Post-hill recovery?

Well first, I don't ride like that. i beat a tough hill the same way the
cooter beat the hare. I sneak up it, without the burn and recover what
little I did use so I can beat the next hill. And the next...

and the next.

the next...

and so on.

- -

"May you have the wind at your back.
And a really low gear for the hills!"

Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:34:42 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

How do you recover after beating a tough hill?

In your case, wait a couple of days. Do it again. A couple of more
days, then again.... In a few weeks you'll barely notice the hill 🙂

Sounds like you are simply not in shape for quick recovery from such
an effort. Go slow tomorrow. The more you push yourself like you did
today, the easier it will be the next time.

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I stood up. I even upshifted.

Then I huffed...

And I puffed...

And I KICKED THAT HILL'S ASS!

Which hill was that? One I know?

Last night, on what was supposed to be a short recovery ride, I came
across the URI Women's Rowing team running repeats up and back down
Torrey Rd. That gave me the bad idea to do the same thing on my bike,
so I did 2 rounds up and down it. I did want to see how my smaller
cassette would work, and it was ok; I could go up in the 30x21 if I
really pushed hard, but did most of it in the 30x23. I wouldn't want to
try that hill at the end of a long ride, though...

Quoted message said:

After cresting the hill, if there was any usable air in my lungs, I
would have screamed like Howard Dean. I scarcely had the ability to
stand. I stood there on somebody's lawn for 5 or 10 minutes while
the burn in my legs competed with the burn in my lungs.

A flat/slightly downhill mile later, a short, shallow ascent kicked
my ass. I stood halfway up a 40 foot (10 meter) long, barely up
hill, unable to go. I tried to go, and almost fell in a deep, paved
drainage ditch. I had to stand there for at least 5 minutes, for a
hill that I could roll a bowling ball up.

How do you recover after beating a tough hill?

Take a long flat to recover. It usually takes me 2 or 3 times as long
to recover as the climb was.

--
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Rick Onanian said:

How do you recover after beating a tough hill?

by forgetting to pedal and having my upper body thrust into the stem.
no freewheel, no freewheel. bad dave. bad dave. well, that hasn't
happened in years.
--
david reuteler
[email hidden]

Rick Onanian wrote:

{most excellent story snipped}

Quoted message said:

How do you recover after beating a tough hill?

Ambulance ride?

Going in small circles for 45 minutes?

Vomitting good for shaping abs?

Will let you know if I ever do?

Bill "sitter 'n a spinner" S.

Rick Onanian said:

I stood up. I even upshifted.

Then I huffed...

And I puffed...

And I KICKED THAT HILL'S ASS!

After cresting the hill, if there was any usable air in my lungs, I
would have screamed like Howard Dean. I scarcely had the ability to
stand. I stood there on somebody's lawn for 5 or 10 minutes while
the burn in my legs competed with the burn in my lungs.

A flat/slightly downhill mile later, a short, shallow ascent kicked
my ass. I stood halfway up a 40 foot (10 meter) long, barely up
hill, unable to go. I tried to go, and almost fell in a deep, paved
drainage ditch. I had to stand there for at least 5 minutes, for a
hill that I could roll a bowling ball up.

How do you recover after beating a tough hill?
--
Rick Onanian

I recover by heading to the nearest pub for a beer.

Pete

Rick Onanian said:

After cresting the hill, if there was any usable air in my lungs, I
would have screamed like Howard Dean....

A flat/slightly downhill mile later, a short, shallow ascent kicked
my ass....

How do you recover after beating a tough hill?

Well, the best thing to do is not blow your wad on the hill in the
first place. If you have decided to "pop the cork" on a hill, pick a
gear that lets you maintain a reasonable cadence. If you're forced
to stand the whole climb, you're going to cook your legs, and legs
take a lot longer to recover than lungs.

But assuming you've succumbed to the moment, and your legs are now
quivering masses of jello, the only thing you can do is slow down
and spin until they are ready to go again. Recovery can take several
minutes to a few days.

I do a lot of climbing and have to be very careful to avoid muscle
fatigue. 286,098 vertical ft. year-to-date, about 10,000' behind my
target. If my legs get cooked, I'll have to lay off the hills for a
few days and fall further behind my quota.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/

"Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

How do you recover after beating a tough hill?

