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  1. Since I've started riding to & from work on my bike, I'm now intrigued by
    the idea of its simplicity for some reason. I almost feel guilty when I get
    in my truck to go someplace. But then today I realized that using a bike
    for transportation is probably only good for just that, right?

    I mean, I can see how people that live in "town" could use it everyday for
    almost everything, but bringing home those 35 bags of mulch 13 miles from
    the supercenter today via bicycle would not be possible, or at least,
    practical. (I guess you could make, what, 18 trips?) And the 4x8 plywood
    sheets are tough enough to tote by hand. So I'm curious: is a bike really
    only good for just transporting people and small items? Is anyone out there
    using it somehow for more?

    --
    Cheers!
    Duke

  2. Quoted message said:

    Since I've started riding to & from work on my bike, I'm now intrigued
    by the idea of its simplicity for some reason. I almost feel guilty
    when I get in my truck to go someplace. But then today I realized that
    using a bike for transportation is probably only good for just that,
    right?

    Actually you can use a bicycle for all basic transportation and
    utility functions in a city with no problems.

    If you need to transport big items there are options such as taxis,
    local freight companies, etc.

    It isn't that hard to use a bicycle in a city, it's a very attractive
    choice overall.

    --

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  3. Dukester said:

    Since I've started riding to & from work on my bike, I'm now intrigued by
    the idea of its simplicity for some reason. I almost feel guilty when I get
    in my truck to go someplace. But then today I realized that using a bike
    for transportation is probably only good for just that, right?

    I mean, I can see how people that live in "town" could use it everyday for
    almost everything, but bringing home those 35 bags of mulch 13 miles from
    the supercenter today via bicycle would not be possible, or at least,
    practical. (I guess you could make, what, 18 trips?) And the 4x8 plywood
    sheets are tough enough to tote by hand. So I'm curious: is a bike really
    only good for just transporting people and small items? Is anyone out there
    using it somehow for more?

    You might want to check out the "Bikes at Work" delivery service and
    trailer supplier at:
    http://www.bikesatwork.com/ I haven't gone quite that far - no moving
    of refrigerators or couches, etc.; but I have towed my kayaks for
    distances of about 25 miles (the single is easy at 40 lbs, but the
    double is 18' long and weighs 90 lbs.). Acceleration is a bit slow but
    the extra load is hardly noticeable once moving on level ground. Hills
    do present a problem when heavily loaded. For most loads I use a small
    utility trailer which can handle those 4'x8' plywood sheets, albeit with
    some overhang off the back, and could carry quite a few mulch bags. We
    live in the SF Bay area, so there are some hills around. Fortunately the
    bike and trailer can be wheeled onto the BART commuter rail system
    during off-peak hours which allows me to avoid some of the climbs.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Since I've started riding to & from work on my bike, I'm now intrigued by
    the idea of its simplicity for some reason. I almost feel guilty when I get
    in my truck to go someplace. But then today I realized that using a bike
    for transportation is probably only good for just that, right?

    I mean, I can see how people that live in "town" could use it everyday for
    almost everything, but bringing home those 35 bags of mulch 13 miles from
    the supercenter today via bicycle would not be possible, or at least,
    practical. (I guess you could make, what, 18 trips?) And the 4x8 plywood
    sheets are tough enough to tote by hand. So I'm curious: is a bike really
    only good for just transporting people and small items? Is anyone out there
    using it somehow for more?

    You can buy or make a trailer which could handle some pretty heavy loads
    if your bike had low enough gears, but in general I agree that there are
    some jobs which are better left to a _motor_ vehicle.

    --
    Dave Kerber
    Fight spam: remove the ns_ from the return address before replying!

    REAL programmers write self-modifying code.

  5. "David Kerber" <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    You can buy or make a trailer which could handle some pretty heavy loads
    if your bike had low enough gears, but in general I agree that there are
    some jobs which are better left to a _motor_ vehicle.

    Yeah, but that doesn't mean you have to own it (or even drive it). Many lumber
    yards and nurseries deliver, supermarkets, too.

  6. Go here: http://homepage.mac.com/johngoodman/Pages/Bikes/evenMoreBikes.html

    So I'm curious: is a bike really

    Quoted message said:

    only good for just transporting people and small items? Is anyone out


    there

    Quoted message said:

    using it somehow for more?

