Prat with a rock

the.Mark said:

All I can think of is why?

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/home/pages/V4/L2/S18/sport_Lng2_Spo18_Sto636529.shtml

Because the Irish bloke in Greece didn't get a proper bollocking.

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the.Mark said:

All I can think of is why?

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/home/pages/V4/L2/S18/sport_Lng2_Spo18_Sto636529.shtml

Quoted message said:

Because the Irish bloke in Greece didn't get a proper bollocking.

Inevitably he was British. Sometimes I cringe...

You're right about the Irish priest who took out the leader of the
marathon. Or the people who defaced the Parliament building on its
opening day. Ruining what other people have put a huge amount of effort
into either 'for fun' or to gain publicity for some sectional interest
is so _bloody_ selfish, so disrespectful.

Quite apart from the fact that hurling a rock into the peleton was quite
likely to lead to serious injuries. Like Danny's fishing line. This
sort of behaviour should not be tolerated at all.

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The mad Irish priest and this British prat should spend a couple of years
breaking rocks in some hell hole.
Then as a teacher we had in school used to say...

"They'd get the message" ;-)

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:35:06 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Doki

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the.Mark said:

All I can think of is why?

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/home/pages/V4/L2/S18/sport_Lng2_Spo18_Sto636529.shtml

Quoted message said:

Because the Irish bloke in Greece didn't get a proper bollocking.

Inevitably he was British. Sometimes I cringe...

You're right about the Irish priest who took out the leader of the
marathon. Or the people who defaced the Parliament building on its
opening day. Ruining what other people have put a huge amount of effort
into either 'for fun' or to gain publicity for some sectional interest
is so _bloody_ selfish, so disrespectful.

Quite apart from the fact that hurling a rock into the peleton was quite
likely to lead to serious injuries. Like Danny's fishing line. This
sort of behaviour should not be tolerated at all.

Unfortunately, the more press it gets, the more the nutters out there
will want to do this sort of thing ...................

Hazards of the world we live in today folks !!! Not really a lot you
can do ............

Gearóid Ó Laoi/Garry Lee said:

The mad Irish priest and this British prat should spend a couple of years
breaking rocks in some hell hole.
Then as a teacher we had in school used to say...

"They'd get the message" ;-)

Really. The "mad Irish priest" is mentally ill and according to some
accounts, seriously disturbed. Do you think that breaking rocks is an
appropriate way of dealing with that?

Daniele
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D.M. Procida (') said:

Gearóid Ó Laoi/Garry Lee said:

The mad Irish priest and this British prat should spend a couple of
years breaking rocks in some hell hole.
Then as a teacher we had in school used to say...

"They'd get the message" ;-)

Really. The "mad Irish priest" is mentally ill and according to some
accounts, seriously disturbed. Do you think that breaking rocks is an
appropriate way of dealing with that?

This is where my wet liberalism gets tangled with my pragmatic streak.
It is not humane to punish the mentally ill, nor will punishing the
priest deter other severely disturbed people form doing similar things.
But it may deter the casual viciousness and destructiveness of the rock
hurler or the fishing-line specialist.

Certainly the fact that the priest essentially walked away from the
incident is not a good thing for anyone - even him - and sends a very
bad message to other potential malefactors. I've no doubt he is in
practice receiving some degree of psychiatric supervision (although our
community psychiatric services are horribly overstretched) but
nevertheless it does seem to me that he would now be a candidate for
electronic tagging, and a curfew order banning him from attending
sporting events - probably for life.

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Simon Brooke said:

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D.M. Procida (') said:

Gearóid Ó Laoi/Garry Lee said:

The mad Irish priest and this British prat should spend a couple of
years breaking rocks in some hell hole.
Then as a teacher we had in school used to say...

"They'd get the message" ;-)

Really. The "mad Irish priest" is mentally ill and according to some
accounts, seriously disturbed. Do you think that breaking rocks is an
appropriate way of dealing with that?

This is where my wet liberalism gets tangled with my pragmatic streak.
It is not humane to punish the mentally ill, nor will punishing the
priest deter other severely disturbed people form doing similar things.
But it may deter the casual viciousness and destructiveness of the rock
hurler or the fishing-line specialist.

Certainly the fact that the priest essentially walked away from the
incident is not a good thing for anyone - even him - and sends a very
bad message to other potential malefactors. I've no doubt he is in
practice receiving some degree of psychiatric supervision (although our
community psychiatric services are horribly overstretched) but
nevertheless it does seem to me that he would now be a candidate for
electronic tagging, and a curfew order banning him from attending
sporting events - probably for life.

Isn't there a big difference between mental illness that makes people do
weird but essentially harmless-to-others things, and mental illness that
causes people to do things that actually hurt other people. It seems to
me that the latter should be locked up - for our safety. The mad priest
falls into the latter category.

As to the rock thrower, if he turns out to be ill, then the same
applies, if he's considered sane - hang him by the road.

R.

The Oldfellow said:

Isn't there a big difference between mental illness that makes people do
weird but essentially harmless-to-others things, and mental illness that
causes people to do things that actually hurt other people.

No, there isn't.

Quoted message said:

It seems to me that the latter should be locked up - for our safety.

What, forever? Until they magically get better after being locked up?
Alternatively, the mentally ill should be able to receive appropriate
treatment...