Since it's springtime, I have been feeling obliged to take the tough hill on
the way home, rather than do the staircase of Eastgate Way, which is hard
enough, but has little flat bits to catch your breath on, before the next
climb.

There's a long light at the top, and it's there that I usually recover. I
shed whatever jacket I was wearing, slurp water, and wait for the green.

--
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Claire Petersky said:

and wait for the green.

is that like waiting for tunnel vision to go away? my visual artifacts are
gray not green. green might describe the vomit, tho.
--
david reuteler
[email hidden]

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:54:47 -0700, Terry Morse <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I do a lot of climbing and have to be very careful to avoid muscle
fatigue. 286,098 vertical ft. year-to-date, about 10,000' behind my
target. If my legs get cooked, I'll have to lay off the hills for a
few days and fall further behind my quota.

Wow Terry. I do about 400K/yr., but if you have done almost 300K so
far that puts you on track to do 900K or so for the year. Phew!
Bicycling had some stat that some twit claims to hold the record
for most climbing in a year at something like 415K or something.
Bunk if you ask me. Anyway, I guess the hip is doing OK this year.
How many times up Page Mill/week? How many miles so far
this year? I am nearing 200K on climbing, at just about 2500
miles. I try to keep things so I do 7000-8000 ft of climbing per
100 miles. Tomorrow I am going over to Felton to escort a
friend over to this side of the hill; will route to do 8000 ft or so
and 90-100 mile so close to average.

- rick 'climbing OLH and Page Mill once per week is the goal'

Quoted message said:

I do a lot of climbing and have to be very careful to avoid muscle
fatigue. 286,098 vertical ft. year-to-date, about 10,000' behind my
target. If my legs get cooked, I'll have to lay off the hills for a
few days and fall further behind my quota.

Dang Terry, people accuse me of doing nothing but climbing, but you're in a
whole different league! Of course, you probably put in *way* more miles
than I do. A word of advice- if you want to keep up the miles, don't go
into the retail bicycle business. It's tough to ride as much as you want
when you're working 80+ hours/week and trying to see what your family looks
like once in a while.

286,098 feet. Oh wait, that was nearly two hours ago... what are you up to
now?

Dang dang dang. I'll be very lucky if I hit 400,000 for the entire year.
You da man!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Terry Morse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Rick Onanian said:

After cresting the hill, if there was any usable air in my lungs, I
would have screamed like Howard Dean....

A flat/slightly downhill mile later, a short, shallow ascent kicked
my ass....

How do you recover after beating a tough hill?

Well, the best thing to do is not blow your wad on the hill in the
first place. If you have decided to "pop the cork" on a hill, pick a
gear that lets you maintain a reasonable cadence. If you're forced
to stand the whole climb, you're going to cook your legs, and legs
take a lot longer to recover than lungs.

But assuming you've succumbed to the moment, and your legs are now
quivering masses of jello, the only thing you can do is slow down
and spin until they are ready to go again. Recovery can take several
minutes to a few days.

I do a lot of climbing and have to be very careful to avoid muscle
fatigue. 286,098 vertical ft. year-to-date, about 10,000' behind my
target. If my legs get cooked, I'll have to lay off the hills for a
few days and fall further behind my quota.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/

Rick Onanian said:

I stood up. I even upshifted.

Then I huffed...

And I puffed...

And I KICKED THAT HILL'S ASS!

Oh oh. You've done it. Now you're addicted.

Quoted message said:

After cresting the hill, if there was any usable air in my lungs, I
would have screamed like Howard Dean. I scarcely had the ability to
stand. I stood there on somebody's lawn for 5 or 10 minutes while
the burn in my legs competed with the burn in my lungs.

A flat/slightly downhill mile later, a short, shallow ascent kicked
my ass. I stood halfway up a 40 foot (10 meter) long, barely up
hill, unable to go. I tried to go, and almost fell in a deep, paved
drainage ditch. I had to stand there for at least 5 minutes, for a
hill that I could roll a bowling ball up.

How do you recover after beating a tough hill?

I _don't_ stand there at the top. I roll on, spinning lightly. I think
it may help flush the lactic acid out of my muscles, or someting. But I
don't want to cool down.

And pacing is important. The only time I usually ride to absolute
exhaustion is at the end of a time trial. And I don't do those any more.

So I'd advise riding just a tad easier (say, one gear lower on that
particular hill) and keep moving.

But hey - Congratulations!

