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  1. We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
    Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
    planning a pot of chili for dinner 🙁 Before I had a chance to get the
    ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
    because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
    campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
    and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
    fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
    proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
    power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
    maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
    outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
    teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
    I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
    she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
    chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
    to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
    feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
    remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
    neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
    mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
    the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
    Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
    loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
    flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
    before 10 pm.

    This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
    use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
    hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
    than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
    outage in the winter is the pits!

  2. ~patches~ said:

    We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.


    snip

    Quoted message said:


    This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
    use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
    hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
    than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
    outage in the winter is the pits!


    two words.

    Coleman Stove.

    del cecchi

    --
    Del Cecchi
    "This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
    strategies or opinions.”

  3. ~patches~ said:

    We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
    Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
    planning a pot of chili for dinner 🙁 Before I had a chance to get the
    ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
    because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
    campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
    and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
    fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
    proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
    power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
    maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
    outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
    teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
    I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
    she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
    chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
    to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
    feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
    remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
    neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
    mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
    the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
    Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
    loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
    flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
    before 10 pm.

    This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
    use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
    hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
    than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
    outage in the winter is the pits!

    but it is actually kind of fun bbqing in a snow storm! we keep our bbq
    on a covered back porch in the winter, with a wall on the west side,
    which protects from the wind. if we lose power everything gets grilled,
    and water is heated on top of the pellet stove inside. myraide

  4. Del Cecchi said:
    ~patches~ said:

    We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.

    snip

    Quoted message said:


    This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance
    I use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on
    and I hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more
    determined than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors
    during a power outage in the winter is the pits!


    two words.

    Coleman Stove.

    del cecchi


    Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
    couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
    into the garage. Even then cooking outdoors in the winter when the
    power is out is not very pleasant since usually the wind is whipping
    copious amounts of snow. We've used the coleman in the garage before
    when the wind wasn't whipping snow into the garage.

  5. ~patches~ said:

    We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
    Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
    planning a pot of chili for dinner 🙁

    Sorry you had to go through the mess, but it sounds like you made the
    best of it. After a couple of past disasters and before the y2k
    scare, I became a sort of "survivalist". The main reason the power
    issue came to be number one is that my house is built over a spring.
    (Kicks self in butt a thousand times). We keep a large supply of food
    and several hundred gallons of water available at all times (spent 2
    weeks without water - not fun). Anyway, the spring issue forced me to
    commit funds that I really didn't want to let go of. I installed a
    fairly large solar system to power auxilary water pumps, amateur radio
    gear and I wired 12 volt fluorescent lighting fixtures throughout the
    place. I have inverters in case the need for 110 arises (charging
    batteries, etc). Besides the normal flashlights and candles and
    whatnot, I felt the need to further supplement lighting. I got a
    baygen windup lantern, the solar powered lighting and a number of
    Krill electroluminescent lightsticks from www.kriana.com. Go for the
    Standard green 180. Once your night vision is going, it will
    illuminate a 30 by 15 foot room with ease and run 180 hours on 2 AA
    batteries. For the heat and cooking needs - there's the fireplace,
    gas grill, charcoal grill, 2 Kerosene heaters (great for heating
    soups, beans etc as long as you leave the lid on to keep the kerosene
    taste out). Coleman style backback stove, coffee-can chimney stove,
    standalone propane burner. If all else fails, I could dig a pit and
    build a plain old campfire. All I'm saying is, yeah, you're right,
    cooking without power in winter is no fun - on the other hand, I hope
    any disaster happens in winter because the issue of food storage
    becomes a non-issue. So far it's all been in hot weather and it was a
    real pain. The other point is that you'd be amazed how resourceful
    you become when you're forced to do so, even if you haven't planned at
    all. I think most people (as long as some sort of "home base" is
    still intact and not completely washed away) have sort of an inate
    problem solving and survival capability. BTW, if you DO happen to do
    the planning and preparing like we did, you absolutely MUST do test
    runs on everything. I found some huge problems in the original setup
    we had. OTOH, you can live a long time with extra clothes, a few
    2-litre bottles of water and some canned green beans if that's all you
    have available. The worst aspect of huge disasters like the one we
    just witnessed is that no matter how much people planned, it was all
    washed away and useless. You can only"do what you can do and no
    more".

