Pre-cursor steroids

Mike said:

Pre-cursor steroids, The previously undetectable drugs used by bicycle
racers over the last years is now easily detected by a new kit made by
Sandoz http://www.sandozfondation.ch/en/pharma/novartis.html

The drugs are easy to get:

http://www.hybridpharmaceutical.com/pages/4/index.htm

http://www.stridesarco.com/products/steroids.htm

[censored] Pound, the President of WADA, has been tasked to see cycling become a
sport clean of drugs within the next year, with the new test.

Lance Armstrong is attacking and calling for the firing of the [censored] Pound,
the President of the WADA. A man he doesn't know.

Put this in context:
Pound was quoted in the January 28 edition of Le Monde as saying, "the
riders of the Tour de France and the others take banned substances."

Source:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/mar04/mar05news2

WADA is an organization of action, it's not a PR organization. I am a
huge advocate of WADA, USADA, drug controls, random controls, out of
competition controls. I have donated money to the UCI over the years to
increase [drug controls].

"I have nothing personal against [censored] Pound at all, and I respect WADA.
If they went away, I would be one really upset guy. But I think WADA
needs to instill confidence in the athletes. Athletes need to be
confident that WADA's programs are run by equal and fair and
straightforward people.

Source:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/mar04/mar07news

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Lance is being very
evasive because he is afraid of the new drug testing panels that include
pre-cursor steroids.

This is speculation.

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He is considering leaving and retiring to avoid the new
drug testing, this option gives him a great future in marketing products,
and not being identified as a "Cheater". It is the only way out for Lance.
Lance Armstrong is Dirty, so get used to it.

This could be considered libelous.

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Many people, including myself have seen Lance and other racers, some of the
shakes, and jerky movements, and twitching at times during races, this was
reported in the press, too.
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/sequence/0,2-3242,1-0,0.html

Yeah, a big race should have everyone calm as banana slug.

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New regulations are in process :
http://energycommerce.house.gov/108/Letters/03252003_857.htm

http://www.allsportsnutrition.com/productshow.php

You may not like what is in the email, but that's what hapening. Accept it
and just deal with it, The sport will change for the better.

Patric Goetz

Office -- [email hidden]

Sounds like stormtroopers will be arriving any day, this should instill
confidence and ensure a clean sport.

"Mike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Patric Goetz

Dearest crack smoking Nipplehead,
Just woke up from a crack induced coma eh? Prohormones have been banned and
detectable for quite some time, since in most drug tests they set of the
metabolites of the drug they mimick sending back a positive test.
Please...take another hit off the pipe
Dave

"Mike" <@uni-berlin.de...

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Pre-cursor steroids, The previously undetectable drugs used by bicycle
racers over the last years is now easily detected by a new kit made by
Sandoz http://www.sandozfondation.ch/en/pharma/novartis.html

The drugs are easy to get:

http://www.hybridpharmaceutical.com/pages/4/index.htm

http://www.stridesarco.com/products/steroids.htm

[censored] Pound, the President of WADA, has been tasked to see cycling become a
sport clean of drugs within the next year, with the new test.

Lance Armstrong is attacking and calling for the firing of the [censored] Pound,
the President of the WADA. A man he doesn't know. Lance is being very
evasive because he is afraid of the new drug testing panels that include
pre-cursor steroids. He is considering leaving and retiring to avoid the

new

I sure hope you don't work anywhere near the Human Physiology Lab at U.
Texas.
It is my hope you're basemented somewhere in the computer dept. where it's
all-too-easy to take ignorant potshots at true champions.

-Ken

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Patric Goetz

Office -- [email hidden]

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From: "Ken Papai" [email hidden]

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I sure hope you don't work anywhere near the Human Physiology Lab at U.
Texas.
It is my hope you're basemented somewhere in the computer dept. where it's
all-too-easy to take ignorant potshots at true champions.

