Prayer overdose?

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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An eight year old autistic boy died Friday while a faith-healing group
encircled him, placed their hands on him, and prayed to "drive out the
spirits" they believe possessed him.

Sad that.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Midwest/08/24/autistic.boy.death/index.html

http://tinyurl.com/l43b

--Rich

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Yes

So what's your point about this?
Are you saying that prayer is a bad thing? Or just that these people are
bad?
There are millions of people attending prayer services every week, confident
secure 'safe' people.
hardly any of them are doing exorcisms on 'handicapped people' In fact a lot
of them help the community and do their thing to making the world a better
place. To them their faith is a 'community thing' and to boot they hope for
a reward as the afterlife.
Why not post this on a religious ng and see the response?
It has little relevance in this ng, unless you are using it as a stick to
beat people with?
Anth

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An eight year old autistic boy died Friday while a faith-healing group
encircled him, placed their hands on him, and prayed to "drive out the
spirits" they believe possessed him.

Sad that.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Midwest/08/24/autistic.boy.death/index.html

http://tinyurl.com/l43b

--Rich

This is both 'alternative' medicine and 'alternative' religion. Few
religious people of any faith now adhere to such archaic superstition. It
is the same kind of fundamentalism that sees murder as a route to paradise.

Peter Moran

Rich Shewmaker said:

An eight year old autistic boy died Friday while a faith-healing group
encircled him, placed their hands on him,and prayed to "drive out the
spirits" they believe possessed him.

Well, he's no longer posessedd by any spirit at all, so I guess
it's a cure.

Tsu Dho Nimh

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When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.

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Oh, why not post all the anti-conventional medicine, INFLAMMATORY rhetoric

in

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sci-med group? This merits some mention in MHA because more than a few

alts

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tout prayer as an Effective alt-method. It appears that it may have

undesired

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side effects as it is part of a piece-meal system.

1st I don't tout prayer as alternative, and imo prayer has an objective
effect.
I could post Gonzalzez/Kelley on the sci.med or whatever and get flamed, I
doubt anyong would have the balls to stand up on that ng.
I'm sure Dr Gonzalez would.

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It has little relevance in this ng, unless you are using it as a stick to
beat people with?

See above.

Rubbish and you know it, it was a carefully crafted post attacking the
people who have religious beliefs and nothing more.

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Anth

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Ohh, well, then, if its all about them securing a place at God's right

hand, do

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you think they'd let their zealotry get the better of them? This isn't

the

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same thing as a homocide bombing, but you can see they are on the same
continuum.

It is, I see 70 year old grannies with their shopping baskets loaded with
TNT, doing regular suicide bombings every saturday.
Bleh....
Anth

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Rubbish and you know it, it was a carefully crafted post attacking the
people who have religious beliefs and nothing more.

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Anth

I have no interest in attacking people who have religious beliefs. But I
have little patience with child abuse, and this would have been abuse of the
cruelest sort even if the child had not died. Do you know any autistic
children? Most, if not all, of them dislike being touched, even by members
of their own families. A whole group of strangers, restraining an autistic
child and "laying on hands" to pray for him is nothing short of pure
terrorism. Why I would be frightened to be the center of such attention
myself. When you get the urge to pray for someone, by all means, do so, but
keep your hands to yourself unless you have explicit permission to touch.
And in the case of autistics, perhaps a little "distance healing" might be
in order.

--Rich

I do know some autistic children - my sister who is 'handicapped' works with
them, and some of them love to be hugged.
I lost most of my interest in prayers when they 'failed' my mother, and yet
I am still told that my prayers were answered
in the fact that they didn't suffer as much as she could have - go figure!
Anth

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Rubbish and you know it, it was a carefully crafted post attacking the
people who have religious beliefs and nothing more.

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>Anth

I have no interest in attacking people who have religious beliefs. But I
have little patience with child abuse, and this would have been abuse of

the

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cruelest sort even if the child had not died. Do you know any autistic
children? Most, if not all, of them dislike being touched, even by members
of their own families. A whole group of strangers, restraining an autistic
child and "laying on hands" to pray for him is nothing short of pure
terrorism. Why I would be frightened to be the center of such attention
myself. When you get the urge to pray for someone, by all means, do so,

but

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keep your hands to yourself unless you have explicit permission to touch.
And in the case of autistics, perhaps a little "distance healing" might be
in order.

--Rich

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Oh, why not post all the anti-conventional medicine, INFLAMMATORY rhetoric

in

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sci-med group? This merits some mention in MHA because more than a few

alts

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tout prayer as an Effective alt-method. It appears that it may have

undesired

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side effects as it is part of a piece-meal system.

