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  1. ~

    News article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 14, 2007

    Officially, it's called the Providence Bridge Pedal. But the annual bike
    ride over Portland's bridges earned a new name Sunday -- Providence
    Bridge Ped-debacle.

    Bottlenecks not only forced cyclists to walk their bikes along parts of
    the course, but also meant as many as 1,500 of the estimated record
    19,000 cyclists in the event were unable to complete the ride.
    Organizers barred them from crossing the Fremont Bridge and other spans
    as authorities sought to reopen them to vehicle traffic. Other cyclists,
    frustrated, left the course on their own.

    While event officials said they will consider capping the number of
    cyclists in future years, some riders said they won't be back.

    "I don't think anyone in my group will ever do it again," said Terri
    Taylor, who biked the Bridge Pedal, of which The Oregonian is a sponsor,
    for the first time with four friends. "It really was not fun."

    Cyclists were queued up, waiting and walking their bikes to cross the
    Ross Island Bridge and other spans. "There was an overall level of
    annoyance. It just turned into a bad vibe," she said.

    In its 12th year, the Bridge Pedal has had overcrowding problems in the
    past, said Rick Bauman, the event director. But organizers had never
    pulled 1,000 to 1,500 riders off the course. Event sponsors aren't
    planning to refund the $25 preregistration fees to those who were not
    allowed to complete the ride, he said.

    Proceeds from the fees go to expenses -- including $2,300 to Portland to
    help defray its estimated $25,000 in police overtime costs; and $26,000
    to cover the Oregon Department of Transportation's overtime costs -- and
    then to the Bicycle Transportation Alliance and Providence Heart and
    Vascular Institute. Bauman didn't have an estimate Monday on total
    proceeds from the event.

    One of the biggest glitches resulted from restricting cyclists to one
    lane on the Ross Island Bridge. Although the ride usually reserves only
    one of the four lanes, Bauman said, in past years cyclists have dodged
    the traffic cones and commandeered the second lane. To satisfy safety
    concerns of TriMet, ODOT and police, race organizers this year put up
    yellow tape along the lane, restricting cyclists to a single lane, he
    said.

    One lane wasn't enough, Bauman conceded, which organizers hadn't
    considered.

    "I just didn't see that coming," he said.
    Worse, it appeared that riders from all three routes -- the 10-bridge,
    eight-bridge and six-bridge options -- converged at the bridge around
    the same time, said Karla Keller, a maintenance manager for ODOT.

    Riders noted that the tape tore off in parts, fluttering into the lane
    and narrowing access even more.

    The result? Waits that some riders said lasted as long as an hour to
    move just several blocks.

    "It was kind of like being in rush hour traffic," said Jennifer Jones,
    who considered the congestion at this year's Bridge Pedal the worst of
    the 10 times she has participated. "That's why you ride a bike -- to
    avoid it."

    The long delay meant that Michael Comfort of Dundee, who was riding the
    route for the fourth time, and his 14-year-old and 20-year-old could not
    reach the highlight of their ride -- the Fremont Bridge -- before the
    11:30 a.m. cutoff. Even at other bridges, "by the time we went through
    everyone was pretty much closing up, nothing was going on up there," he
    said. "It was just disappointing."

    Police opened a second lane on the Ross Island Bridge around 10:15 a.m.,
    said Bauman, but it was too late for hundreds of riders to finish the
    course.

    "Was it unfortunate? Yes. But it's like a traffic jam on a freeway,"
    Bauman said. "Once it starts, it's very hard to fix it."

    Police wanted a hard deadline to reopen bridge traffic, Bauman said,
    another reason organizers had to clear the course.

    Riders also reported a lack of portable toilets in convenient locations
    and long lines. Bauman said he heard no complaints and that the ride had
    the same number of toilets as always.

    He added that there were three accidents that he knew of, and that the
    event was a safety success.