-Ken

It woul be so [censored] nice to see people actually have some solid verifiable
information, that we all could check on too before they start spouting [censored]
about people, their motivation, and whatever the hell else they feel like
slamming today.
Go ride your [censored] bikes.
(yes I am in a pissy mood after trying to keep a great race from getting
FUBARed by dumbass (insert string of cusing) idiots in cars.)
Race finished well. 45+ and Cat 5 breaks both basically sprinted together,
raced who they were supposed to and did a great job.
Thanks
Bill C

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From: "Ken Papai" [email hidden]

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I sure hope you don't work anywhere near the Human Physiology Lab at U.
Texas.
It is my hope you're basemented somewhere in the computer dept. where

it's

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all-too-easy to take ignorant potshots at true champions.

-Ken

It woul be so [censored] nice to see people actually have some solid

verifiable

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information, that we all could check on too before they start spouting

[censored]

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about people, their motivation, and whatever the hell else they feel like
slamming today.
Go ride your [censored] bikes.
(yes I am in a pissy mood after trying to keep a great race from getting
FUBARed by dumbass (insert string of cusing) idiots in cars.)
Race finished well. 45+ and Cat 5 breaks both basically sprinted

together,

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raced who they were supposed to and did a great job.
Thanks
Bill C

While getting a nice 70 miler with 5,500 ft of climbing in today, my cycling
buddy suggested that the Tour/UCI should require that all Tour team leaders
ride a specific number of races from a list during the 3 months leading to
the Tour. During those three months, they would undergo daily urine and
weekly blood profiles. During the Tour, no team or rider would be allowed
to employ or obtain the services of a physician other than one assigned to
each team by the Tour organization in the event of a medical need. No
supplements, other than vitamins would be allowed. No intravenous drips of
saline (or anything) would be allowed. Team leaders would be subject to
daily urine testing and blood profiling at least once a week, plus at the
start of the race. My friend also suggested sequestering teams at their
hotels. While that would be desirable, it may be impractical. Anyone not
agreeing, need not ride the Tour.

He got the idea for this from Henri Desgrange who at one time made all the
Tour riders eat the same food and use the same machines. I think the idea
has some charm to it.

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From: "Mike"

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[censored] Pound, the President of WADA, has been tasked to see cycling become a
sport clean of drugs within the next year, with the new test.

No sports will ever be "clean of drugs". Don't think for an instant that Pound
really believes his "task statement", which he "wrote" for himself, anyway.
Pound is a money and power man. He is selling "clean sports" to advertisers:

http://www.nsb.com/speakerbio.asp?i_speakerid=358

A "skilled negotiator", Pound has managed to put himself into what seems at a
glance to be a morally superior position inre athletes gaining (or trying to
gain) an edge by using banned substances. The breakdown here is similar to that
with the "War on Drugs": the human cost is high, while lots of people still "do
drugs"-- IOW, the human cost has been and is being paid in vain.

As with most things, "follow the money" to find real motivation.

Are you the Patric Goetz so prominent in the following link's posts? Leader of
Critical Mass (which proclaims it doesn't have a leader)? Link:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Patric+Goetz&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=
d&selm=2nb76tFu7n8iU1%40uni-berlin.de&rnum=1

or per Tiny conversion: <http://tinyurl.com/6pd3p>

A goodie from the above URL (correct me if these are the words of another
"Patric Goetz", or are not your own posted words):

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For example and in point of
fact, traffic lights have NOTHING whatsoever to do with safety and (snipped

reply)

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everything to do with allowing cars to drive faster than they would
otherwise be able to do in a situation where there might be contention for
right of way. Traffic lights ARE A SAFETY HAZARD; an accident waiting to
happen, (snipped reply)

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as we all know from either personal experience or reading the

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paper. Ditto for 4-way stops, although these are considerably less likely
to result in fatalities than traffic lights.

To state the painfully obvious, the writer above has some extremely serious
problems regarding his grip on reality.