    --
    The Doc says my brain waves closely match those of a crazed ferret.
    At least now I have an excuse.

  6. Myraide wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
    use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
    hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
    than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
    outage in the winter is the pits!

    but it is actually kind of fun bbqing in a snow storm! we keep our bbq
    on a covered back porch in the winter, with a wall on the west side,
    which protects from the wind. if we lose power everything gets grilled,
    and water is heated on top of the pellet stove inside. myraide


    It is fun and we do it quite a bit but not during snow storms when the
    power is out. We've been looking at a pellet stove as we used to heat
    with wood. I never worried about the power outages but this house only
    has forced air. How do you like the pellet stove and is it inexpensive
    to run?

  7. ~patches~ said:
    Del Cecchi said:
    ~patches~ said:

    We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.

    snip

    Quoted message said:


    This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance
    I use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on
    and I hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more
    determined than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors
    during a power outage in the winter is the pits!


    two words.

    Coleman Stove.

    del cecchi


    Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
    couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
    into the garage. Even then cooking outdoors in the winter when the
    power is out is not very pleasant since usually the wind is whipping
    copious amounts of snow. We've used the coleman in the garage before
    when the wind wasn't whipping snow into the garage.

    I wouldn't hesitate to use a coleman stove in the kitchen. Not really
    any different than burning natural gas or propane. Keep it in a closet
    or in the basement.

    --
    Del Cecchi
    "This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
    strategies or opinions.”

  8. zxcvbob said:
    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    ~patches~ said:

    We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
    Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
    planning a pot of chili for dinner 🙁 Before I had a chance to get the
    ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
    because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
    campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
    and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
    fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
    proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
    power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
    maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
    outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
    teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
    I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
    she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
    chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
    to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
    feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
    remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
    neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
    mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
    the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
    Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
    loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
    flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
    before 10 pm.

    This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
    use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
    hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
    than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
    outage in the winter is the pits!

    Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...

    Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?

    Yes, it does eventually -- but only if it starts running out of oxygen.
    It should be of less concern than operating a conventional gas stove.

    -Bob

    Nonsense.

    Sheldon

  9. I read this post and it reminded me of fireless cookers....they were
    more popular in the 19th century and are basically an insulated box.
    if you bring the food to a boil for a few minutes and then put it in
    the insulated container (a cooler lined with blankets and newspapers
    works) then you leave it untouched for a few hours. It continues to
    cook nicely. We would do this up in the mountains where we had no
    electricity and wanted a hot meal when we returned from hiking.

    it reminds me i need to get some more gas for my grill!

    j

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    ~patches~ said:
    Del Cecchi said:
    ~patches~ said:

    We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.

    snip

    Quoted message said:


    This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance
    I use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on
    and I hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more
    determined than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors
    during a power outage in the winter is the pits!


    two words.

    Coleman Stove.

    del cecchi


    Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
    couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
    into the garage. Even then cooking outdoors in the winter when the
    power is out is not very pleasant since usually the wind is whipping
    copious amounts of snow. We've used the coleman in the garage before
    when the wind wasn't whipping snow into the garage.

    Don't you have a door from the garage into the house?
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    zxcvbob said:
    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    ~patches~ said:

    We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
    Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
    planning a pot of chili for dinner 🙁 Before I had a chance to get the
    ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
    because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
    campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
    and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
    fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
    proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
    power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
    maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
    outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
    teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
    I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
    she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
    chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
    to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
    feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
    remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
    neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
    mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
    the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
    Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
    loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
    flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
    before 10 pm.

    This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
    use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
    hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
    than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
    outage in the winter is the pits!

    Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...

    Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?

    Yes, it does eventually -- but only if it starts running out of oxygen.
    It should be of less concern than operating a conventional gas stove.

    -Bob

    Cool, thanks!
    I do have a bag of sterno and a small sterno burner. :-)
    Was just not sure if it was safe for indoor use.