    It drew more than 20,000 participants, including about 1,000 people who
    walked a two-bridge course, up from 18,000 last year. Bauman said
    organizers and state and local authorities will meet to discuss ways to
    improve the event, and may consider a cap on participants.

    Bauman is personally against the idea, saying that he thinks it would
    create an "exclusiveness" that he doesn't like. And Jones, despite her
    annoyance that she was unable to complete the 10-bridge ride she signed
    up for, agreed that the ride should not be limited -- just better
    organized.

    "I was frustrated as anybody, but I think that there's ways to just make
    that better," she said. "Portland's such a bike-friendly city, I would
    hate to see that happen."

    ~

  2. On 14-Aug-2007, smacked up and reeling, [email hidden] (Paul Berg) blindly
    formulated
    the following incoherence:

    Quoted message said:

    Bottlenecks not only forced cyclists to walk their bikes along parts of
    the course, but also meant as many as 1,500 of the estimated record
    19,000 cyclists in the event were unable to complete the ride.
    Organizers barred them from crossing the Fremont Bridge and other spans
    as authorities sought to reopen them to vehicle traffic. Other cyclists,
    frustrated, left the course on their own.

    What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good riding, and
    it obviously screws up traffic.
    --
    "The accused will now make a bogus statement."
    James Joyce

  3. steve said:

    On 14-Aug-2007, smacked up and reeling, [email hidden] (Paul Berg) blindly
    formulated
    the following incoherence:

    Quoted message said:

    Bottlenecks not only forced cyclists to walk their bikes along parts of
    the course, but also meant as many as 1,500 of the estimated record
    19,000 cyclists in the event were unable to complete the ride.
    Organizers barred them from crossing the Fremont Bridge and other spans
    as authorities sought to reopen them to vehicle traffic. Other cyclists,
    frustrated, left the course on their own.

    What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good riding, and
    it obviously screws up traffic.

    Just for the sheer fun of doing it, apparently.

    My Datsun club does the same thing when it does a cruise or a tour.

  4. "steve" <[email hidden]> wrote...

    Quoted message said:


    What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good riding,
    and
    it obviously screws up traffic.

    I did a mass start for a century in Bellingham a week ago and I've never
    been around a squirellier bunch of riders.

  5. (Paul Berg) said:

    ~

    News article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 14, 2007

    Officially, it's called the Providence Bridge Pedal. But the annual bike
    ride over Portland's bridges earned a new name Sunday -- Providence
    Bridge Ped-debacle.

    Portland should to take lessons in ride management from the 5 Borough
    bike ride in NYC. Roadways and bridges traversed in early sections of
    the NYC ride are closed off to automobile traffic. It's only later in
    the ride when the line stretches out that bikes and cars share the
    same road. The only significant delay was getting that very long
    snake of 30,000 riders going. One steep bridge did have a slowdown as
    out of shape riders walked over. Done properly it can be fun riding
    with 30,000 of my closest cycling buddies.

    The NYC event is well organized throughout, with several well spaced
    break areas and sag wagons.

  6. "steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good riding,
    and
    it obviously screws up traffic.

    It's a fund-raiser. I have a friend who trains for it and then flies out
    from Virginia every year just for the ride.

    -c

  7. Gattman said:


    "steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good riding,
    and
    it obviously screws up traffic.

    It's a fund-raiser. I have a friend who trains for it and then flies out
    from Virginia every year just for the ride.

    Careful there, Chris. If you mention that you "have a friend" folks
    like the Three Monkeys will determine that you do not.

  8. Don Homuth dhomuthoneatcomcast.net said:
    steve said:

    On 14-Aug-2007, smacked up and reeling, [email hidden] (Paul Berg)
    blindly formulated
    the following incoherence:

    Quoted message said:

    Bottlenecks not only forced cyclists to walk their bikes along parts
    of the course, but also meant as many as 1,500 of the estimated
    record 19,000 cyclists in the event were unable to complete the
    ride. Organizers barred them from crossing the Fremont Bridge and
    other spans as authorities sought to reopen them to vehicle traffic.
    Other cyclists, frustrated, left the course on their own.

