typed and took it to mean "don't eat food before 100 mile
ultra events that take up an entire day"... but hey, think what
you want.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton ON)
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Of course, I eat that peanut butter where you have to stir in the oil
that settles at the top (including all the rat feces). :-)

Rat HAIRS, and mouse FECES. Get it right will you?

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For me, if I go running in the morning (i.e. I have not had food for
8-10 hours) then I must eat something. If I don't I will not make 10k
nevermind a longer distance

So what happens at 10k? Do you shrivel up and dissapear? Or do you just feel
hungry?

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(shall we compare bowel movements?

I'm drinking my coffee right now, so if we're having a contest, you'd better
get back to me within 15 minutes or so.

"FabulustRunner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You may not have been around much, Doug comes from the perspective of
an
ultra runner. Ultra runners eat "real" food. The intensity of the
exercise
is low enough that food can actually be digested.

Well I guess I could digest food if I was going for a "walk" too, but
I run.

Now you just playing the role of an ignorant troll. The little
credibility you had is going in the dumper.

-DF

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Now you just playing the role of an ignorant troll.

Not at all. He is defeniately correct that ultra *jogging* is certainly
different than the pace of a 5k. How would I lose credibility with that
statement?

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The little
credibility you had

So we start out with no credibility here, and work our way up?

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Now you just playing the role of an ignorant troll.

Not at all. He is defeniately correct that ultra *jogging* is certainly
different than the pace of a 5k. How would I lose credibility with that
statement?

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The little
credibility you had

So we start out with no credibility here, and work our way up?

FabulustRunner said:

Quoted message said:

Of course, I eat that peanut butter where you have to stir in the oil
that settles at the top (including all the rat feces). :-)

Rat HAIRS, and mouse FECES. Get it right will you?

Quoted message said:

For me, if I go running in the morning (i.e. I have not had food for
8-10 hours) then I must eat something. If I don't I will not make 10k
nevermind a longer distance

So what happens at 10k? Do you shrivel up and dissapear? Or do you just feel
hungry?

I don't know. I didn't make it to 10k. I cut my run short at 6.3k (I
know because of my Forerunner and my log book).

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(shall we compare bowel movements?

I'm drinking my coffee right now, so if we're having a contest, you'd better
get back to me within 15 minutes or so.

Well, I do 3 to 4 big movements per day. I won't go into how many coils
they are.

I have seen the doctor about this and everything seems normal (thyroid
and other stuff that I really don't understand) so it appears that I am
literally full of [censored]. :-)

"FabulustRunner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Now you just playing the role of an ignorant troll.

Not at all. He is defeniately correct that ultra *jogging* is
certainly
different than the pace of a 5k. How would I lose credibility with
that
statement?

You said in you senior moment, " Well I guess I could digest food if I
was going for a "walk" too, but I run." It's childish claptrap showing
how little you know and the maturity of grape tomato.

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So we start out with no credibility here, and work our way up?

You were given a boat load but you keep making an ass out of yourself.
If it walks like a duck.....

-DF

Leafing through rec.running, I read 's message of 10 Nov 2004:

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Exactly. It is a personal experience which is all I have tried to say
apart from quoting some sources that indicate that for many people
running 45 minutes to 4 hours after a meal can (or may) have benefits.

Right. All we're doing is throwing out ideas of what to try. I've tried
several variations and found what works for me. Likewise for you.

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I'm not sure if Smart Guy is like me or if he is trying to eat a
pre-run snack in the hopes of boosting his running performance. I find
his original post to be ambiguous on this matter.

We may never know, since he has yet to reply since the oringal post.

Phil M.

--
"What counts in battle is what you do once the pain sets in." -John Short,
South African coach.

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I don't know. I didn't make it to 10k. I cut my run short at 6.3k (I
know because of my Forerunner and my log book).

In other words you didn't even try. Keep running and the hunger passes quickly.

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I won't go into how many coils
they are.

Is this classified info?

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so it appears that I am
literally full of [censored]. :-)

That's no surprise, you eat when you don't need to.

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You said in you senior moment, " Well I guess I could digest food if I
was going for a "walk" too, but I run." It's childish claptrap showing
how little you know and the maturity of grape tomato.

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So we start out with no credibility here, and work our way up?

You were given a boat load but you keep making an ass out of yourself.
If it walks like a duck.....

-DF

You are more rude than McBrowse <PLONK>

FabulustRunner said:

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I don't know. I didn't make it to 10k. I cut my run short at 6.3k (I
know because of my Forerunner and my log book).

In other words you didn't even try. Keep running and the hunger passes quickly.

Fair enough. I have not tested the eating/not eating with my runs in any
kind of scientific way. My sample is also way to small.

However, I have gone through my entire life, including when I played
soccer as a child/teenager (as a midfielder which is a running
position), where I have always eaten about an hour before exercise.

It makes me feel comfortable. The few times that I haven't had anything
to eat I was either sluggish, dizzy or hungry (even when I had pasta
meals or potato/yam meals the night before).

It also is scientifically documented by Tim Noakes that eating 45
minutes to 4 hours before exercise can be beneficial for some (perhaps
even most) people.

Once again, everyone should take his/her own experience into account. I
do that and supplement it with the best scientific knowledge where
possible. I believe Tim Noakes and his synthesis of research material
does a better job than a few personal experiences related in a newsgroup.

I also think that the other links that I have provided have demonstrated
that eating a snack before a run really isn't rocket science.

