Pope Benedict XVI

The Ranger said:

The Pope is here.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff
today by the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of
thousands of people cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has
chosen the name Benedict XVI, the Vatican announced. The announcement
came shortly after white smoke rose from the Vatican chimney and
bells rang to announce that a new pope had been selected.

The Ranger

Only one more predicted pope left; Peter the Roman. I've been trying to
tell my friends that this one was going to be a Benedict from the Benedict
sect, but no one believed me. Peter the Roman is purportedly the next and
last one after this Benedict according to St. Malachy who has correctly
predicted every pope in the Catholic Church history from back around 1138.

kili

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Quoted message said:

The Pope is here.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff today
by
the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of thousands of people
cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has chosen the name Benedict XVI,
the Vatican announced. The announcement came shortly after white smoke
rose
from the Vatican chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had
been
selected.

With any luck, they'll run out of the story of his life and views by the end
of
the week.

nancy

kilikini said:

Only one more predicted pope left; Peter the Roman. I've been trying to
tell my friends that this one was going to be a Benedict from the Benedict
sect, but no one believed me. Peter the Roman is purportedly the next and
last one after this Benedict according to St. Malachy who has correctly
predicted every pope in the Catholic Church history from back around 1138.

So, it couldn't possibly be the church has a copy of ol' Malachy's
predictions lying around somewhere's, could it?

nb

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The Pope is here.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff today
by
the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of thousands of people
cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has chosen the name Benedict XVI,
the Vatican announced. The announcement came shortly after white smoke
rose
from the Vatican chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had
been
selected.

The Ranger

Just what we need a German Pope - Lets hope he ain't a Jesuit too.

Dimitri

notbob said:

kilikini said:

Only one more predicted pope left; Peter the Roman. I've been
trying to tell my friends that this one was going to be a Benedict
from the Benedict sect, but no one believed me. Peter the Roman is
purportedly the next and last one after this Benedict according to
St. Malachy who has correctly predicted every pope in the Catholic
Church history from back around 1138.

So, it couldn't possibly be the church has a copy of ol' Malachy's
predictions lying around somewhere's, could it?

nb

Most likely is the case.

kili

notbob said:

kilikini said:

Only one more predicted pope left; Peter the Roman. I've been
trying to tell my friends that this one was going to be a Benedict
from the Benedict sect, but no one believed me. Peter the Roman
is purportedly the next and last one after this Benedict according
to St. Malachy who has correctly predicted every pope in the
Catholic Church history from back around 1138.

So, it couldn't possibly be the church has a copy of ol' Malachy's
predictions lying around somewhere's, could it?

nb

No, it's just more superstitious nonsense. The Malachy guy lived in
the twelfth century and made up a list of "symbolic" predictions of
future popes. You know, the standard technique of being so vague that
it could be stretched to fit whatever actually happens. For example,
Pius XII was "predicted" because Malachy wrote "Pastor angelicus" or
"Angelic Shepherd." This is "true" because Pius XII was thought to be
very mystical and was believed to have received visions. Whoop-te-doo.
Another one was "predicted" by Malachy's calling him something to do
with "marine," and he turned out to have served in Venice, home of the
gondolas. But wotthehell, if you're inclined to believe all the rest
of those ancient superstitions, why not this, too? -aem

Dimitri said:

"The Ranger" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

The Pope is here.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff
today by the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of
thousands of people cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has
chosen the name Benedict XVI, the Vatican announced. The
announcement came shortly after white smoke rose from the Vatican
chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had been
selected.

The Ranger

Just what we need a German Pope - Lets hope he ain't a Jesuit too.

Well, at least he'll get the trains to run on time.

Oh, wait...

Pastorio

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Just what we need a German Pope - Lets hope he ain't a Jesuit too.

Well, at least he'll get the trains to run on time.

Oh, wait...

Pastorio

LOL

Can we say the Gestapo of the church..

Dimitri

Dimitri said:

Can we say the Gestapo of the church..

One hopes not. He was in the [censored] Youth as a youngster, but we're
told he was forced into that involuntarily. And later when he was
inducted into the German army, he deserted -- or escaped, or however
you want to view it. -aem

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Dimitri said:

Can we say the Gestapo of the church..

One hopes not. He was in the [censored] Youth as a youngster, but we're
told he was forced into that involuntarily. And later when he was
inducted into the German army, he deserted -- or escaped, or however
you want to view it. -aem

Actually the point is the Jesuits - usually highly educated but somewhat
inflexible. (Rigid)

;-)

Dimitri

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Actually the point is the Jesuits - usually highly educated but somewhat
inflexible. (Rigid)

Funny, I was under the impression that they were more lenient,
but ... really, I don't know. Perhaps because they were the only
priests who would cooperate with a rabbi in my ex-bil's wedding.

nancy

Dimitri said:

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Dimitri said:

Can we say the Gestapo of the church..

One hopes not. He was in the [censored] Youth as a youngster, but

we're

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told he was forced into that involuntarily. And later when he was
inducted into the German army, he deserted -- or escaped, or

however

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you want to view it. -aem

Actually the point is the Jesuits - usually highly educated but

somewhat

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inflexible. (Rigid)

;-)

Dimitri

That fits - Benedict XVI is known to be ultra-conservative (I'd call
that rigid).