    But, I also have a coleman camp stove.
    I just need to have dad teach me how to use one.
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sheldon said:
    zxcvbob said:
    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    ~patches~ <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
    >Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
    >planning a pot of chili for dinner 🙁 Before I had a chance to get the
    >ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
    >because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
    >campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
    >and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
    >fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
    >proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
    >power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
    >maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
    >outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
    >teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
    >I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
    >she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
    >chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
    >to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
    >feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
    >remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
    >neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
    >mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
    >the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
    >Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
    >loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
    >flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
    >before 10 pm.
    >
    >This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
    >use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
    >hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
    >than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
    >outage in the winter is the pits!
    >

    Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...

    Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?

    Yes, it does eventually -- but only if it starts running out of oxygen.
    It should be of less concern than operating a conventional gas stove.

    -Bob

    Nonsense.

    Sheldon

    What is your experience/objection to using sterno indoors Sheldon?
    If you know something about it, please speak up! :-)

    My house is all electric and if this storm causes a lengthy power
    outage, it'd be easier for me to use the sterno stove for heating up
    soup and stuff instead of dragging out the propane burner and cooking
    outside in the rain.

    Cheers!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  13. jmcquown said:
    ~patches~ said:

    We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
    Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I
    was planning a pot of chili for dinner 🙁 Before I had a chance to
    get the ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't
    realize it because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage
    for the campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my
    first clue and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing
    entry.

    I don't know how big your campstove is, but you couldn't have carried it
    through the house? Must be a big stove!

    The campstove is a coleman 2-burner but you can't use it in the house.
    I couldn't get into the garage as one door was blocked and the door that
    lets the car in wouldn't work without power. The garage is not attached
    to the house.

    Quoted message said:


    So I fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the

    Quoted message said:

    side burner then proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I
    assured myself the power would be back on but took the precaution of
    covering my yogurt maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of
    chili filled the air outside and the power was still off. A couple
    of neighbours were in a teather because they couldn't cook and had
    nothing to eat, something I've never understood. One was quite funny
    because his wife is away and she does all the cooking. I invited him
    for dinner but he doesn't like chili.

    His tough luck, then. He couldn't have been *that* hungry if he turned down
    a free meal.

    Well yes but he's elderly and is used to the old ways of the wife doing
    everything and he is a very good neighbour. I kinda felt sorry for him
    because he really just looked very lost as to how he would manage. I
    pity him if she dies before him.

    Quoted message said:


    Everyone here knows the power

    Quoted message said:

    goes out quite often some refuse to prepare for it. It's similar in
    the snowstorms we have - a couple of feet of snow dumped and at least
    one of the neighbours all of a sudden remembers they're out of milk
    which ultimately means all the other neighbours has to help get this
    one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the mom & pop is closed anyway. I
    baked biscuits on the grill to go with the chili so we had a nice
    meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles. Then we played cribbage
    for awhile while listening to a few neighbours loudly complaining
    about the power outage. We lent one of them a flashlight because he
    couldn't find his. The power finally came on just before 10 pm.

    It's odd since you live in an area where there are frequent outages the
    neighbors should be so outraged by the loss of power. I don't have that
    problem unless it's a doozy of a storm, but I'm prepared for whatever
    contingency.

    It's the norm here and there's nothing we can do about it. The lines
    are above ground so are less protected than buried lines and despite the
    problems the lines won't be buried anytime soon. We can't get cable or
    high speed internet here either. We keep an old fashion rotary dial
    telephone because when the power goes out the cordless phones won't
    work. People here are happy to have location, location, location as
    well a good neighbours yet they will [censored] and moan each time the power
    goes out. The point is people here know it happens so they should be
    prepared period. I was negligent at not being able to get to the
    campstove but I was still able to cook.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance
    I use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on
    and I hadn't been in the middle of canning something!

    I'm sure you were! I don't have many electric gadgets, although my stove is
    electric (that's what came with the apartment). I won't do electric
    can-openers and stuff like that.

    I gave up electric can-openers a long time ago. They are totally useless!

