Police fining cyclists for what?



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KevinS

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Hi all,

Walking to work this morning, along Aldersgat St near the Barbican in
London, I was amazed to see a policeman on a push bike apparently
fining a cyclist (the cyclist was handing over his credit card so I
assume he was being fined).

Is this happening alot? If so what for?

Cheers
 
KevinS said the following on 06/02/2007 09:35:

> Walking to work this morning, along Aldersgat St near the Barbican in
> London, I was amazed to see a policeman on a push bike apparently
> fining a cyclist (the cyclist was handing over his credit card so I
> assume he was being fined).

There is no way on this earth I would hand over a credit card to anyone
in those circumstances, even if they were dressed as a copper!

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
 
On Feb 6, 10:35 am, "KevinS" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Walking to work this morning, along Aldersgat St near the Barbican in
> London, I was amazed to see a policeman on a push bike apparently
> fining a cyclist (the cyclist was handing over his credit card so I
> assume he was being fined).

I didn't think we had such thing as on-the-spot fines of that nature
in this country. Perhaps he was requesting a form of identification,
or the cyclist was handing over a lost card he had found?

Neil
 
KevinS wrote:
> Walking to work this morning, along Aldersgat St near the Barbican in
> London, I was amazed to see a policeman on a push bike apparently
> fining a cyclist (the cyclist was handing over his credit card so I
> assume he was being fined).
>
> Is this happening alot? If so what for?

The City of London Police can and do issue "spot fines" (FPNs) for
pavement cycling, RLJ, and cycling without lights,but my understanding
is that "spot" means they're issued on the spot, not that you have to
pay them on the spot - you get 14 days or whatever it is to come up with
the cash.


-dan

--
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On 6 Feb 2007 01:35:21 -0800, "KevinS" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Walking to work this morning, along Aldersgat St near the Barbican in
>London, I was amazed to see a policeman on a push bike apparently
>fining a cyclist (the cyclist was handing over his credit card so I
>assume he was being fined).
>
>Is this happening alot? If so what for?

happens when a person (such as a cyclist) does something considered
wrong in the city .... doesn't happen when an institution such as a
bank does something in the city a person would be consider wrong
 
On Feb 6, 10:20 am, Daniel Barlow <[email protected]> wrote:
> The City of London Police can and do issue "spot fines" (FPNs) for
> pavement cycling, RLJ, and cycling without lights,but my understanding
> is that "spot" means they're issued on the spot, not that you have to
> pay them on the spot - you get 14 days or whatever it is to come up with
> the cash.

If he was being fined then he could have been using his card to prove
the details he was giving were correct. Can you elect to pay a fine
on the spot? I've heard that police march people to cash machines in
some cases to pay fines but I don't think the police would carry chip
& pin machines with them to take card payments!

peter
 
"naked_draughtsman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> If he was being fined then he could have been using his card to prove
> the details he was giving were correct. Can you elect to pay a fine
> on the spot? I've heard that police march people to cash machines in
> some cases to pay fines but I don't think the police would carry chip
> & pin machines with them to take card payments!

They would certainly not have any powers to "march someone to a cash
machine" !

cheers adrian www.boliston.co.uk
 
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:51:10 -0000, "Adrian Boliston" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"naked_draughtsman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> If he was being fined then he could have been using his card to prove
>> the details he was giving were correct. Can you elect to pay a fine
>> on the spot? I've heard that police march people to cash machines in
>> some cases to pay fines but I don't think the police would carry chip
>> & pin machines with them to take card payments!
>
>They would certainly not have any powers to "march someone to a cash
>machine" !

That was one of tBlair's madcap schemes.

It was ruled out the moment someone with two brain cells had looked at it.
 
KevinS wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Walking to work this morning, along Aldersgat St near the Barbican in
> London, I was amazed to see a policeman on a push bike apparently
> fining a cyclist (the cyclist was handing over his credit card so I
> assume he was being fined).
>


IME cops don't carry the machines to collect the money anyway; its usually
at some part of the Magistrates Court where you have to pay off fines if you
are unlucky enough to get one.

Probably just a routine stopcheck..

It is not uncommon for cops to ask for some form of identification and as
most UK citizens don't carry ID cards, they will often inspect other cards
in your wallet - on the presumption that comparatively few people are daft
or brazen enough to produce a blatantly fake or stolen bank card...