A friend says, "After John-Paul, why not 'George-Ringo?'" At least a
George-Ringo might be more liberal (IOW, just conservative, not
ultra-conservative). (A Pope's name is indicative of his adherence to
the tenets of the faith. I'm not Catholic, so I was hoping for someone
more aware of the real world. I guess it won't be this one.)

N.

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the tenets of the faith. I'm not Catholic, so I was hoping for someone
more aware of the real world. I guess it won't be this one.)

I'm not either, but it seems quite obvious the new Pope is an
arch-conservative. Of the Church, he says:

"We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not
recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal
one's own ego and one's own desires."

From what I've heard so far, the Catholic church is headed backwards
instead of forwards. He's against women priests, it's the media's
fault we hear so much about pedophile priests, and I don't see much
hope for any kind of realistic birth control for the world's Catholic
population. It would appear the Church's approach is, if ya' can't
beat 'em, out breed 'em.

nb

Bob (this one) said:

Dimitri said:

"The Ranger" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

The Pope is here.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff
today by the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of
thousands of people cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has
chosen the name Benedict XVI, the Vatican announced. The
announcement came shortly after white smoke rose from the Vatican
chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had been selected.

The Ranger

Just what we need a German Pope - Lets hope he ain't a Jesuit too.

Well, at least he'll get the trains to run on time.

Oh, wait...

Pastorio

I thought that was the Italians.

Bob

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From what I've heard so far, the Catholic church is headed backwards
instead of forwards. He's against women priests, it's the media's
fault we hear so much about pedophile priests, and I don't see much
hope for any kind of realistic birth control for the world's Catholic
population. It would appear the Church's approach is, if ya' can't
beat 'em, out breed 'em.

Why is it that non-Catholics (and Catholics who don't attend church
or actually believe in the doctrines of their church) care so much about
the direction of the Roman Catholic church?

Regards,
Ranee (not a Roman Catholic, not concerned either way who the pope
was going to be)

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ndooley said:

A friend says, "After John-Paul, why not 'George-Ringo?'"

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

Forgive me, I'm having a hard time posting with the new computer. I
wanted to quote Dimitri's and Nancy's posts.

I was raised Catholic but lost the faith at maybe around age thirteen.
The last mass I attended was last June, and I still didn't get
anything back from the past. And, I would actually prefer the Latin
mass, rather than some of these lame songs that are sung at mass now.

Somehow, I ended up working at a Jesuit college and got free tuition
there, so had sorted of lived in that milieu from work and classes for
some years. I would never call the Jesuits rigid. The ones I knew
were well-traveled, well-read and all had a sense of humor. I got the
impression that the Jesuits were of a more intellectual branch of the
church.

When I was on staff at the college, there would be an annual barbecue
where the professors and Jebbies would çook us a meal. They always
served wine and beer, and this, during a work day.

No recipe, but a joke, badly-told.

This Catholic couple were worried about how their son would choose his
vocation in life. One night, the parents left some things on the
table: a bible, a bottle of whiskey and a pile of money. The next
morning, they were all missing. The father said, I fear he will become
a Jesuit. It actually rings true to me, knowing those guys.

Ranee Mueller said:

Why is it that non-Catholics (and Catholics who don't attend
church or actually believe in the doctrines of their church) care so
much about the direction of the Roman Catholic church?

1. Matters Roman have saturated the media for a number of days now.
People tend to talk about whatever is before them.

2. Speaking only for myself, for many years I have found what William
James called "the will to believe" fascinating. The impulse is so
strong that it leads vast numbers of people into trying as hard as they
can to believe things that are obviously untrue, let alone those things
that cannot be observed or tested. (I'm not talking here just about
the Roman church, obviously.) The permutations and combinations are
endlessly entertaining to me, from the pointy hats they wear in Rome to
the south sea islanders who worship the airplane god, to the Roswell
conspiracy theorists, to fad dieters, etc. without end.

3. It might actually matter who the Pope is and what he tells his
followers to believe. For example, if he says only Roman Catholics can
go to heaven and everyone else will perish, then those folks will be
arrayed directly against the radical fundamentalists of Islam. That
caused a rather important series of conflicts a few centuries ago, and
now the weapons at their disposal are a lot more powerful.

Ranee Mueller said:

Why is it that non-Catholics (and Catholics who don't attend church
or actually believe in the doctrines of their church) care so much about
the direction of the Roman Catholic church?

It was just about two weeks ago that JP II died and people were talking
about how great he was, and that he should be canonized. Within 20 minutes
of the selection of the new pope I heard scathing criticisms of JP II.
According to his detractors, the only good thing he did was to travel. They
claimed that he centralized too much of the power of the church and
disenfranchises the dioceses, contrary to Catholic doctrine. Go figger.

It was interesting to see a line up of the popeful hopefuls in the newspaper
today. The columnists had a list of the top 10 candidates complete with
names pictures, age, assets and weaknesses. Oddly, Uncle Ben was not among
the top 10.