    --
    Cheers!
    Duke

  7. "Dukester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since I've started riding to & from work on my bike, I'm now intrigued by
    the idea of its simplicity for some reason. I almost feel guilty when I get
    in my truck to go someplace. But then today I realized that using a bike
    for transportation is probably only good for just that, right?

    I mean, I can see how people that live in "town" could use it everyday for
    almost everything, but bringing home those 35 bags of mulch 13 miles from
    the supercenter today via bicycle would not be possible, or at least,
    practical. (I guess you could make, what, 18 trips?) And the 4x8 plywood
    sheets are tough enough to tote by hand. So I'm curious: is a bike really
    only good for just transporting people and small items? Is anyone out there
    using it somehow for more?

    --

    http://www.xaccess.org/index.html

  8. Quoted message said:

    And the 4x8 plywood
    sheets are tough enough to tote by hand.

    It depends on how you mount the plywood sheet on the bike.
    I use a carrier that I heliarced out of 6-4 Ti. The sheet is held a
    few degrees from horizontal, so it serves as a rain-roof.
    And if one can pedal fast enough, you can feel at first a slight
    shudder. Then the handlebars firm up. At this point, you can pull
    back on the handlebars, and smoothly rotate. When safely airborne,
    lighten up on the handlebars, and allow the bicycle to smoothly land
    itself after the glide. Avoid landing on the front wheel, by flaring
    just before you run out of airspeed.
    Always glad to help. :-)

    (Inspired by some Italian Guy on here who writes fantastic nonsense.)

  9. There's a guy here in Chicago who has a home-made bike trailer that's about
    eight feet long. I saw him at the Home Depot hauling 4x4 fence posts and
    various home items. He is mentioned on a website somewhere moving a washer
    and dryer - together! I saw him just the other day turning a corner
    downtown. It's the only bike you need to turn wide on!

    -Collin

    "Dukester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since I've started riding to & from work on my bike, I'm now intrigued by
    the idea of its simplicity for some reason. I almost feel guilty when I


    get

    Quoted message said:

    in my truck to go someplace. But then today I realized that using a bike
    for transportation is probably only good for just that, right?

    I mean, I can see how people that live in "town" could use it everyday for
    almost everything, but bringing home those 35 bags of mulch 13 miles from
    the supercenter today via bicycle would not be possible, or at least,
    practical. (I guess you could make, what, 18 trips?) And the 4x8 plywood
    sheets are tough enough to tote by hand. So I'm curious: is a bike really
    only good for just transporting people and small items? Is anyone out


    there

    Quoted message said:

    using it somehow for more?

    --
    Cheers!
    Duke

  10. Collin O'Neill said:

    There's a guy here in Chicago who has a home-made bike trailer that's about
    eight feet long. I saw him at the Home Depot hauling 4x4 fence posts and
    various home items. He is mentioned on a website somewhere moving a washer
    and dryer - together! I saw him just the other day turning a corner
    downtown. It's the only bike you need to turn wide on!

    Here's my arrangement for towing my two-person kayak - I definitely have
    to plan my turns more carefully than usual. And the bollard-guarded
    entrances to the bike paths are a real adventure.
    http://206.40.48.186/uploads/1BIKE-TRAILER.JPG

    Quoted message said:

    "Dukester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since I've started riding to & from work on my bike, I'm now intrigued by
    the idea of its simplicity for some reason. I almost feel guilty when I

    get

    Quoted message said:

    in my truck to go someplace. But then today I realized that using a bike
    for transportation is probably only good for just that, right?

    I mean, I can see how people that live in "town" could use it everyday for
    almost everything, but bringing home those 35 bags of mulch 13 miles from
    the supercenter today via bicycle would not be possible, or at least,
    practical. (I guess you could make, what, 18 trips?) And the 4x8 plywood
    sheets are tough enough to tote by hand. So I'm curious: is a bike really
    only good for just transporting people and small items?

  11. Quoted message said:

    bringing home those 35 bags of mulch 13 miles from the supercenter
    today via bicycle would not be possible, or at least, practical.

    *Thirty-five* bags of mulch??

    No, the bicycle was never intended to be a farm implement.