Simply locking him up isn't going to benefit anyone. Also, the
allegations of indecency against him are rather more serious than the
crime of having spoilt a running race.

Daniele
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Quoted message said:

As to the rock thrower, if he turns out to be ill, then the same
applies, if he's considered sane - hang him by the road.

A bit extreme. The traditional urc punishment would be sufficient and would
probably curb his violent tendancies too.

D.M. Procida said:

The Oldfellow said:

Isn't there a big difference between mental illness that makes people do
weird but essentially harmless-to-others things, and mental illness that
causes people to do things that actually hurt other people.

No, there isn't.

Matter of opinion. I happen to think my right to enjoy my life is more
important than his right to ruin it - just because he's ill.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It seems to me that the latter should be locked up - for our safety.

What, forever? Until they magically get better after being locked up?
Alternatively, the mentally ill should be able to receive appropriate
treatment...

I didn't say - forwever. Just until the poor chap isn't a threat to
anyone anymore. Who decides? We PAY the government to do that.

R.

The Oldfellow said:

D.M. Procida said:

The Oldfellow said:

Isn't there a big difference between mental illness that makes people do
weird but essentially harmless-to-others things, and mental illness that
causes people to do things that actually hurt other people.

No, there isn't.

Matter of opinion.

I thought you were asking a question about mental illness, in which case
it's not just a matter of opinion. There simply isn't a big difference
between mental illnesses in that respect. It's true that people
suffering from depression, say, are more likely to harm themselves than
harm other people, but that's just an extrinsic feature of it.

Daniele
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Mark Thompson said:

Quoted message said:

As to the rock thrower, if he turns out to be ill, then the same
applies, if he's considered sane - hang him by the road.

A bit extreme. The traditional urc punishment would be sufficient and would
probably curb his violent tendancies too.

I didn't mean it literally (well not really - honest!). As a new boy
here just what is the 'traditional urc punishment' - I hope it hurts a lot?

My own view is that all crime should be punished ... well no, that's
off topic here. I'm actually interested in learning from you guys and
girls about cycling.

R.

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D.M. Procida (') said:

Simply locking him up isn't going to benefit anyone. Also, the
allegations of indecency against him are rather more serious than the
crime of having spoilt a running race.

Not for the man who lost the one chance in his life of an Olympic gold
medal. Of course, he might not have won it anyway, but depriving him of
that chance after the literally years of effort and preparation he must
have put in is indescribably mean.

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Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

Simply locking him up isn't going to benefit anyone. Also, the
allegations of indecency against him are rather more serious than the
crime of having spoilt a running race.

Not for the man who lost the one chance in his life of an Olympic gold
medal.

I'm sure that if de Lima had a choice in the matter, he would have
preferred a child not to be sexually abused over winning an Olympic gold
medal, because the former really is much important than the latter,
however sad and disappointing it might be.

Quoted message said:

Of course, he might not have won it anyway, but depriving him of
that chance after the literally years of effort and preparation he must
have put in is indescribably mean.

If it were done through meanness, yes, but the person who did this is
(apparently) mentally disturbed, and was drunk. He's a dangerous
nuisance at sporting events, and possibly a danger to children, but I
really don't see how simply locking him up is going to make him "get the
message" about how to behave around children or races.

Daniele
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The Oldfellow said:

My own view is that all crime should be punished ... well no, that's
off topic here. I'm actually interested in learning from you guys and
girls about cycling.

A very extreme view IMHO as most people in the UK are guilty of some sort
of crime ( especially white collar crime) which they personally don't
consider "crime"

Simon Brooke said:

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Quoted message said:

Because the Irish bloke in Greece didn't get a proper bollocking.

Inevitably he was British. Sometimes I cringe...

Errr He was English! The rest of the British Isles don't want him
spread about !

jtaylor said:

Quoted message said:

I'm sure that if de Lima had a choice in the matter, he would have
preferred a child not to be sexually abused over winning an Olympic gold
medal, because the former really is much important than the latter,
however sad and disappointing it might be.

And _that_ statement has a hidden argument that effective treatment for this
person would be to stage World Championship events and allow him to
interrupt them as he chooses.

Don't be absurd.

Quoted message said:

Both the above imply that you believe that the cost to others, in harm and
coin, is not important when treating such a person.

You're wrong.

Next please.

Daniele
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:12:07 GMT someone who may be The Oldfellow
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

As a new boy
here just what is the 'traditional urc punishment'

Use a search engine to look for goolies.

An alternative for persons of the female persuasion has yet to be
decided.

Quoted message said:

I hope it hurts a lot?

It probably doesn't hurt very much in a physical sense. Of course
men tend to make a great deal of fuss about minor amounts of pain.

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Simply locking him up isn't going to benefit anyone.

If he's a risk to others while at large (as has been demnonstrated) , then
the above statement is faulty.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Also, the
allegations of indecency against him are rather more serious than the
crime of having spoilt a running race.

Not for the man who lost the one chance in his life of an Olympic gold
medal.

I'm sure that if de Lima had a choice in the matter, he would have
preferred a child not to be sexually abused over winning an Olympic gold
medal, because the former really is much important than the latter,
however sad and disappointing it might be.

And _that_ statement has a hidden argument that effective treatment for this
person would be to stage World Championship events and allow him to
interrupt them as he chooses.

Both the above imply that you believe that the cost to others, in harm and
coin, is not important when treating such a person.