Police fining cyclists for what?

[Roger Merriman]

Richie <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Feb 7, 8:54 pm, Don Whybrow <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Mr R@t (2.30zi) wrote:
> >
> > > Probably just a routine stopcheck..
> >
> > Can they just do that? I thought that they needed an excuse^W^Wa reason.
> >
> > --
> > Don Whybrow
> >
> > Sequi Bonum Non Time
> >
> > "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the
> > legislature is in session." (Judge Gideon J. Tucker, 1866.)
>
>
> Stop checks are usually conducted on those people who are known to
> police or who are acting in a suspicious manner.Stop checks often
> lead
> to the arrest of a wanted person.

sorry thats simply not true,or at least the only reasons. they stop
people who fit stero types or at some times just to see who's there.

as a young man i was stopped many times, driving bog standurd family
car, but on the weekend so obously i would be drunk or up to no good...
the best was 4 times on what should of been a 15 min journey.

until very recently i was a postie and you'd get stopped, as driving
early morning. even got asked by one very unobservant pod what job i
had, think i'm wearing a big red flourescent jacket with royal mail
enblazoned all over it....

most of the posties would get stopped going to work, it is one of the
hazards of working that early.

> At the end of the day the police
> have a job to do and yes sometimes it does inconvenience completely
> innocent people. There many occasions were the public put their 'oar
> in' because they perceive that the police are not acting in a
> professional manner or not acting lawfully. Most of these people
> don't
> have a clue because they simpy don't know all of the circumstances
> surrounding a particular incident or know of the powers in which the
> police operate. There are a 101 reasons why this cyclist was speaking
> with the police officer and no one but the cyclist, the police
> officer, God and whoever they choose to speak to about it
> will know.
>
i'm sure police are suposed to do stop checks they way you say but my
experance is that doesn't happen that way.

> Richie

 

[Paul Boyd]

Richie said the following on 08/02/2007 21:52:

> Stop checks are usually conducted on those people who are known to
> police or who are acting in a suspicious manner.

I used to be stopped regularly in my car for no apparent reason in my
younger days (not that long ago). In fact, I got to the point of
driving around completely random roads to see how long it would take the
copper following me to actually pull me over. To this day I carry all
my documents with me because I got fed up with being given producers and
having to traipse up to the nick as if I was a criminal. I even had my
car searched for drugs once! Perhaps driving at 30mph in a 30 limit
counts as acting in a suspicious manner, because nothing else I was
doing was suspicious.

Growing up as a teenager in Easton/St Pauls, Bristol, we would always be
being stopped to ask what we were doing. "Er, sitting in the park,
officer" or "Walking - what does it look like?". If you were black, you
would also get stopped for being black, although of course that would
*never* happen now, would it? Again, does sitting in a park or walking
down the street count as acting in a suspicious manner?

So, it's just as well you used the word "usually", although I would have
used the word "sometimes"

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

 

[Tony Raven]

Paul Boyd wrote on 12/02/2007 08:37 +0100:
>
> I used to be stopped regularly in my car for no apparent reason in my
> younger days (not that long ago). In fact, I got to the point of
> driving around completely random roads to see how long it would take the
> copper following me to actually pull me over.

A friend has a Porsche and a beat up mini. He is always being stopped
in the latter and never in the former.

--
Tony

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[Dan Gregory]

Paul Boyd wrote:

> Growing up as a teenager in Easton/St Pauls, Bristol, we would always be
> being stopped to ask what we were doing. "Er, sitting in the park,
> officer" or "Walking - what does it look like?". If you were black, you
> would also get stopped for being black, although of course that would
> *never* happen now, would it? Again, does sitting in a park or walking
> down the street count as acting in a suspicious manner?