    Quoted message said:


    I am more

    Quoted message said:

    determined than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors
    during a power outage in the winter is the pits!

    I wish I could have a gas range but the apartment complex isn't set up for
    it. I keep a load of lump charcoal for my grill. I've turned out some
    darned good meals on the trusty Weber kettle in times of emergencies. I was
    without power for a week once and managed to eat well. Having cast iron
    cookware sure does help. I don't understand people who won't prepare for
    emergencies, particularly if they know they crop up frequently. We don't
    get snow down here but sometimes get ice-storms which are much worse. Even
    then I don't tend to lose power for more than a couple of hours. And I have
    a fireplace. I can cook in that if I need to.

    A week is a long time to go without power but enterprising people do it
    all the time. I don't understand if you live in an area that you
    wouldn't be prepared. Heck I could make several meals that didn't need
    cooking and then cook what I needed. I agree with the cast iron and I
    like using enamelware on the bbq. You can use the bbq as an oven so
    most things are fair game. Unlike our last house we don't have a
    fireplace or woodstove but that is on our lists of improvements. During
    nice weather or even in the cold if the wind isn't whipping around we
    have an outdoor firepit. I have a tripod for cooking stews, soups, and
    chili over and a grill for meats and veggies. We have enough wood to
    see us through an emergency and then some so if the gas wasn't working I
    would have resorted to that. During the y2k scare there was some
    speculation the gas wouldn't work if the power was out for any length of
    time so I'm prepared that way. Most times though a power outage of 1 or
    2 hours or less and you could easily get by without cooking.

    Quoted message said:


    What's worse, to me, is when it's 90+F degrees and the only method of
    cooking is outdoors over a hot fire and trying to keep ice in the ice chest
    and freezer so all the food doesn't thaw out.

    Yep! From camping experience that is a pain. If you can find a source
    of dry ice that would be easier than reg ice. My concern last night
    really revolved around the freezers. One is in the garage and the temps
    were in the low 80's. We have a smaller chest freezer and side-by-side
    in the house. The rule of thumb is not to open unless absolutely
    necessary. The last major power outage was almost 48 hrs. We topped
    the chest freezers with heavy blankets and they were fine but I really
    worried about the one in the garage. IMO the side-by-side is useless
    and wastes energy even though it looks good. It's on my hit list of
    appliances to replace.

    Quoted message said:


    Jill

  14. OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...

    Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?

    The problem with sterno is over time it evapourates so after a period of
    time the tin becomes useless. This came from our y2k preparedness. I
    would think sterno like anything burning would create carbon monoxide
    but it must not be much because sterno is used in chaffing dishes. We
    got this really neat stuff - compressed tioxane from an army surplus for
    y2k. Each pack is enough to cook one meal and after the y2k scare
    passed it made dandy firestarter for campfires. We still have a couple
    of packs left just in case. By now they are likely explosives 🙁

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    ~patches~ said:

    OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...

    Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?

    The problem with sterno is over time it evapourates so after a period of
    time the tin becomes useless. This came from our y2k preparedness. I
    would think sterno like anything burning would create carbon monoxide
    but it must not be much because sterno is used in chaffing dishes. We
    got this really neat stuff - compressed tioxane from an army surplus for
    y2k. Each pack is enough to cook one meal and after the y2k scare
    passed it made dandy firestarter for campfires. We still have a couple
    of packs left just in case. By now they are likely explosives 🙁

    heh!

    The only thing I stocked up on for Y2K was cat and dog food.
    Stored 30 days worth!

    We have 2 weeks worth right now just in case of flash flooding.
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  16. "~patches~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    snip

    Quoted message said:


    This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
    use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
    hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined than
    ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power outage in
    the winter is the pits!