    What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good
    riding, and it obviously screws up traffic.

    Just for the sheer fun of doing it, apparently.

    My Datsun club does the same thing when it does a cruise or a tour.

    They disrupt regular traffic?

  9. Don Homuth dhomuthoneatcomcast.net said:
    Gattman said:


    "steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good
    riding, and
    it obviously screws up traffic.

    It's a fund-raiser. I have a friend who trains for it and then flies
    out from Virginia every year just for the ride.

    Careful there, Chris. If you mention that you "have a friend" folks
    like the Three Monkeys will determine that you do not.

    Notice that his friend was not a Transportation Expert who knew how to
    clean up the traffic jam? Didja?

  10. Lobby Dosser said:
    Don Homuth dhomuthoneatcomcast.net said:
    steve said:

    On 14-Aug-2007, smacked up and reeling, [email hidden] (Paul Berg)
    blindly formulated
    the following incoherence:

    > Bottlenecks not only forced cyclists to walk their bikes along parts
    > of the course, but also meant as many as 1,500 of the estimated
    > record 19,000 cyclists in the event were unable to complete the
    > ride. Organizers barred them from crossing the Fremont Bridge and
    > other spans as authorities sought to reopen them to vehicle traffic.
    > Other cyclists, frustrated, left the course on their own.

    What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good
    riding, and it obviously screws up traffic.

    Just for the sheer fun of doing it, apparently.

    My Datsun club does the same thing when it does a cruise or a tour.


    They disrupt regular traffic?

    Sometimes they have done exactly that, so I hear. A long column of a
    couple dozen Datsuns of various vintages can be pretty noticeable.

    Mine has been in the restoration shop long enough that I haven't gone
    on one of those, since I only actually Joined the club several months
    back.

    But if you check, you can even see pictures of the car
    pre-restoration.

  11. Lobby Dosser said:
    Don Homuth dhomuthoneatcomcast.net said:
    Gattman said:


    "steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    > What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good
    > riding, and
    > it obviously screws up traffic.

    It's a fund-raiser. I have a friend who trains for it and then flies
    out from Virginia every year just for the ride.

    Careful there, Chris. If you mention that you "have a friend" folks
    like the Three Monkeys will determine that you do not.


    Notice that his friend was not a Transportation Expert who knew how to
    clean up the traffic jam? Didja?

    I did notice that.

    But then, neither was mine.

  12. "John S." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    (Paul Berg) said:

    ~

    News article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 14, 2007

    Officially, it's called the Providence Bridge Pedal. But the annual bike
    ride over Portland's bridges earned a new name Sunday -- Providence
    Bridge Ped-debacle.

    Portland should to take lessons in ride management from the 5 Borough
    bike ride in NYC. Roadways and bridges traversed in early sections of
    the NYC ride are closed off to automobile traffic. It's only later in
    the ride when the line stretches out that bikes and cars share the
    same road. The only significant delay was getting that very long
    snake of 30,000 riders going. One steep bridge did have a slowdown as
    out of shape riders walked over. Done properly it can be fun riding
    with 30,000 of my closest cycling buddies.

    The NYC event is well organized throughout, with several well spaced
    break areas and sag wagons.

    For those unfamiliar with this venue Portland is a city built at the
    confluence of 2 rivers. To get anywhere you have to cross a bridge, usually
    one over the Willamette river which runs N-S.

    These bridges are always closed (at least partially) for this ride as it is
    not possible any other way.

    IMHO it is the greed of the organizers to maximize the funds raised that
    results in this chaos. It is clear to anyone who can think clearly that
    you must limit the number of riders especially as there are several choke
    points as the story described. At at least one you have to wait without
    moving for at an hour or more to get through.