Frankly, I'm amused by the image of the stereotypical Critical Mass rider
getting into bed with the likes of a big-bucks lawyer like Pound. I think we're
seeing a fairly extreme lycra allergy reaction here. Perhaps the reason for
slagging Armstrong in a "race" ng, also? --Tom Paterson

"TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Go ride your [censored] bikes.
(yes I am in a pissy mood after trying to keep a great race from getting
FUBARed by dumbass (insert string of cusing) idiots in cars.)
Race finished well. 45+ and Cat 5 breaks both basically sprinted

together,

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raced who they were supposed to and did a great job.

I rode from Dailey City to Pacifica and then rode over an old mule track
that had later been a road and now is almost a mule track again that goes
around the backside of Devil's Slide area of Highway 1 south of San
Francisco. The guys I was with didn't want to climb back up over that broken
road on road bikes so we returned over Highway 1 past Devil's Slide. I spent
four or five miles in a cold sweat as cars passed within inches of me since
there're no shoulders along that section and the road is only a narrow two
lanes with continuous traffic.

Going over the top and starting down towards Pacifica again I got up to
about 30 and cars weren't passing. Finally I looked back and there was a 3/4
pickup just cruising back there at a good distance with cars lined up behind
him. Down the hill for about a mile or so and I got to a place where I could
pull over and let them by. The guy waved as he went by.

Every once in awhile I like cars.

And then Kloden would load up on drugs and win the race

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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From: "Ken Papai" [email hidden]

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I sure hope you don't work anywhere near the Human Physiology Lab at U.
Texas.
It is my hope you're basemented somewhere in the computer dept. where

it's

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all-too-easy to take ignorant potshots at true champions.

-Ken

It woul be so [censored] nice to see people actually have some solid

verifiable

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information, that we all could check on too before they start spouting

[censored]

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about people, their motivation, and whatever the hell else they feel

like

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slamming today.
Go ride your [censored] bikes.
(yes I am in a pissy mood after trying to keep a great race from

getting

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FUBARed by dumbass (insert string of cusing) idiots in cars.)
Race finished well. 45+ and Cat 5 breaks both basically sprinted

together,

Quoted message said:

raced who they were supposed to and did a great job.
Thanks
Bill C

While getting a nice 70 miler with 5,500 ft of climbing in today, my

cycling

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buddy suggested that the Tour/UCI should require that all Tour team

leaders

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ride a specific number of races from a list during the 3 months leading to
the Tour. During those three months, they would undergo daily urine and
weekly blood profiles. During the Tour, no team or rider would be allowed
to employ or obtain the services of a physician other than one assigned to
each team by the Tour organization in the event of a medical need. No
supplements, other than vitamins would be allowed. No intravenous drips

of

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saline (or anything) would be allowed. Team leaders would be subject to
daily urine testing and blood profiling at least once a week, plus at the
start of the race. My friend also suggested sequestering teams at their
hotels. While that would be desirable, it may be impractical. Anyone not
agreeing, need not ride the Tour.

He got the idea for this from Henri Desgrange who at one time made all the
Tour riders eat the same food and use the same machines. I think the idea
has some charm to it.

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From: "Tom Kunich" [email hidden]

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I spent
four or five miles in a cold sweat as cars passed within inches of me since
there're no shoulders along that section and the road is only a narrow two
lanes with continuous traffic.

There had to have been something in the air yesterday. The level of stupidity
was off the scale. The race goes uphill from the start about 1 mile, at the
half mile mark I had a car come blowing out around the field then try to cut
through the field to make the right turn we were. So here's me staying between
the field and the car, blowing the horn, making sure that if the idiot did turn
right she'd have to hit me first. We got to the turn and a marshall saw what
was going on and came out so that the field and I could go right inside him,
and he held the car.
That was just the first incident in a LONG day. End result none of my people
crashed and the race worked out pretty much the way it would've without the
cars.
Bil C

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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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He got the idea for this from Henri Desgrange who at one time made all the
Tour riders eat the same food and use the same machines. I think the idea
has some charm to it.

Yeah! And you could require all the riders to only take the same number of
pedal strokes or have the same pressure in their tires. They could all have
the same sponsor's name on their jerseys and they could all get haircuts
from the same barber.