Alex

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Mr R@T / General Lighting
Ipswich, Suffolk, Untied Kingdom
http://www.partyvibe.com
 
Mr R@t (2.30zi) wrote:
>
> Probably just a routine stopcheck..
>

Can they just do that? I thought that they needed an excuse^W^Wa reason.

--
Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the
legislature is in session." (Judge Gideon J. Tucker, 1866.)
 
In article <[email protected]>, Don Whybrow
[email protected] says...
> Mr R@t (2.30zi) wrote:
> >
> > Probably just a routine stopcheck..
> >
>
> Can they just do that? I thought that they needed an excuse^W^Wa reason.
>
>
It's often not hard to find a reason.
 
In news:[email protected],
Rob Morley <[email protected]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
> In article <[email protected]>, Don Whybrow
> [email protected] says...
>> Mr R@t (2.30zi) wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably just a routine stopcheck..
>>>
>>
>> Can they just do that? I thought that they needed an excuse^W^Wa
>> reason.
>>
>>
> It's often not hard to find a reason.

Loitering with intent to use a pedestrian crossing
Wearing a loud-coloured shirt in a built-up area
Having an offensive wife
Etc.
</NTNOCN>

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
They came for Dani Behr; I said: "she's over there, behind the
wardrobe".
 
On 2007-02-08 08:19:04 +0000, "Dave Larrington"
<[email protected]> said:

> In news:[email protected],
> Rob Morley <[email protected]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Don Whybrow
>> [email protected] says...
>>> Mr R@t (2.30zi) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Probably just a routine stopcheck..
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can they just do that? I thought that they needed an excuse^W^Wa
>>> reason.
>>>
>>>
>> It's often not hard to find a reason.
>
> Loitering with intent to use a pedestrian crossing
> Wearing a loud-coloured shirt in a built-up area
> Having an offensive wife
> Etc.
> </NTNOCN>

Maybe the police officer was actually a themed prostitute and was charging
for services rendered.
--
Three wheels good, two wheels ok

www.catrike.co.uk
 
In article <[email protected]>, Dave Larrington
[email protected] says...
> In news:[email protected],
> Rob Morley <[email protected]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
> > In article <[email protected]>, Don Whybrow
> > [email protected] says...
> >> Mr R@t (2.30zi) wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Probably just a routine stopcheck..
> >>>
> >>
> >> Can they just do that? I thought that they needed an excuse^W^Wa
> >> reason.
> >>
> >>
> > It's often not hard to find a reason.
>
> Loitering with intent to use a pedestrian crossing
> Wearing a loud-coloured shirt in a built-up area
> Having an offensive wife
> Etc.
> </NTNOCN>
>
>
I thought of that too. :)
 
On Feb 7, 8:54 pm, Don Whybrow <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mr R@t (2.30zi) wrote:
>
> > Probably just a routine stopcheck..
>
> Can they just do that? I thought that they needed an excuse^W^Wa reason.
>
> --
> Don Whybrow
>
> Sequi Bonum Non Time
>
> "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the
> legislature is in session." (Judge Gideon J. Tucker, 1866.)


Stop checks are usually conducted on those people who are known to
police or who are acting in a suspicious manner.Stop checks often
lead
to the arrest of a wanted person. At the end of the day the police
have a job to do and yes sometimes it does inconvenience completely
innocent people. There many occasions were the public put their 'oar
in' because they perceive that the police are not acting in a
professional manner or not acting lawfully. Most of these people
don't
have a clue because they simpy don't know all of the circumstances
surrounding a particular incident or know of the powers in which the
police operate. There are a 101 reasons why this cyclist was speaking
with the police officer and no one but the cyclist, the police
officer, God and whoever they choose to speak to about it
will know.

Richie
 
Richie said the following on 08/02/2007 21:52:

> Stop checks are usually conducted on those people who are known to
> police or who are acting in a suspicious manner.Stop checks often
> lead

What did the SAS laws from the 1970s immediately spring to mind just then?