    When I do this ride I will only start in the first group which leaves at
    6:30 (or maybe it's 7 am - didn't do it this year) thus avoiding all of the
    problems. The 20K riders lined up behind me are nuts to even try. It's a
    walk, not a ride if you're in the back.

    If you avoid the rush this way it is a very fun ride with parties and
    fabulous views of Portland from the freeway bridges. That is why people do
    it - you can't stop on the freeway bridges and hang out during rush hour.

  13. John S. said:
    (Paul Berg) said:

    ~

    News article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 14, 2007

    Officially, it's called the Providence Bridge Pedal. But the annual bike
    ride over Portland's bridges earned a new name Sunday -- Providence
    Bridge Ped-debacle.

    Portland should to take lessons in ride management from the 5 Borough
    bike ride in NYC. Roadways and bridges traversed in early sections of
    the NYC ride are closed off to automobile traffic. It's only later in
    the ride when the line stretches out that bikes and cars share the
    same road. The only significant delay was getting that very long
    snake of 30,000 riders going. One steep bridge did have a slowdown as
    out of shape riders walked over. Done properly it can be fun riding
    with 30,000 of my closest cycling buddies.

    The NYC event is well organized throughout, with several well spaced
    break areas and sag wagons.

    True, the 5bbr is very well run. NYC is nowhere near as bike friendly
    as Portland, but this ride is usually a pleasure. I've been doing it
    for the last 7 or 8 years and have a friend who has done it every year
    since it started.

    Getting the line moving is a problem, but it's almost automatic after
    that. We usually get to Astoria Park pretty early and there you have
    to wait 20 minutes or so until the second part begins, but everyone
    sits around and eats the free stuff and gets ready to move out, and
    then we move right along.

    I always feel really bad for the folks who are trapped in their cars
    on the Brooklyn Queens Expressway (BQE). Once they close that off,
    they just sit there for a few hours it seems. There really should be
    better signage warning folks not to get on.

  14. Don Homuth said:
    Lobby Dosser said:
    Don Homuth dhomuthoneatcomcast.net said:

    On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:48:42 GMT, "steve" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > On 14-Aug-2007, smacked up and reeling, [email hidden] (Paul Berg)
    > blindly formulated
    > the following incoherence:
    >
    >> Bottlenecks not only forced cyclists to walk their bikes along parts
    >> of the course, but also meant as many as 1,500 of the estimated
    >> record 19,000 cyclists in the event were unable to complete the
    >> ride. Organizers barred them from crossing the Fremont Bridge and
    >> other spans as authorities sought to reopen them to vehicle traffic.
    >> Other cyclists, frustrated, left the course on their own.
    > What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good
    > riding, and it obviously screws up traffic.
    Just for the sheer fun of doing it, apparently.

    My Datsun club does the same thing when it does a cruise or a tour.


    They disrupt regular traffic?

    Sometimes they have done exactly that, so I hear. A long column of a
    couple dozen Datsuns of various vintages can be pretty noticeable.

    Mine has been in the restoration shop long enough that I haven't gone
    on one of those, since I only actually Joined the club several months
    back.

    But if you check, you can even see pictures of the car
    pre-restoration.

    http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?page=4&t=17399

  15. On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:44:21 GMT, Royal Dalton <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Don Homuth said:
    Lobby Dosser said:

    Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:

    > On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:48:42 GMT, "steve" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >> On 14-Aug-2007, smacked up and reeling, [email hidden] (Paul Berg)
    >> blindly formulated
    >> the following incoherence:
    >>
    >>> Bottlenecks not only forced cyclists to walk their bikes along parts
    >>> of the course, but also meant as many as 1,500 of the estimated
    >>> record 19,000 cyclists in the event were unable to complete the
    >>> ride. Organizers barred them from crossing the Fremont Bridge and
    >>> other spans as authorities sought to reopen them to vehicle traffic.
    >>> Other cyclists, frustrated, left the course on their own.
    >> What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good
    >> riding, and it obviously screws up traffic.
    > Just for the sheer fun of doing it, apparently.
    >
    > My Datsun club does the same thing when it does a cruise or a tour.
    >
    They disrupt regular traffic?