    I've canned two bushels of tomatoes on an old Coleman stove when the power
    went out after I started. It just takes longer. We always have plenty of
    propane, charcoal, firewood and oil for lamps on hand. It pays to have some
    sort of backup.
    Janet

  17. AlleyGator said:
    ~patches~ said:

    We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
    Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
    planning a pot of chili for dinner 🙁

    Sorry you had to go through the mess, but it sounds like you made the
    best of it. After a couple of past disasters and before the y2k
    scare, I became a sort of "survivalist". The main reason the power

    It really wasn't all that bad since we had full tummies, entertainment,
    and supplies. Funny thing was I could use my laptop if I really needed
    to for music or internet but no one in their right mind would connect
    with lightening in the area. We chose not to. I was ready to read a
    Harry Potter - my latest interest - ebook on my PDA but thought the
    company with DH was better time spent. I have to say that we are more
    of the survivalist type.

    Quoted message said:

    issue came to be number one is that my house is built over a spring.
    (Kicks self in butt a thousand times). We keep a large supply of food
    and several hundred gallons of water available at all times (spent 2
    weeks without water - not fun). Anyway, the spring issue forced me to
    commit funds that I really didn't want to let go of. I installed a

    How do you store that amount of water?

    Quoted message said:

    fairly large solar system to power auxilary water pumps, amateur radio
    gear and I wired 12 volt fluorescent lighting fixtures throughout the
    place. I have inverters in case the need for 110 arises (charging
    batteries, etc). Besides the normal flashlights and candles and

    We don't have inverters yet. DH was leary of the battery blow-up
    problem and needing an extra battery shed but we have a lot of things
    solar including batter chargers even for AAA, D, and C size. They sit
    in the sunny windows charging up the batteries. For most lighting we use
    the coleman florescent, candles and oil lanterns. I like the lanterns
    myself. We have a solar powered/windup radio so we can get local radio
    stations.

    Quoted message said:

    whatnot, I felt the need to further supplement lighting. I got a
    baygen windup lantern, the solar powered lighting and a number of
    Krill electroluminescent lightsticks from www.kriana.com. Go for the
    Standard green 180. Once your night vision is going, it will
    illuminate a 30 by 15 foot room with ease and run 180 hours on 2 AA
    batteries. For the heat and cooking needs - there's the fireplace,
    gas grill, charcoal grill, 2 Kerosene heaters (great for heating
    soups, beans etc as long as you leave the lid on to keep the kerosene
    taste out). Coleman style backback stove, coffee-can chimney stove,
    standalone propane burner. If all else fails, I could dig a pit and
    build a plain old campfire. All I'm saying is, yeah, you're right,

    Yep we don't have a fireplace but we have a coleman cookstove, gas
    grill, wood, and a firepit. We have a tripod for the firepit to hang
    heavy pots, a grill, and a sandwich maker. We won't starve that's for sure!

    Quoted message said:

    cooking without power in winter is no fun - on the other hand, I hope
    any disaster happens in winter because the issue of food storage
    becomes a non-issue. So far it's all been in hot weather and it was a
    real pain. The other point is that you'd be amazed how resourceful

    That is the truth! When the power goes out in the summer is when I
    worry the most. I'd hate to think of my freezers ending up with rotting
    food.

    Quoted message said:

    you become when you're forced to do so, even if you haven't planned at
    all. I think most people (as long as some sort of "home base" is
    still intact and not completely washed away) have sort of an inate
    problem solving and survival capability. BTW, if you DO happen to do
    the planning and preparing like we did, you absolutely MUST do test
    runs on everything. I found some huge problems in the original setup

    Yep did all that which is why we don't get too hung up on *you can't get
    out of the driveway for 4 days because the snowplow hasn't cleared your
    driveway* or even like yesterday. I knew I could easily put a meal on
    the table and quite frankly thought most around me could too if they
    used a little imagination. I don't need to cook to feed us.

    Quoted message said:

    we had. OTOH, you can live a long time with extra clothes, a few
    2-litre bottles of water and some canned green beans if that's all you
    have available. The worst aspect of huge disasters like the one we
    just witnessed is that no matter how much people planned, it was all
    washed away and useless. You can only"do what you can do and no
    more".

    I thought of that too. I am prepared way more than most but if God
    forbid it was suddenly washed away what would I do? Well, I think I
    would turn toward intuition and get myself out of the area. With the
    y2k I learned a lot about survival as to edible weeds/plants. I'd
    gather whatever important items I would need for survival - matches,
    candles, flashlight, solar battery charger, dried foods (I have a ton of
    these), water container, and that type of stuff. A change of clothes
    would be nice but not paramount. Being a gardener I might grab a few
    seeds but then I would hit the road.