I used to regularly walk from the theatre (well Renato's) to Montpelier
in the early hours and I was never stopped as I walked up Stokes Croft &
Picton Street or Ashley Road. Almost every night though I would see
black people being stopped & questioned.
:-((

 

[Ian Smith]

On Mon, 12 Feb, Paul Boyd <usenet.dont.work@plusnet> wrote:
> Richie said the following on 08/02/2007 21:52:
>
> > Stop checks are usually conducted on those people who are known to
> > police or who are acting in a suspicious manner.
>
> I used to be stopped regularly in my car for no apparent reason in my
> younger days (not that long ago).

For some reason I always get stopped by security at airports. About
50% of the time it's just to be frisked, but quite often I get a bag
search too. It happens on domestic and international flights. I have
no idea why - I'm white, middle class, respectably presented (normally
in a suit, occasionally casual clothes).

I've even tried 'jinxing' the process by telling whoever I'm
travelling with that I always get stopped (by saying that, you see, it
should guarantee that I get through no problem) and still I get
stopped. In fact last time I tried the anti-jinx I got an even more
thorough than normal bag-search with everything taken out and laid out
on the counter, some stuff going into an explosives sniffer and the
bag itself subject to study and another x-ray.

Why?

regards, Ian SMith
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[TimB]

On Feb 12, 1:11 pm, Ian Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> For some reason I always get stopped by security at airports. < snip > Why?

Perhaps because your namesake of Rhodesian fame is still on some kind
of No Fly list?

 

[Mark Thompson]

> security [...] airports [...] frisked [...] bag search [...] domestic and
international flights [...] explosives

> Why [do I get stopped by security]?

Going by your posts here I can't see any reason for it. Got a link to a
photo so we can comment on your t3rR*r15t/smuggler looks?

Alternatively, it could be something dodgy that comes up when they scan
your passport...

 

[Alan Holmes]

"Paul Boyd" <usenet.dont.work@plusnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Richie said the following on 08/02/2007 21:52:
>
>> Stop checks are usually conducted on those people who are known to
>> police or who are acting in a suspicious manner.
>
> I used to be stopped regularly in my car for no apparent reason in my
> younger days (not that long ago).

Some/many years ago I got lost in London, and I tried to find a bobby who I
could ask the way, not a sign of one anywhere, so I found a one way street
and cycled up it the wrong way, within a few seconds there was a bobby
telling me off, but I did get the information I wanted!

Alan

 

[Creature]

On 12 Feb 2007 13:11:02 GMT, Ian Smith wrote:
> For some reason I always get stopped by security at airports. About
> 50% of the time it's just to be frisked, but quite often I get a bag
> search too.

I once brought a thorough search upon myself on my way back from Paris on
the Eurostar. I was tired and tetchy, it was late, and there was some guy
dawdling in front of me walking incredibly slowly. I found myself stuck
behind him, waving my hands around at him and silently mouthing
obscenities.

Of course, looking angry and impatient when going through customs is not a
great idea. The (French) customs officer completely ignored my attempts to
speak with him in his native tongue and insisted on English. We opened up
everything in my bag, opened my wallet, and he asked me every question
twice.

"Do you have anything illegal in your bag, sir?"
"No."
"Are you sure?"
etc.

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[[email protected]]

On 9 Feb, 11:15, "Richie" <[email protected]> wrote:

but unless it's been brought to your
> attention that you've committed an offence you are not obliged to
> provide any information. In other words you can tell the officer to
> 'get on his bike',

In Scotland at least the police can require you to provide your name
and adress if they think you are a witness to a crime.
Throughout the UK as soon as you drive a motor vehicle on road the
police can stop you to check your documents without needing any
reason.
Iain

 

[[email protected]]

On 12 Feb, 09:02, Tony Raven <[email protected]> wrote:

> A friend has a Porsche and a beat up mini. He is always being stopped
> in the latter and never in the former.


Presumably older beat up cars are stopped more often for routine
checks as it tends to be drivers of bangers who are not insured/taxed
rather than drivers of newer cars.
Iain