    Sometimes they have done exactly that, so I hear. A long column of a
    couple dozen Datsuns of various vintages can be pretty noticeable.

    Mine has been in the restoration shop long enough that I haven't gone
    on one of those, since I only actually Joined the club several months
    back.

    But if you check, you can even see pictures of the car
    pre-restoration.

    http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?page=4&t=17399

    Nope.

    http://www.northwestz.org/members/handler.cfm?event=MemberProfileViewChanged&userId=3503C8E7-3048-2906-B43387A57222B78B&vehicleId=4B417605-3048-2906-B4AB17E14285BEF6

  16. Don Homuth said:

    On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:44:21 GMT, Royal Dalton <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Don Homuth said:

    On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:57:05 GMT, Lobby Dosser
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:48:42 GMT, "steve" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 14-Aug-2007, smacked up and reeling, [email hidden] (Paul Berg)
    >>> blindly formulated
    >>> the following incoherence:
    >>>
    >>>> Bottlenecks not only forced cyclists to walk their bikes along parts
    >>>> of the course, but also meant as many as 1,500 of the estimated
    >>>> record 19,000 cyclists in the event were unable to complete the
    >>>> ride. Organizers barred them from crossing the Fremont Bridge and
    >>>> other spans as authorities sought to reopen them to vehicle traffic.
    >>>> Other cyclists, frustrated, left the course on their own.
    >>> What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good
    >>> riding, and it obviously screws up traffic.
    >> Just for the sheer fun of doing it, apparently.
    >>
    >> My Datsun club does the same thing when it does a cruise or a tour.
    >>
    > They disrupt regular traffic?
    Sometimes they have done exactly that, so I hear. A long column of a
    couple dozen Datsuns of various vintages can be pretty noticeable.

    Mine has been in the restoration shop long enough that I haven't gone
    on one of those, since I only actually Joined the club several months
    back.

    But if you check, you can even see pictures of the car
    pre-restoration.


    http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?page=4&t=17399

    Nope.

    I like the blue one better.

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.northwestz.org/members/handler.cfm?event=MemberProfileViewChanged&userId=3503C8E7-3048-2906-B43387A57222B78B&vehicleId=4B417605-3048-2906-B4AB17E14285BEF6

  17. On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:04:39 GMT, Royal Dalton <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Don Homuth said:

    On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:44:21 GMT, Royal Dalton <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Don Homuth wrote:
    > On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:57:05 GMT, Lobby Dosser
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:48:42 GMT, "steve" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good
    >>>> riding, and it obviously screws up traffic.
    >>> Just for the sheer fun of doing it, apparently.
    >>>
    >>> My Datsun club does the same thing when it does a cruise or a tour.
    >>>
    >> They disrupt regular traffic?
    > Sometimes they have done exactly that, so I hear. A long column of a
    > couple dozen Datsuns of various vintages can be pretty noticeable.
    >
    > Mine has been in the restoration shop long enough that I haven't gone
    > on one of those, since I only actually Joined the club several months
    > back.
    >
    > But if you check, you can even see pictures of the car
    > pre-restoration.

    I like the blue one better.

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.northwestz.org/members/handler.cfm?event=MemberProfileViewChanged&userId=3503C8E7-3048-2906-B43387A57222B78B&vehicleId=4B417605-3048-2906-B4AB17E14285BEF6

    De gustibus, and all.

    Mine is still a work in progress.

    When it's done, I will like it. Whether or not someone else does will
    be immaterial.

  18. Jim Flom said:

    "steve" <[email hidden]> wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good riding,
    and
    it obviously screws up traffic.

    I did a mass start for a century in Bellingham a week ago and I've never
    been around a squirellier bunch of riders.