Actually, I've just seen that the law still exists, although I suppose
you can't be stopped on suspicion of walking with intent to get to your
destination any more.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
 
On Feb 9, 8:03 am, Paul Boyd <usenet.dont.work@plusnet> wrote:
> Richie said the following on 08/02/2007 21:52:
>
> > Stop checks are usually conducted on those people who are known to
> > police or who are acting in a suspicious manner.Stop checks often
> > lead
>
> What did the SAS laws from the 1970s immediately spring to mind just then?
>
> Actually, I've just seen that the law still exists, although I suppose
> you can't be stopped on suspicion of walking with intent to get to your
> destination any more.
>
> --
> Paul Boydhttp://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

There are no real grounds required for a stop check; i.e name, DOB,
address. Police may ask for your details and run them through the
police national computer etc, but unless it's been brought to your
attention that you've committed an offence you are not obliged to
provide any information. In other words you can tell the officer to
'get on his bike', as he has no power in law to detain you. But to be
fair the police don't usually ask for someones details unless they
have good reason to.
A stop search is different. Reasonable grounds are required. A stop
search is used to allay or confirm whether or not an offence has been
committed. For example a person in the street explains to a police
officer that a man sat on a bench across the road has been seen waving
a lock knife around. The man would be searched by the police officer.
If the knife was found it is likely that he would be arrested. If a
knife was not found he would be free to go. The process is designed to
reduce the number of innocent people spending time in police custody
for no apparent reason.

Richie
 
On Feb 9, 6:15 am, "Richie" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 8:03 am, Paul Boyd <usenet.dont.work@plusnet> wrote:
>
> > Richie said the following on 08/02/2007 21:52:
>
> > > Stop checks are usually conducted on those people who are known to
> > > police or who are acting in a suspicious manner.Stop checks often
> > > lead
>
> > What did the SAS laws from the 1970s immediately spring to mind just then?
>
> > Actually, I've just seen that the law still exists, although I suppose
> > you can't be stopped on suspicion of walking with intent to get to your
> > destination any more.
>
> > --
> > Paul Boydhttp://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
>
> There are no real grounds required for a stop check; i.e name, DOB,
> address. Police may ask for your details and run them through the
> police national computer etc, but unless it's been brought to your
> attention that you've committed an offence you are not obliged to
> provide any information. In other words you can tell the officer to
> 'get on his bike', as he has no power in law to detain you. But to be
> fair the police don't usually ask for someones details unless they
> have good reason to.
> A stop search is different. Reasonable grounds are required. A stop
> search is used to allay or confirm whether or not an offence has been
> committed. For example a person in the street explains to a police
> officer that a man sat on a bench across the road has been seen waving
> a lock knife around. The man would be searched by the police officer.
> If the knife was found it is likely that he would be arrested. If a
> knife was not found he would be free to go. The process is designed to
> reduce the number of innocent people spending time in police custody
> for no apparent reason.
>
> Richie

I was stopped and searched once, walking home at 1am from a job bar-
tenders job. I was dressed in a white shirt and black trousers, in the
summer time, and had a small rucksack with me for my shoes. A Police
car pulled up along side of me as I was looking in a shop window and
asked what was I doing out so late, in the Town Centre. I explained.
They got out of there vehicle and requested to search my bag, and a
pat down of myself. I agreed. They said it was because they'd been
some crime in the area.
 
On 9 Feb 2007 06:13:44 -0800,
[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 6:15 am, "Richie" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Feb 9, 8:03 am, Paul Boyd <usenet.dont.work@plusnet> wrote:
>>
>> > Richie said the following on 08/02/2007 21:52:
>>
>> > > Stop checks are usually conducted on those people who are known to
>> > > police or who are acting in a suspicious manner.Stop checks often
>> > > lead
>>
>> > What did the SAS laws from the 1970s immediately spring to mind just then?
>>
>> > Actually, I've just seen that the law still exists, although I suppose
>> > you can't be stopped on suspicion of walking with intent to get to your
>> > destination any more.
>>
>> A stop search is different. Reasonable grounds are required.
>
> I was stopped and searched once, walking home at 1am from a job bar-
> tenders job. I was dressed in a white shirt and black trousers, in the
> summer time, and had a small rucksack with me for my shoes. A Police
> car pulled up along side of me as I was looking in a shop window and
> asked what was I doing out so late, in the Town Centre. I explained.
> They got out of there vehicle and requested to search my bag, and a
> pat down of myself. I agreed. They said it was because they'd been
> some crime in the area.

It doesn't matter because you agreed but I don't think that that is
a sufficient reason, especially after you had been cooperative and
mentioned why you were walking through town late at night, unless the
crime had been people breaking shop-windows late at night. They should
tell you what exactly they are looking for and why they chose you in
particular as well as their name and station.

--
Andy Leighton => [email protected]
"The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
- Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_
 
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