  12. On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 17:37:24 -0600, "Dukester"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    bringing home those 35 bags of mulch 13 miles from
    the supercenter today via bicycle would not be possible

    So cars are for [censored], is that what you're saying? ;-)

    --
    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  13. "David Kerber" <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <c6Jbc.175510$_w.1818109@attbi_s53>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    "David Kerber" <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    You can buy or make a trailer which could handle some pretty heavy


    loads

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    if your bike had low enough gears, but in general I agree that there


    are

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    some jobs which are better left to a _motor_ vehicle.

    Yeah, but that doesn't mean you have to own it (or even drive it). Many


    lumber

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    yards and nurseries deliver, supermarkets, too.

    True, and I never said you did. Home Depot will rent you a truck by the
    hour if you buy something too big to fit in your own vehicle.


    I'm appending to David's message since I was about to make the same point.

    If you have a lot of really bulky stuff you might prefer to rent anyway, to
    minimize the number of trips and the possible superficial damage to your
    vehicle.

    I might haul a bunch of bags of dirt once every other year, a 4 x 8 sheet of
    plywood even less often. Everybody will have their own answer to these
    questions, and can calculate at what point the economic and hassle equation
    makes it more reasonable to own than to rent. For most people, groceries
    are the most common large item ferried, and there are a number of ways to
    deal with groceries.

    In the US, where the average number of vehicles per household is higher than
    the average number of drivers, there's a much easier equation going on: Can
    we live with one less car? (and one less set of car payments / insurance,
    etc.) That's a heck of a lot easier to do, and in a family situation
    involves few lifestyle changes by other family members.

  14. "LioNiNoiL_a t_NetscapE_d 0 t_NeT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:CBObc.105537$Bg.10176@fed1read03...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bringing home those 35 bags of mulch 13 miles from the supercenter
    today via bicycle would not be possible, or at least, practical.

    *Thirty-five* bags of mulch??

    No, the bicycle was never intended to be a farm implement.

    If you really need/want a lot of mulch, tree care firms will sometimes
    deliver wood chips right to your yard for free at the end of the day --
    their alternative being that they have to pay to dump it somewhere. You
    have to be patient, and you will not be getting playground-quality wood
    chips, but it's fine for mulch. I just got a full dump truck load last year
    and have slowly been putting it where it supposed to go. (Can't do it when
    it's raining, and I'd rather bike when it's sunny.)

  15. Peter Cole said:

    "David Kerber" <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    You can buy or make a trailer which could handle some pretty heavy
    loads if your bike had low enough gears, but in general I agree that
    there are some jobs which are better left to a _motor_ vehicle.

    Yeah, but that doesn't mean you have to own it (or even drive it).
    Many lumber yards and nurseries deliver, supermarkets, too.

    If you live in a college town, which are always full of broke young dudes with
    pickup trucks, you can get anything moved for $20.

    Matt O.

  16. Quoted message said:

    "David Kerber" <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote
    You can buy or make a trailer which could handle some pretty heavy
    loads if your bike had low enough gears, but in general I agree that there
    are some jobs which are better left to a _motor_ vehicle.

    A friend of mine rides a Greenspeed tandem trike that converts to solo and
    can also fit into two suitcases for travel.
    It also has an overhead rack attachment that can carry canoes, lumber, etc.

    He built a trailer with a friend that is able to hold about 1500 pounds.
    It is frequently used for moving, parades, etc.
    My buddy has changed the directory that was full of photos of the trailer in
    use, if anyone wants more images- let me know.

    http://greenspeed.com.au/tandem.htm
    http://tricolour.net/gtvs6.html
    http://hpv.tricolour.net/photos/djh/

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dukester said:

    I mean, I can see how people that live in "town" could use it everyday for


    ......

    There are people who choose where they live so that they can
    do as everything by bicycle..

    Quoted message said:

    So I'm curious: is a bike really
    only good for just transporting people and small items? Is anyone out there
    using it somehow for more?

    Locally, bikes were used as a moving van.. in winter, no less.

    http://vic.dyndns.org/pics/2002-11-30/index.html

    --

    "It's a sad day for american capitalism when a man
    can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park."
    J. Moran

  18. "Dukester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    sheets are tough enough to tote by hand. So I'm curious: is a bike really
    only good for just transporting people and small items? Is anyone out there
    using it somehow for more?