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You were given a boat load but you keep making an ass out of yourself.
If it walks like a duck.....

-DF

You are more rude than McBrowse <PLONK>

I resent that! I've tried very hard to be rude to you and this is the thanks
I get!? Doug is just being himself, not rude, just correct.

Surf <I suspect you will eventually plonk everyone (unless of course you are
Wobbit, start taking your Effexor will ya!)>

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"Smart Guy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Does anyone have any suggestions for pre-run snacks? I typically run
early
in the morning. I get up about 1 hour before I run and I am looking for
something that I can eat quickly that will give me wheat I need but that
isn't too heavy.

Who told you you had to eat before running? The
energy for your run won't come from food eaten an
hour earlier.

I don't eat anything either, except a little milk in my tea.

Donna

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hour earlier.

I don't eat anything either, except a little milk in my tea.

Donna >>

You have my heart-felt
Sympathy!

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However, I have gone through my entire life, including when I played
soccer as a child/teenager (as a midfielder which is a running
position), where I have always eaten about an hour before exercise.

That's what you're used to, but it's not necasarily the best. Perhaps if you
tried it with just a sports drink in your stomach your performance may improve.
I'm just trying to disspell the myth you are burning what's in your stomach for
fuel, because there's just not enough time for that. Also as others have
pointed out, it takes blood away from your heart and lungs and diverts it to
your stomach for digestion.

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It makes me feel comfortable. The few times that I haven't had anything
to eat I was either sluggish, dizzy or hungry (even when I had pasta
meals or potato/yam meals the night before).

Just a sports drink would cure that.

Quoted message said:

It also is scientifically documented by Tim Noakes that eating 45
minutes to 4 hours before exercise can be beneficial for some (perhaps
even most) people.

If you run for 4 hours after eating yes, but not on shorter runs.

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Once again, everyone should take his/her own experience into account.

Let's do that then. I've tried every way imaginable. You just posted you've
never done it any other way. Who has more experience on this?

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I also think that the other links that I have provided have demonstrated
that eating a snack before a run really isn't rocket science.

True, it's well documented that you are diverting blood away from "performance"
to digest food instead.

"Jason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I also think that the other links that I have provided have
demonstrated that eating a snack before a run really isn't rocket
science.

Precisely! He is right and the world is wrong - just ask him. 🙂 If I
ran with an stomach full of only morning coffee I'd likely blow lunch
even at a slow pace. Toast, bagel, banana, a little peanut butter are
just few that will work quickly. The GI the quicker it enters your
system. I'd probably pass on the beef jerky unless I was running more
than an hour. 😉

-DF

"FabulustRunner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You said in you senior moment, " Well I guess I could digest food if
I
was going for a "walk" too, but I run." It's childish claptrap
showing
how little you know and the maturity of grape tomato.

Quoted message said:

So we start out with no credibility here, and work our way up?

You were given a boat load but you keep making an ass out of yourself.
If it walks like a duck.....

-DF

You are more rude than McBrowse <PLONK>

LMFAO!!!

-DF

FabulustRunner said:

Quoted message said:

However, I have gone through my entire life, including when I played
soccer as a child/teenager (as a midfielder which is a running
position), where I have always eaten about an hour before exercise.

That's what you're used to, but it's not necasarily the best. Perhaps if you
tried it with just a sports drink in your stomach your performance may improve.

Good point. I may try that in the future when I am no longer a running
novice.

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I'm just trying to disspell the myth you are burning what's in your stomach for
fuel, because there's just not enough time for that. Also as others have
pointed out, it takes blood away from your heart and lungs and diverts it to
your stomach for digestion.

I honestly don't know if it does that or not and I don't care. The
reason I need food in my stomach is that I am often hungry after 6 hours
of non-eating. When I wake up for a morning run (I generally run at
night) I usually haven't had food for 8-10 hours so I am a starvin'
marvin'.

Quoted message said:

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It makes me feel comfortable. The few times that I haven't had anything
to eat I was either sluggish, dizzy or hungry (even when I had pasta
meals or potato/yam meals the night before).

Just a sports drink would cure that.

Quoted message said:

It also is scientifically documented by Tim Noakes that eating 45
minutes to 4 hours before exercise can be beneficial for some (perhaps
even most) people.

If you run for 4 hours after eating yes, but not on shorter runs.

No, as I have already quoted in my post above: eating 45 mintues to 4
hours before a run may enhance performance depending on the sensitivity
to food.

Did you even read the quotes provided?

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Once again, everyone should take his/her own experience into account.

Let's do that then. I've tried every way imaginable. You just posted you've
never done it any other way. Who has more experience on this?

Fair enough. I have done some experimenting too. I prefer to stick with
what works for me which also happens to agree to scientific evidence
that is contrary to your position.

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I also think that the other links that I have provided have demonstrated
that eating a snack before a run really isn't rocket science.

True, it's well documented that you are diverting blood away from "performance"
to digest food instead.

Oh, is that whay they stated? I think that is what you have stated with
little scientific evidence to demonstrate that performance is harmed.

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Good point. I may try that in the future when I am no longer a running
novice.

I promise you, the hunger pangs will pass.

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I honestly don't know if it does that or not and I don't care. The
reason I need food in my stomach is that I am often hungry after 6 hours
of non-eating. When I wake up for a morning run (I generally run at
night) I usually haven't had food for 8-10 hours so I am a starvin'
marvin'.

I think we all wake up empty.