1st I don't tout prayer as alternative, and imo prayer has an objective
effect.

It worked really well for that autistic child, didn't it? Yup, he'll never
suffer from anything now that he was smothered with prayers from true
believers. Do you know of any verifiable, objective, _Positive_ effects from
prayer?

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I could post Gonzalzez/Kelley on the sci.med or whatever and get flamed, I
doubt anyong would have the balls to stand up on that ng.
I'm sure Dr Gonzalez would.

Try it and see...otherwise, Yawn.

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It has little relevance in this ng, unless you are using it as a stick to
beat people with?

See above.

Rubbish and you know it, it was a carefully crafted post attacking the
people who have religious beliefs and nothing more.

No, it was an article about how superstitious, self-righteous [censored] killed a
child because they would rather believe in demon-possession and DENY REAL
DISEASES, like autism.

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Rich Shewmaker said:

An eight year old autistic boy died Friday while a faith-healing group
encircled him, placed their hands on him,and prayed to "drive out the
spirits" they believe possessed him.

Well, he's no longer posessedd by any spirit at all, so I guess
it's a cure.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I wonder if the perp is going to get a similar "cure" for his crime.

r

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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic."

Arthur C. Clarke (1917 - ), "Technology and the Future"

Rich Andrews said:

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Rich Shewmaker said:

An eight year old autistic boy died Friday while a faith-healing group
encircled him, placed their hands on him,and prayed to "drive out the
spirits" they believe possessed him.

Well, he's no longer posessedd by any spirit at all, so I guess
it's a cure.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I wonder if the perp is going to get a similar "cure" for his crime.

It's been declared a homicide.

"wrapping" is one way of dealing with a person on a bad trip, but
even in the hippie free clinic days, it was always with somone
who was stone cold straight sitting by them, monitoring their
breathing.

Tsu Dho Nimh

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When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.

No, the perps will not. The scared and uninformed parents will.
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Rich Shewmaker said:

An eight year old autistic boy died Friday while a faith-healing group
encircled him, placed their hands on him,and prayed to "drive out the
spirits" they believe possessed him.

Well, he's no longer posessedd by any spirit at all, so I guess
it's a cure.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I wonder if the perp is going to get a similar "cure" for his crime.

r

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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic."

Arthur C. Clarke (1917 - ), "Technology and the Future"

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Rich Andrews said:

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"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>An eight year old autistic boy died Friday while a faith-healing group
>encircled him, placed their hands on him,and prayed to "drive out the
>spirits" they believe possessed him.

Well, he's no longer posessedd by any spirit at all, so I guess
it's a cure.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I wonder if the perp is going to get a similar "cure" for his crime.

It's been declared a homicide.

"wrapping" is one way of dealing with a person on a bad trip,

And a dumb ass way of torturing someone. Only used by idiots.

but

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even in the hippie free clinic days, it was always with somone
who was stone cold straight sitting by them, monitoring their
breathing.

Tsu Dho Nimh

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When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.

David said:

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"wrapping" is one way of dealing with a person on a bad trip,

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And a dumb ass way of torturing someone. Only used by idiots.

It's actually quite effective, and calms them down, but labor
intensive. You have to have one person watchng the wrapped
person at all times.

Tsu Dho Nimh

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When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.

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No, the perps will not. The scared and uninformed parents will.

What are you talking about?

r

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"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>An eight year old autistic boy died Friday while a faith-healing

group

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>encircled him, placed their hands on him,and prayed to "drive out the
>spirits" they believe possessed him.

Well, he's no longer posessedd by any spirit at all, so I guess
it's a cure.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I wonder if the perp is going to get a similar "cure" for his crime.

r

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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic."

Arthur C. Clarke (1917 - ), "Technology and the Future"

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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic."

Arthur C. Clarke (1917 - ), "Technology and the Future"

Wait and see. I hope that I am wrong.
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No, the perps will not. The scared and uninformed parents will.

What are you talking about?

r

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> "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>An eight year old autistic boy died Friday while a faith-healing

group

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>>encircled him, placed their hands on him,and prayed to "drive out the
>>spirits" they believe possessed him.
>
> Well, he's no longer posessedd by any spirit at all, so I guess
> it's a cure.
>
> Tsu Dho Nimh
>

I wonder if the perp is going to get a similar "cure" for his crime.

r

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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic."

Arthur C. Clarke (1917 - ), "Technology and the Future"

--
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic."

Arthur C. Clarke (1917 - ), "Technology and the Future"