Poor Floyd

routebear said:

I do not agree. He will have won because he is the strongest.

"Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yeah, it sucks for all those guys who finally got caught with their
hands in the cookie jar, but I feel the worst for Floyd. I've
maintained for some time now that he's my favorite for the Tour, and
now that most of his major competitors won't be in the race, he's an
even stronger favorite. But, if he wins now, his victory will be
forever tainted by the scandal, as folks will say he only won because
so and so (insert your favorite, Basso, Ullrich, whomever) wasn't
there.

D'uh, sounds like you DO agree with me. I've always thought of Floyd
as the favorite, but I fear that some (not you or me) will discount the
victory of whomever wins this year's Tour.

Of course, it should be noted that in large part the favorites were
only favorites based on their dope-enhanced results.

In article <[email hidden]>,

billyroll said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Landis is from good Mennonite stock. As we can see from the list of
names above, only Papists dope.

I wondered why we hadn't seen Ken around here lately. Must be keeping a
low profile to avoid prosecution.

-B

PelOton.

Oh wait, wrong spelling correction,

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"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

In article <[email hidden]>,

RicodJour said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Tuschinski wrote:
> Scott wrote:
>
> > Somehow I can't see Floyd caught up in this, but under the
> > circumstances even that seems like a silly comment.
> >
>
> Phonak:
>
> GC contender
>
> #1 Botero -> Blood dope
>
> next they tried
>
> #2 Hamilton ->Blood dope
>
> We go on
>
> #3 Santi Perez -> Blood Dope
>
> And we go on
>
> #4 Guttierez -> Blood Dope
>
> You seriously doubt that Landis is dirty? He would be Phonaks FIRST GC
> cointender without dope. And what to think of someone who stays in that
> team... they all doped behind Landis back? I hope you aren't that
> naive.

Landis came from the clean postal system.

Landis is from good Mennonite stock. As we can see from the list of
names above, only Papists and Episcopalians* dope. With Lance, he being
not religious, it's a question of whether he follows Ayn Rand in theory
(keeps promises) or in practice (cheats flagrantly on one's spouse).

*I can't back that up, but if Hamilton isn't an Episcopalian name, I
don't know what is.

Since I'm a devout Catholic, I now have to go to confession,

Don't forget to flagellate well. 😉

No no: I'm married, and flagellation is strictly forbidden in any case.

Don't believe everything you see in a movie starring Tom Hanks and
Audrey Tatou,

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"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

in 510317 20060630 175118 said:

Quoted message said:

You seriously doubt that Landis is dirty? He would be Phonaks FIRST GC
cointender without dope. And what to think of someone who stays in that
team... they all doped behind Landis back? I hope you aren't that
naive.

Landis came from the clean postal system.

Thanks for that - I needed a good laugh.

in message <[email hidden]>,

Gunsberg (') said:

bwcox said:

Where do you find a list of who is on the team rosters that is upto
date?

This gets better and better...

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/tour2006/news/articles/9970.0.html

Updated 2006 Team Rosters
This report filed June 30, 2006
Editor's Note:Changes in the rosters of several Tour de France teams
reflect exclusions due to the Operación Puerto investigation report
released late Thursday. Directors of all Tour de France teams voted not
to allow those riders to be replaced.

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Team CSC

Ivan Basso (I)

Errmm...

Quoted message said:

T-Mobile

Jan Ullrich (G)

Ah....

Quoted message said:

Oscar Sevilla (Sp)

Uhmm....

Quoted message said:

Ag2r

Francisco Mancebo (Sp)

H'mmm...

Quoted message said:

Rabobank

Juan Antonio Flecha (Spa)

Watch this space...

Quoted message said:

Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears

Alejandro Valverde (Sp)

/Was/ treated by Fuente, allegedly, but not recently, allegedly. Watch
this space...

Quoted message said:

Saunier Duval

David Millar (GB)

Did dope, but has served his time.

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Scott said:

Tuschinski wrote:
The question of my naivete aside, I think it's entirely possible that
these riders could've doped without Landis being involved/aware. It's
not like they live in a dorm together,

Much of the time they do. Also, these doping programs demand full time
attentions. you cant say *I just dope in the off season*, you need to
be taking in at various intervals. The Fuentes scheme exist of using
Epo along with blood dope... and the various hormones as well.

An example:stated by Marc lotz (a dope user from the innocent Quickstep
formation) That epo remains undetectable if you only use it to maintain
your Hematocrit... you can use tiny amounts.

Quoted message said:

or hang out when they're not
racing.

Considering some key-blood transfusion times for Phonak were in
multiple-stage tours it's incredible to believe that the team didn't
know. It goes beyond any stretch of the imagination if at least the
team doctors didn't see anything fishy.

Quoted message said:

Top level cyclists have their own doctors and trainers, so
it's entirely feasible that individuals can engage in questionable
behaviors without their teammates knowing about it, or participating in
the behavior if they do know about it.

Again: the team doctors would notice and getting a transfusion in the
Dauphine (Hamilton+Perez) without ANYONE noticing is quite simply
impossible. This implies that the team structure is rotten to the core.

Now we have Floyd, riding in a more than likely rotten team:

Phonak is a team on wich all prior (and some rather recent!) GC
contenders all were into the same dope.

1. Why does someone join a team like that?
2. Is Landis so blind not to notice anything funny?
3. Would the team all of a sudden go: Well Landis is so strong, let's
not dope him for a change.

Mark my words: We will see more coming from Phonak, it's one of the
dirtiest teams around.

These pushers need to be stopped. Not to hurt Floyd, but to get him
away from these criminals.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Since I'm a devout Catholic, I now have to go to confession,

Don't forget to flagellate well. 😉

But only until you need glasses...

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routebear said:

I do not agree. He will have won because he is the strongest.

"Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Yeah, it sucks for all those guys who finally got caught with their
hands in the cookie jar, but I feel the worst for Floyd. I've
maintained for some time now that he's my favorite for the Tour, and
now that most of his major competitors won't be in the race, he's an
even stronger favorite. But, if he wins now, his victory will be
forever tainted by the scandal, as folks will say he only won because
so and so (insert your favorite, Basso, Ullrich, whomever) wasn't
there.

D'uh, sounds like you DO agree with me. I've always thought of Floyd
as the favorite, but I fear that some (not you or me) will discount the
victory of whomever wins this year's Tour.

Of course, it should be noted that in large part the favorites were
only favorites based on their dope-enhanced results.

I do not know where we agree, but IF Landis wins, it will be because he IS
the strongest, not because Ullrich and Basso were out. I don't think many
will think otherwise.