--
-------------+
Frank Krygowski [To reply, omit what's between "at" and "cc"]

Rick Onanian said:

I stood up. I even upshifted.

Then I huffed...

And I puffed...

And I KICKED THAT HILL'S ASS!

After cresting the hill, if there was any usable air in my lungs, I
would have screamed like Howard Dean. I scarcely had the ability to
stand. I stood there on somebody's lawn for 5 or 10 minutes while
the burn in my legs competed with the burn in my lungs.

A flat/slightly downhill mile later, a short, shallow ascent kicked
my ass. I stood halfway up a 40 foot (10 meter) long, barely up
hill, unable to go. I tried to go, and almost fell in a deep, paved
drainage ditch. I had to stand there for at least 5 minutes, for a
hill that I could roll a bowling ball up.

How do you recover after beating a tough hill?
--
Rick Onanian

Beat it, but don't beat so hard on it.
Bernie

Quoted message said:

I recover by heading to the nearest pub for a beer.

Pete

My kind of riding partner!

Rick Warner said:

Wow Terry. I do about 400K/yr., but if you have done almost 300K so
far that puts you on track to do 900K or so for the year. Phew!

Yeah, I'm shooting for 1M ft. for the year. I got a slow start in
January, so I need to pick it up in the dry months.

Quoted message said:

Bicycling had some stat that some twit claims to hold the record
for most climbing in a year at something like 415K or something.
Bunk if you ask me.

Somebody told me about that "record". What a joke. Several Western
Wheelers had more than that last year on group rides alone, myself
included. With one Wednesday ride and one Saturday ride weekly, one
can tally up about 500K.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, I guess the hip is doing OK this year.

Not bad at all, thanks. The ski trips left it a bit tender for a
week or so, but nothing to write a song about.

Quoted message said:

How many times up Page Mill/week?

Maybe only once or twice. I don't do Page Mill that often, since it
doesn't lead easily to another close-by hill. I like to do hill
combinations. Old La Honda, Kings, Alpine West is a nice set with
almost no flat miles in between.

Quoted message said:

How many miles so far this year?

3,723.

Quoted message said:

Tomorrow I am going over to Felton to escort a
friend over to this side of the hill; will route to do 8000 ft or so
and 90-100 mile so close to average.

Sounds nice, better than tomorrow's Primavera Century. Do you want
some company?
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Dang dang dang. I'll be very lucky if I hit 400,000 for the entire year.
You da man!

I'm sure you could still whip my tail in a contest of speed. It's
like they always say: if you can't go fast, go far.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymors.com/

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Dang dang dang. I'll be very lucky if I hit 400,000 for the entire

year.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You da man!

I'm sure you could still whip my tail in a contest of speed. It's
like they always say: if you can't go fast, go far.

Not so sure of that. I'm getting much better at longer distances, worse at
speed and absolute power. I used to worship the really steep sections, and
could often ride away from people a lot lighter. Not anymore! Last year
will have been the last time for me doing Sonora Pass on a 39/27.
Originally I'd assumed that meant I'd be on a triple, but with DuraAce 10
triple now scheduled for 2006, I'l probably go for an FSA compact with a
34/27. That ought to buy me a few years...

As usual, I'm scheduled for Sonora Pass on the last Sunday in June. Between
now and then I've got the Grizzly Peak century, but really nothing with
really nasty stuff. I'm thinking about doing Ebbetts as soon as it's open.
The clock is running; I'll be in France for the latter part of the TDF, at
during one four-day period, will possibly be climbing Alpe d'Huez each day
at the end of a ride (we'll be staying up at the top). I really enjoy that
climb, but we'll see what I think of it on days 3 & 4...

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:34:42 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

How do you recover after beating a tough hill?

By riding down the other side of it :-)

--
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Mike Jacoubowsky said:

As usual, I'm scheduled for Sonora Pass on the last Sunday in June. Between
now and then I've got the Grizzly Peak century, but really nothing with
really nasty stuff. I'm thinking about doing Ebbetts as soon as it's open.

Keep me in mind for the Sonora Ride, I'm pretty sure I can make it.
Ebbetts when it opens sounds like fun, too. I'm planning a Sierra
passes trip the weekend of June 12th, also. I want to see how many
passes I can cram into two days.

The Sequoia is Sunday, June 6th (when your shop is closed). The 200k
is going to be hilly. Preliminary estimates put it at 10,540 ft.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/