    Yep, when they get some experience they'll be Cat5s. It's why bike
    paths are scary too.
    Bill C

  19. Don Homuth said:

    On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:04:39 GMT, Royal Dalton <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Don Homuth said:

    On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:44:21 GMT, Royal Dalton <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    > Don Homuth wrote:
    >> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:57:05 GMT, Lobby Dosser
    >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:48:42 GMT, "steve" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> What is the point of these mass rides, anyway? It cant be good
    >>>>> riding, and it obviously screws up traffic.
    >>>> Just for the sheer fun of doing it, apparently.
    >>>>
    >>>> My Datsun club does the same thing when it does a cruise or a tour.
    >>>>
    >>> They disrupt regular traffic?
    >> Sometimes they have done exactly that, so I hear. A long column of a
    >> couple dozen Datsuns of various vintages can be pretty noticeable.
    >>
    >> Mine has been in the restoration shop long enough that I haven't gone
    >> on one of those, since I only actually Joined the club several months
    >> back.
    >>
    >> But if you check, you can even see pictures of the car
    >> pre-restoration.


    I like the blue one better.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.northwestz.org/members/handler.cfm?event=MemberProfileViewChanged&userId=3503C8E7-3048-2906-B43387A57222B78B&vehicleId=4B417605-3048-2906-B4AB17E14285BEF6

    De gustibus, and all.

    Mine is still a work in progress.

    When it's done, I will like it. Whether or not someone else does will
    be immaterial.

    I still like the blue one.

  20. Rocky said:

    "John S." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    (Paul Berg) said:

    ~

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    News article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 14, 2007

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Officially, it's called the Providence Bridge Pedal. But the annual bike
    ride over Portland's bridges earned a new name Sunday -- Providence
    Bridge Ped-debacle.

    Quoted message said:

    Portland should to take lessons in ride management from the 5 Borough
    bike ride in NYC. Roadways and bridges traversed in early sections of
    the NYC ride are closed off to automobile traffic. It's only later in
    the ride when the line stretches out that bikes and cars share the
    same road. The only significant delay was getting that very long
    snake of 30,000 riders going. One steep bridge did have a slowdown as
    out of shape riders walked over. Done properly it can be fun riding
    with 30,000 of my closest cycling buddies.

    Quoted message said:

    The NYC event is well organized throughout, with several well spaced
    break areas and sag wagons.

    For those unfamiliar with this venue Portland is a city built at the
    confluence of 2 rivers. To get anywhere you have to cross a bridge, usually
    one over the Willamette river which runs N-S.

    These bridges are always closed (at least partially) for this ride as it is
    not possible any other way.

    I understood that they were partially closed and riders had one lane.
    If that is the case then Portland has to decide whether they are going
    to manage this race properly or not. Full closure of the needed roads
    and bridges on a saturday is really the only way to move that many
    riders of widely verying skills. It may take a redesign of the course
    to encourage stretching out of the line as is done in NYC. Use of
    break points will also help stagger the load.

    Quoted message said:


    IMHO it is the greed of the organizers to maximize the funds raised that
    results in this chaos. It is clear to anyone who can think clearly that
    you must limit the number of riders especially as there are several choke
    points as the story described. At at least one you have to wait without
    moving for at an hour or more to get through.

    Since it is a benefit ride I doubt greed plays much into the
    decisions. I suspect that it is more the results of a volunteer
    organization taking on a big challenge. It really is not all that
    difficult to think through how to control and minimize choke points.
    NYC manages to do it very well with 32,000 riders this year.

    Quoted message said:


    When I do this ride I will only start in the first group which leaves at
    6:30 (or maybe it's 7 am - didn't do it this year) thus avoiding all of the
    problems. The 20K riders lined up behind me are nuts to even try. It's a
    walk, not a ride if you're in the back.

    If you avoid the rush this way it is a very fun ride with parties and
    fabulous views of Portland from the freeway bridges. That is why people do
    it - you can't stop on the freeway bridges and hang out during rush hour.- Hide quoted text -

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