    With a regular bike trailer (the type that is designed to carry a
    couple of kids; Burley) and a couple of panniers I found I could
    easily carry all of the stuff I usually bought at the grocery store
    and other similar stores (stuff that before the trailer, I usually
    carried in the automobile), plus one child.

    When we got to three small children plus groceries I started to notice
    a definite crimp on available space--but that's another story. (The
    three children fit nicely--tandem plus two-seat bike trailer--but the
    little rascals' breathing requirements really hinder one's ability to
    stack groceries on them in the trailer, thus reducing the
    cargo-carrying capacity drastically.)

    Once I figured out how to do grocery shopping, various small errands
    around town, school trips, library trips, music lessons, etc., on the
    bike I found that covered maybe 90% of my usual around-town trips.
    So, aside from commuting to work (which is unfortunately about 120
    miles further round trip than I'd feel happy bike commuting) I find
    that the car is sitting in the driveway more and more.

    That approach seems to be reasonable and work for most of
    us--especially those of us who don't live in an urban core with good
    public transportation. Not all or nothing, but rather--start by
    biking the trips you feel comfortable doing, then gradually expand
    your repertoire. Extend your season a little later in the fall, a
    little earlier in the spring, figure out routes to place you never
    thought you could ride to, figure out how to carry a little larger
    load, and so on.

    But don't be a martyr about it--if you can't figure out how to haul 10
    sheets of plywood on your bike, then don't. If you don't like riding
    in cold driving rain, then don't. If you can't figure out how to get
    to a certain destination via a route you feel comfortable riding, then
    just take the car to that place.

    Incidentally, more and more I find myself consciously choosing
    destinations that are more easily accessible by bike (shopping at the
    grocery store in my neighborhood more and the giant megacenter on
    Highway 942 less) and planning purchases just a little to make them
    fit better (instead of buying 4 cases of paper towels at once, I'll
    buy one case on each of four different trips over a period of time).
    All this comes under the umbrella of "how to expand your
    repertoire"--how to get more done by biking/walking & reduce the
    dependency on the automobile.

    Sometimes it costs a little more (the local store does run a little
    higher than the megacenter) but you have to figure you're saving gas
    and wear & tear on the auto, plus getting an enjoyable exercise period
    in--for which many people pay $X per day at the gym . . .

    When you take the gradual approach, pretty soon you find your car
    sitting more and more, and your gut shrinking smaller and smaller.
    But it's never been painful or "all or nothing", which all too often
    seems to end up being "nothing" rather than "all" . . .

    --Brent

    bhugh [at] mwsc.edu

  19. "Brent Hugh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    With a regular bike trailer (the type that is designed to carry a
    couple of kids; Burley) and a couple of panniers I found I could

    Quoted message said:

    - snip -

    Quoted message said:

    sheets of plywood on your bike, then don't. If you don't like riding
    in cold driving rain, then don't. If you can't figure out how to get
    to a certain destination via a route you feel comfortable riding, then
    just take the car to that place.

    Wow, great replies. While I don't think I'm quite ready for moving plywood
    (woodworking) or mulch (yes we have 10 acres near a small town that my wife
    loves to garden on. No, we don't have any tree places that will dump
    chips), I am impressed by the innovations shown here.

    For now I will try and stick with the bike to work routine which was made
    much more difficult this weekend by daylight savings; now riding in the dark
    at 5:30am. I will try the grocery store, but that is even farther away (10
    miles) than work.

    --
    Cheers!
    Duke

  20. "Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Peter Cole said:

    "David Kerber" <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    You can buy or make a trailer which could handle some pretty heavy
    loads if your bike had low enough gears, but in general I agree that
    there are some jobs which are better left to a _motor_ vehicle.

    Yeah, but that doesn't mean you have to own it (or even drive it).
    Many lumber yards and nurseries deliver, supermarkets, too.

    If you live in a college town, which are always full of broke young dudes


    with

    Quoted message said:

    pickup trucks, you can get anything moved for $20.

    There's usually lots of people who'll do deliveries, if not the actual
    sellers. I had a guy nearby who ran a clock repair business and also had a
    dump truck. When I needed mulch, crushed rock, firewood, whatever, I'd just
    call & have him pick it up. People used to have everything delivered. The
    system we have now is really a 50's suburban mentality gone to the limit, not
    really compatible with utility cycling.

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