    Quoted message said:


    --
    The Doc says my brain waves closely match those of a crazed ferret.
    At least now I have an excuse.

  18. Del Cecchi said:
    ~patches~ said:
    Del Cecchi said:

    ~patches~ wrote:

    > We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.

    snip

    >
    > This recent outage had me looking around at all the
    > gadgets/appliance I use that run on electricity. I was glad the
    > breadmaker wasn't on and I hadn't been in the middle of canning
    > something! I am more determined than ever to convert to a gas
    > range. Cooking outdoors during a power outage in the winter is the
    > pits!
    >
    two words.

    Coleman Stove.

    del cecchi


    Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
    couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
    into the garage. Even then cooking outdoors in the winter when the
    power is out is not very pleasant since usually the wind is whipping
    copious amounts of snow. We've used the coleman in the garage before
    when the wind wasn't whipping snow into the garage.

    I wouldn't hesitate to use a coleman stove in the kitchen. Not really
    any different than burning natural gas or propane. Keep it in a closet
    or in the basement.


    Our coleman uses white gas (naptha fuel). The flames when first
    starting will easily shoot 5' in the air. There's no way I would
    attempt to use it in the house or under an awning. We don't have a
    basement because of a high water table. Now maybe a new propane coleman
    stove would be different but I still don't think you are supposed to
    use them indoors.

  19. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sheldon said:
    zxcvbob said:

    OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

    > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > ~patches~ <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
    >>Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
    >>planning a pot of chili for dinner 🙁 Before I had a chance to get the
    >>ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
    >>because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
    >>campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
    >>and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
    >>fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
    >>proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
    >>power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
    >>maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
    >>outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
    >>teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
    >>I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
    >>she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
    >>chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
    >>to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
    >>feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
    >>remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
    >>neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
    >>mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
    >>the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
    >>Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
    >>loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
    >>flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
    >>before 10 pm.
    >>
    >>This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
    >>use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
    >>hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
    >>than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
    >>outage in the winter is the pits!
    >>
    >
    >
    > Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...
    >
    > Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?

    Yes, it does eventually -- but only if it starts running out of oxygen.
    It should be of less concern than operating a conventional gas stove.

    -Bob

    Nonsense.

    Sheldon

    What is your experience/objection to using sterno indoors Sheldon?
    If you know something about it, please speak up! :-)

    My house is all electric and if this storm causes a lengthy power
    outage, it'd be easier for me to use the sterno stove for heating up
    soup and stuff instead of dragging out the propane burner and cooking
    outside in the rain.

    I kinda like "grillin' in the rain"... is that a song... don't you own
    an umbrella?

    Sterno is okay for small keep-warm jobs but I'd never attempt to use it
    for cooking indoors. You are far safer with propane, which can safely
    be used indoors... my kitchen stove uses propane. There are portable
    table top propane stoves that operate quite well with a small
    cylinder... far safer than sterno in every respect. A small propane
    cylinder is also much more economical as there is no waste... with
    sterno once the can is opened you have to use it all as there is no way
    to effectively reseal the can and it evaporates rather quickly... in
    fact sterno evaporates from factory sealed cans so check them every six
    months.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=638911&dopt=Abstract

    Sheldon

  20. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    ~patches~ said:
    Del Cecchi said:

    ~patches~ wrote:

    >We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.

    snip

    >This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance
    >I use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on
    >and I hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more
    >determined than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors
    >during a power outage in the winter is the pits!
    >

    two words.

    Coleman Stove.

    del cecchi

    Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
    couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
    into the garage. Even then cooking outdoors in the winter when the
    power is out is not very pleasant since usually the wind is whipping
    copious amounts of snow. We've used the coleman in the garage before
    when the wind wasn't whipping snow into the garage.

    Don't you have a door from the garage into the house?

    No the garage is detached from the house. We have to walk about 20' to
    get to the garage. There is no access from the house 🙁

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