Potential Millar Line Issues - Rulings Please

ronaldo_jeremiah said:

Concerning the Millar Line:

1. How safe is the assumption that said individual is clean? After
all, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, correct?

2. Even if he is clean now, he has previously doped, and during that
time he learned how to win races. Isn't it possible there is a
residual beneficial effect of doping? Wouldn't you really need a
never-doped rider to establish your line?

Naw, this is the Millar Line, not the Never-Doped Line.

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3. How will you rule in the event of a mechanical or crash by Millar?

Anybody else who doesn't crash is doping. No faking allowed, either.

Quoted message said:

4. How would you rule in the event of a hissy fit by Millar, like the
time he quit a meter from the finish line at the top of the Angliru?

Then we test him for beer.

Mark

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ronaldo_jeremiah said:

Concerning the Millar Line:

1. How safe is the assumption that said individual is clean? After
all, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, correct?

David Millar is a good Scottish boy, not a nasty continental type. As
was detailed previously, only Episcopalians and Papists dope. His
previous EPO use has been ruled "youthful indiscretion," and "paid his
dues."

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2. Even if he is clean now, he has previously doped, and during that
time he learned how to win races. Isn't it possible there is a
residual beneficial effect of doping? Wouldn't you really need a
never-doped rider to establish your line?

Mark answered this perfectly: "Naw, this is the Millar Line, not the
Never-Doped Line."

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3. How will you rule in the event of a mechanical or crash by Millar?

As I said in the first Millar Line posting, force majeur invalidates the
results. It's like freezing a urine sample.

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4. How would you rule in the event of a hissy fit by Millar, like the
time he quit a meter from the finish line at the top of the Angliru?

This is not force majeur. In such a case, we can only assume that if
David would do it, then any clean rider would behave that way, and thus
any riders who do not throw similar hissy fits are doping.

But of course, the Millar Line only applies on flat stages, because
Millar climbs like a time trialist, and there's nothing meaningful about
that.

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Ryan Cousineau said:

David Millar is a good Scottish boy, not a nasty continental type. As
was detailed previously, only Episcopalians and Papists dope.

So his guilt depends on whether he supports rangers or celtic ?

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ronaldo_jeremiah (') said:

Concerning the Millar Line:

1. How safe is the assumption that said individual is clean? After
all, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, correct?

He is clean by the doctrine of papal infallibility. It's all Bull.

Quoted message said:

2. Even if he is clean now, he has previously doped, and during that
time he learned how to win races. Isn't it possible there is a
residual beneficial effect of doping? Wouldn't you really need a
never-doped rider to establish your line?

This provides a margin of safety for never-doped riders who are naturally
faster than Millar.

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3. How will you rule in the event of a mechanical or crash by Millar?

This is clear evidence of a malicious attempt to sabotage the Millar line
and consequently everyone who finishes without a mechanical on that day
must be deemed to have doped.

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4. How would you rule in the event of a hissy fit by Millar, like the
time he quit a meter from the finish line at the top of the Angliru?

See (3) above. Millar should be provided with a tinfoil beanie to wear
under his polystyrene one.

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Simon Brooke said:

He is clean by the doctrine of papal infallibility. It's all Bull.

Red bull ?

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Donald Munro said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

David Millar is a good Scottish boy, not a nasty continental type. As
was detailed previously, only Episcopalians and Papists dope.

So his guilt depends on whether he supports rangers or celtic ?

Well, no, that's a secondary effect, much like how the more recent tours
have become faster, just as they have become shorter.

Are the tours faster because they are closer in time to today, or
because they are shorter?

But all the real action (getit?) is in the Spanish leagues these days.
True fans don't bother watching the Premiership, except maybe to cheer
against Man U., the Yankees of footy.

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Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Ryan Cousineau said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

David Millar is a good Scottish boy, not a nasty continental type. As
was detailed previously, only Episcopalians and Papists dope.

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

So his guilt depends on whether he supports rangers or celtic ?

Ryan Cousineau said:

But all the real action (getit?) is in the Spanish leagues these days.
True fans don't bother watching the Premiership, except maybe to cheer
against Man U., the Yankees of footy.

Ah but if he's a celtic supporter then he's a papist (and all scots papist
or otherwise would not be impressed to hear that their teams play in the
english premiership).

in message <[email hidden]>, Donald

Munro (') said:

Simon Brooke said:

He is clean by the doctrine of papal infallibility. It's all Bull.

Red bull ?

Ooh, you don't want to touch that stuff. It's performance enhancing.

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;; Voltaire RIP Dr David Kelly 1945-2004

Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He is clean by the doctrine of papal infallibility. It's all Bull.

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

Red bull ?

Simon Brooke said:

Ooh, you don't want to touch that stuff. It's performance enhancing.

Not at the moment. You can wash down a sudafed with 2 red bulls without
any worries, but if you did it a couple of years ago you'd have been one
of those dastardly evil doping cheats that the moralists around here would
like to burn at the stake.

Donald Munro said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Quoted message said:

>David Millar is a good Scottish boy, not a nasty continental type. As
>was detailed previously, only Episcopalians and Papists dope.

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

So his guilt depends on whether he supports rangers or celtic ?

Ryan Cousineau said:

But all the real action (getit?) is in the Spanish leagues these days.
True fans don't bother watching the Premiership, except maybe to cheer
against Man U., the Yankees of footy.

Ah but if he's a celtic supporter then he's a papist (and all scots papist
or otherwise would not be impressed to hear that their teams play in the
english premiership).

Hmph. In the late 80s and early 90s, Rangers and Celtic would have
liked nothing better than to play in the English leagues. They proposed
the initiative on several occasions.